Del 667 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said: He links up well with morelos, he just needs to play in the centre, not this wide right pish According to the manager hes not playing wide right... Its the same set up and system as the end of last season when we had Arfield Kent and Defoe upfront and when asked about pushing Arfield out wide Gerrard said he hadnt done that. I think the idea is that Arfield plays inside, leaving space for Tav to get forward and although both were poor yesterday Arfield was never in a wide midifield position taking on the fullback or putting crosses in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,494 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Del said: According to the manager hes not playing wide right... Its the same set up and system as the end of last season when we had Arfield Kent and Defoe upfront and when asked about pushing Arfield out wide Gerrard said he hadnt done that. I think the idea is that Arfield plays inside, leaving space for Tav to get forward and although both were poor yesterday Arfield was never in a wide midifield position taking on the fullback or putting crosses in. Well it then becomes a lopsided formation, you allow the opposition left back free reign on that side until one of your actual centre mids comes out to face him, ryan jack is fucking excellent in the middle of the park, yet in previous games he's always going out wide to cover for the fact we dont have a wide right player, it then leaves a gaping hole where jack was in the middle and this season it has cost us goals The tarrier first goal, if we had a proper right mid, tav isnt that high up the park and goldson has an easier pass, yes he fucked the pass but his options were limited because we have one person on the right and 4 in the middle, all covered by tarrier players And the high pressing, mistake forcing game goes right out the window because the opposition always have a free player to pass to who can walk it 20 yards or more up the park, We badly miss candieas wide right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Well it then becomes a lopsided formation, you allow the opposition left back free reign on that side until one of your actual centre mids comes out to face him, ryan jack is fucking excellent in the middle of the park, yet in previous games he's always going out wide to cover for the fact we dont have a wide right player, it then leaves a gaping hole where jack was in the middle and this season it has cost us goals The tarrier first goal, if we had a proper right mid, tav isnt that high up the park and goldson has an easier pass, yes he fucked the pass but his options were limited because we have one person on the right and 4 in the middle, all covered by tarrier players And the high pressing, mistake forcing game goes right out the window because the opposition always have a free player to pass to who can walk it 20 yards or more up the park, We badly miss candieas wide right Such is modern day football! The days of a solid formation or teams attacking in their formation are gone, defensively teams will get into a shape and Jack is excellent at covering the right side when Tav goes forward, which btw isnt an accident, its something we have set out to do, but we missed that yesterday as Kamara/Aribo just never done that. Look at the Liverpool Man Utd game at the weekend and the positioning of Robertson and Alexander Arnold, I dont think they were in their "official position" for more than 20% of the match and when they have the ball they arent defenders any more. I wonder how many Liverpool fans arent happy about leaving a lopsided formation or being exposed at the back... You have mentioned Candeias in your post, like a lot of other people have, but we almost set a new record at the end of last season (of winning all post split fixtures) whilst playing our best football in the games Candeias wasnt involved in! Ironically the only game we lost was when Tav never played, Flanagan was at RB and Candeias was back in the team. The difference between then and now isnt the formation but lack of form, back then we had an on fire Ryan Kent on the other side and if you watch those matches back, even just the highlights or goals, you can see we spread teams as we attacked down both flanks and centrally, but yesterday our only attacking outlet came from the right hand side. In my opinion we dont miss Candeias we miss any sort of threat on the left hand side, although Barasic has been playing well Ojo is horrific and the sooner Kent is match fit again the better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronzy 26,126 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 How can he miss Candeias, he never ever beat a man imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,712 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Candeias gets more overrated every day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Del said: According to the manager hes not playing wide right... Its the same set up and system as the end of last season when we had Arfield Kent and Defoe upfront and when asked about pushing Arfield out wide Gerrard said he hadnt done that. I think the idea is that Arfield plays inside, leaving space for Tav to get forward and although both were poor yesterday Arfield was never in a wide midifield position taking on the fullback or putting crosses in. If Arfield is playing more centrally as an attacking midfielder he’s failing miserably at it. The guy isn’t scoring or creating goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Smile said: Works better with Defoe cant link up with Morelos as well, Morelos had the touch of a rapist yesterday which did not help. His touch before and then for his goal was no bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Redwhiteandblue said: His touch before and then for his goal was no bad. His goal was good, but his touch was awful yesterday and a lot of moves broke down when the ball was fed too him, has to really work on his first touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,494 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Del said: Such is modern day football! The days of a solid formation or teams attacking in their formation are gone, defensively teams will get into a shape and Jack is excellent at covering the right side when Tav goes forward, which btw isnt an accident, its something we have set out to do, but we missed that yesterday as Kamara/Aribo just never done that. Look at the Liverpool Man Utd game at the weekend and the positioning of Robertson and Alexander Arnold, I dont think they were in their "official position" for more than 20% of the match and when they have the ball they arent defenders any more. I wonder how many Liverpool fans arent happy about leaving a lopsided formation or being exposed at the back... You have mentioned Candeias in your post, like a lot of other people have, but we almost set a new record at the end of last season (of winning all post split fixtures) whilst playing our best football in the games Candeias wasnt involved in! Ironically the only game we lost was when Tav never played, Flanagan was at RB and Candeias was back in the team. The difference between then and now isnt the formation but lack of form, back then we had an on fire Ryan Kent on the other side and if you watch those matches back, even just the highlights or goals, you can see we spread teams as we attacked down both flanks and centrally, but yesterday our only attacking outlet came from the right hand side. In my opinion we dont miss Candeias we miss any sort of threat on the left hand side, although Barasic has been playing well Ojo is horrific and the sooner Kent is match fit again the better! If you wanna count the post split fixtures as gospel then we dont need morelos clearly 🙄 Fact is without a genuine right sided player we lose the ability to stretch the opposition down their left, and it gives them an easy outball so the pressing is pointless, you say jack is excellent at covering for tav, i say why should he drop out of position when he's the best centre mid we have, why do we have guys filling in different positions when they dont have to, they arent world class like the liverpool team, If we want to persist with the 451 then imo we need a proper right mid to push their fullback backwards and press him when he got the ball, the currenr formation made the tarrier fullbacks look good against us for starters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boybluesy 3,693 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Arfield hasn't kicked a ball for us for some time now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said: If you wanna count the post split fixtures as gospel then we dont need morelos clearly 🙄 Fact is without a genuine right sided player we lose the ability to stretch the opposition down their left, and it gives them an easy outball so the pressing is pointless, you say jack is excellent at covering for tav, i say why should he drop out of position when he's the best centre mid we have, why do we have guys filling in different positions when they dont have to, they arent world class like the liverpool team, If we want to persist with the 451 then imo we need a proper right mid to push their fullback backwards and press him when he got the ball, the currenr formation made the tarrier fullbacks look good against us for starters No one is counting them as gospel but given its been our best spell of form and also against the toughest opponents in our league, I would say they need to be the benchmark! As for the rest of your post...jesus suffering! Fact accounts for nothing in your post never mind the part you claim to be Fact..if you want a Fact(s) then this is an apt one...we scored more goals from attacks on our right hand side than any other position last season...our RB was the top assister in the SPFL...we have never played 4-5-1 under Gerrard...the current formation that made "tarrier fullbacks look good" is also the same formation that enabled us to beat them twice... The Fact is that despite us being top of the league for a couple of weeks and beating teams, some of them by a big margin, a number of players within the squad have been playing pretty poorly and yesterday it came to a head when even the Manager questioned their attitude. You can play any number of formations or have players play in a certain manner or in a particular role, but if they are in poor form, injured or just knackered, then no formation is going to help! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 hours ago, Smile said: His goal was good, but his touch was awful yesterday and a lot of moves broke down when the ball was fed too him, has to really work on his first touch. Wouldn't say he needs to "really" work on his his first touch. Generally its been pretty good, defo up there with anyone at our club. Mauve even the best, but I agree, bad the goal he was pretty honking for the best part of the game. Possibly a little jaded from not getting much service during the 150mins or whatever it was he played during the national break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Arfield got little of a summer break and international breaks he is off with Canada. It's a long season and we have a big squad so why not just give him a couple of weeks holiday. Give him time to recharge his batteries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStruthBear 125 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 21/10/2019 at 09:47, Jimbeamjunior said: He links up well with morelos, he just needs to play in the centre, not this wide right pish This. Stick Arfield where Aribo has supposed to have been playing, and he'll start chipping in with goals and assists again like he was before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Captained the Canadian team who beat the yanks mid week a game like that is bound to leave its mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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