gogzy 31,195 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: More or less what you said. But what the 2 of us reckon they should be sold for and what the club who regularly under sell our players are very different. Since DK and co took over, who have we undersold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Robertson has said previously we would be looking for 20m plus (he compared figured to that of a sold scum player). I'd say Morelos stock has risen since then. Gerrard says we wont sell him in Jan. Whatever we get for him will be incredible profit on 1m spend. Theres no getting away from it. Positive stuff, unless you say hes worth 50m and complain if we only get half that of course. Pedro failed but shouldn't have been backed. Is that what you're suggesting? Which scottish club hasn't made mistakes in managerial appointments? Loans were converted into shares. Revenue was up. Theres 2 for you. There's positive stuff all round the club if not blinded by negativity. He said 18 mill. I would suggest someone should’ve said hold on a minute when his list of target players was handed over and maybe it was a good idea to employ the DOF before the head coach. Revenue was up but the loss more or less stayed the same. What happens when we can’t convert anymore loans into shares or the loan money drys up, oh that’s right we are going to find players like Mo every season and sell them for 30mill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, gogzy said: Since DK and co took over, who have we undersold? We haven’t sold anyone that is going to generate the levels of money to bridge the yearly losses. So you believe the club going way back up to today have been on top of their game when it comes to the transfer market, we haven’t wasted any money on players and had to pay off duds we can’t shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,610 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: He said 18 mill. I would suggest someone should’ve said hold on a minute when his list of target players was handed over and maybe it was a good idea to employ the DOF before the head coach. Revenue was up but the loss more or less stayed the same. What happens when we can’t convert anymore loans into shares or the loan money drys up, oh that’s right we are going to find players like Mo every season and sell them for 30mill. Ffs mate he said he valued him at least the same as Dembele, who was sold for a reported 19.7m I've not once said everything is 100% rosey. But you appear to not want to acknowledge any positivity in terms of squad value potential, youth potential coming through, our ability to develop players to benefit financially, our capitalising on sales potential, any aspect of our financial performance. I'll leave you to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Ffs mate he said he valued him at least the same as Dembele, who was sold for a reported 19.7m I've not once said everything is 100% rosey. But you appear to not want to acknowledge any positivity in terms of squad value potential, youth potential coming through, our ability to develop players to benefit financially, our capitalising on sales potential, any aspect of our financial performance. I'll leave you to it. This Is pointless mate we are going round in circles. The Board don’t have a bottomless pit of money and we won’t be breaking even anytime soon. So unless they manage to go against decades of a trend and actually do find develop and sell players for a good load of profit then eventually we will have to cut our cloth accordingly. If you disagree with that then you have blinkers on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said: We haven’t sold anyone that is going to generate the levels of money to bridge the yearly losses. So you believe the club going way back up to today have been on top of their game when it comes to the transfer market, we haven’t wasted any money on players and had to pay off duds we can’t shift. That's not what I said at all. I simply asked who we had undersold under these owners. In reply to your point that the club always undersells. If anything this board have proved the opposite. A board that undersold would have almost certainly took 11m from the chinese when we got offered it. We will have to wait and see what happens when we actually start selling our bigger assets. I don't get the feeling that we are in a hurry to sell anyone for less than we value them right now. As for the top of their game in the transfer market, we picked up morelos for 1m, tav for 250k, Kamara for 50k etc. I would say this board have done pretty damn well in the transfer market over the last couple of season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, gogzy said: That's not what I said at all. I simply asked who we had undersold under these owners. In reply to your point that the club always undersells. If anything this board have proved the opposite. A board that undersold would have almost certainly took 11m from the chinese when we got offered it. We will have to wait and see what happens when we actually start selling our bigger assets. I don't get the feeling that we are in a hurry to sell anyone for less than we value them right now. As for the top of their game in the transfer market, we picked up morelos for 1m, tav for 250k, Kamara for 50k etc. I would say this board have done pretty damn well in the transfer market over the last couple of season. What have we recouped from the Pedro shambles??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: What have we recouped from the Pedro shambles??? Pride, Players worth some money, league places, Euro nights, potential, possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: The CDM Danilo is an outstanding player. Certainly is, grumpy fucker as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, gogzy said: Pride, Players worth some money, league places, Euro nights, potential, possibility. 😂😂 Good one mate, mind you Buff when he goes should cover that clusterfuck. Pity he’s needed to balance the books instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: 😂😂 Good one mate, mind you Buff when he goes should cover that clusterfuck. Pity he’s needed to balance the books instead. You disagree with any of those things? I think all of that has returned since they took over. Yes Selling Morelos will balance the books, and help us bring in a few more players, just like when we sold boumsong. Buy low, let them improve and then sell for a profit seems to be our new model. We don't need to sell just yet as the board seem happy enough to fund any shortfall. We will sell though that I am certain of. We have some good players who IMO are worth some decent money on our books. So if we need a cash injection we can sell a player. What else would you suggest? We can't live within our means and still challenge for the league and in Europe, we don't have the income so the transfer market will have to pick up the slack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robmc1 4,741 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, EatDolphins said: Seen something somewhere that suggested the kent fee was closer to 4mil. Can't remember where. Just log in to any celtic forum and ask, they all seem to be financially astute when it comes to our finances... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robmc1 4,741 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, gogzy said: What else would you suggest? We can't live within our means and still challenge for the league and in Europe, we don't have the income so the transfer market will have to pick up the slack. I think the reputation we are rapidly re acquiring under SG, both domestically and especially in Europe may make it possible to attract an improved quality of up and coming player going forward. Like you say, building players profile and moving them for decent profit on at a time that suits is definitely the model to adopt... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, gogzy said: You disagree with any of those things? I think all of that has returned since they took over. Yes Selling Morelos will balance the books, and help us bring in a few more players, just like when we sold boumsong. Buy low, let them improve and then sell for a profit seems to be our new model. We don't need to sell just yet as the board seem happy enough to fund any shortfall. We will sell though that I am certain of. We have some good players who IMO are worth some decent money on our books. So if we need a cash injection we can sell a player. What else would you suggest? We can't live within our means and still challenge for the league and in Europe, we don't have the income so the transfer market will have to pick up the slack. A few more players plus wipe out a 10mill shortfall. You sure your not my wife she thinks money stretches forever. 😃😃 That all sounds great mate, but I have no confidence in the club being able to carry that out, so yes we find ourselves in a Catch22 we need to spend to stay in Europe but we need to sell to fund the club. Maybe with the right people on the Board and better Exc management but so far apart from the guy just installed as head of commercial we look far below the level required. Maybe I’m just worrying for nothing and we get the balance right, only time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chosen_One 48 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Jack, Tav and Morelos for £1.5m and loads of their career left is insane. Jack or Tav on their own surely worth atleast 4 times that (probably more), then there's Alfredo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 10 hours ago, AljayBoy said: Almost feel guilty for only handing over £50k for Kamara. Almost... Aye... he’s certainly looking the player we signed back in January again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,805 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Some of the signings McGregor Free Tavernier £200k Goldson £2.9 m Helander £3 m Barisic £1.5m Kamara £50k Davis Free Jack Free Barker £100k Morelos £1m Kent £7m ( I read somewhere it was £4m plus possible add-ons) Total £15.75 (or £12.75m +) Katic £1.5m Hastie £350k Aribo £300k Edmundson £650k Stewart Free Jones Free Total cost £2.8m Grezda £1.5m Murphy £750k Total cost £2.25m Estimated sell-on value of these players is open to much speculation and debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbscotty12 3,558 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 12 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: I’m not basing it on just last night, he looks awful. If it’s match fitness then why is he not involved in league games? He had a very good game in the away leg fs your acting like he’s Jerome rothen levels of shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelydan1690 20,228 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Some of the signings McGregor Free Tavernier £200k Goldson £2.9 m Helander £3 m Barisic £1.5m Kamara £50k Davis Free Jack Free Barker £100k Morelos £1m Kent £7m ( I read somewhere it was £4m plus possible add-ons) Total £15.75 (or £12.75m +) Katic £1.5m Hastie £350k Aribo £300k Edmundson £650k Stewart Free Jones Free Total cost £2.8m Grezda £1.5m Murphy £750k Total cost £2.25m Estimated sell-on value of these players is open to much speculation and debate. In great place imo ,a few players if they had to leave is big money ,but fuck me big buff 1m wow honestly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Robmc1 said: I think the reputation we are rapidly re acquiring under SG, both domestically and especially in Europe may make it possible to attract an improved quality of up and coming player going forward. Like you say, building players profile and moving them for decent profit on at a time that suits is definitely the model to adopt... Good players attract good players, it has been an under the radar slow burner but our secret is out in the public now every single last one of us know what we are and all the positivity after years of being booted from pillar to post with bad news/lies whatever is quite pleasant, it sort of puts the value of the dealings in the transfer market as highlighted above when you see EPL teams signing players for 40m plus who are pretty shite and would struggle to break into our first 11. That might change a bit now that Lampard who has had his hand forced by the transfer ban to play some youth players who would never previously have got a sniff ( why take a risk on a kid when we can buy the finished article for ££ name your silly number), if there was no transfer ban Lampard would not have the job and some foreign manager would be in there throwing 100's of millions of pounds around because they can. I am delighted with the way our club is heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanFerguson2013 396 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 The varying values placed on players are just unbelievable at times. Look at the report today where Liverpool can't afford Kylian Mbappé. The AGM is coming soon so it's a good time to bring up such issues. Me, I'm going to complain about no healthy food options at Ibrox. The wrap had bacon and cheese so I couldn't eat that so I ended up with a steak pie which was very tasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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