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1 minute ago, BlueKnight87 said:

Come on mate. They have collapsed 2 years on the bounce. Look at the 11 tonight.  9 of those players were here last season. Don't tell me Gerrard has only just learned about their attitude and mentality after the new year. 

You are saying they have 100m players to pull them out a hole.  Look purley at our league. We have a spent more money outside of the taigs and still we can't consistently put away teams like aberdeen and kilmarnock. 

Yip agree, but the cup final performance and winning at parkhead musta made gerrard feel as if the team were mentally up to it.

Yip thats why am saying we shouldnt have to change formation etc.. our players should be good enough to win these games but have no confidence to get on the ball and make it happen.

 

I cant blame Gerrard for this happening.

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Laughable thread really. What we gonna do in year 10 of their tainted 10 in a row season, hope someone new can come in and rip it all up and start again and have instant success? Steven Gerrard i

There's been enough progress to warrant sticking with the guy, he's done some great things. He needs to sort out what's gone wrong since the break though, he should have learned from last season but u

Locked into the Liverpool system...for which you need a specific type of player for.  Once teams have got it sussed, and you're players aren't of the quality to raise the bar further, then you have to

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Yep, if it isn’t then it should be!!

Tactically inept and doesn’t “manage” games well when we’re up against it, waits far to long to make substitutions when players are spent! 

plan a fails, do it better???
Nope we need several plans, remember wee dick playing tugay as a sweeper at Monaco in the CL? We won 1-0 and played them off the park by surprising them probably!! 
 

He needs to rethink this summmer as our formation domestically is shite. We usually win most games here because our players are generally better footballers not because of his tactical naus.

Im worried he’s just another warburton with a famous face/name!

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The answer to the OP question is: Yes, his job should be on the line.    I like Gerrard as a person and for the way he handles the media but the bottom line is it is all about winning.   He has an assistant and God knows how many other back-room staff but when it comes down to the end result, it just isn't happening.   Tonight's result wasn't all down to the team or the management as the refereeing was abysmal but the stark reality is that we looked lacking in ideas for long spells and previous games were exactly the same.  Leadership on and off the park is seriously lacking.

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The start that the filth have made to the 2nd half of the season was always going to mean that the league was going to be a big ask, and that is without us shooting ourselves in the foot like we have.

We really needed them to drop a few good points in January and February for us to stand a chance, even if we had won all our games since the restart from the winter break it was always going to be a long chalk on us winning it.

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I genuinely think we have the best coaches in Michael Beale and the team. I think Gerrard is great as a face for the club. He brings a certain value by being there and puts us on the map more globaly.

However, the fact remains he is an untested manager whos previous experience is at under 18 level. We also have Gary Mac as no.2 with again, little experience despite being a 'likeable guy'. 

Gerrard has proved me wrong as i though when we got him it was a mistake hmand he was too risky. He has achieved decent things in his time here but i fear he has taken us as far as he can. 

Big problem is, getting someone in who in 1 season can stop them. Thats what it has come down to. People laugh when Walter is suggested but i genuinely think that is the only man i would take IF we got rid of Gerrard as he knows how to win and has done it with lesser players at his helm.

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39 minutes ago, Nk89 said:

As soons as he is booked for diving he shoulda been subbed! More interested in winning penalties that scoring! What the fuck is he doing!

I haven't read the whole thread but assume this post is about Morelos.  He was booked for diving when the TV proved that a Killie player  actually pulled his arm.   He was later fouled in the penalty area again in front of Beaton  as shown on TV but didn't get the decision.  He scored a goal incorrectly disallowed for minimal contact.   The Killie player Dicker should have had a second yellow for simulation when there was no contact whatsoever.  There were a lot of things wrong tonight but Morelos is far down the list for blame in this instance.  Rangers were poor but Beaton was awful (yet again).

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Won’t win anything with Gerrard.  Sorry but I’ve seen enough. His post match interview was the final  nail for me. Lennon would be snarling and spitting at the cameras in disgust at the decisions. Gerrard says it wasn’t a handball for killies equaliser (agreed across the board it was) and just sounds totally defeated and resigned to second best. Totally uninspiring, no wonder the players look mentally weak .

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1 minute ago, kirkiebear said:

Won’t win anything with Gerrard.  Sorry but I’ve seen enough. His post match interview was the final  nail for me. Lennon would be snarling and spitting at the cameras in disgust at the decisions. Gerrard says it wasn’t a handball for killies equaliser (agreed across the board it was) and just sounds totally defeated and resigned to second best. Totally uninspiring, no wonder the players look mentally weak .

He's mentally weak remember he shat himself when he practically signed for Chelsea, until the Liverpool mafia had a word with him

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2 minutes ago, kirkiebear said:

Won’t win anything with Gerrard.  Sorry but I’ve seen enough. His post match interview was the final  nail for me. Lennon would be snarling and spitting at the cameras in disgust at the decisions. Gerrard says it wasn’t a handball for killies equaliser (agreed across the board it was) and just sounds totally defeated and resigned to second best. Totally uninspiring, no wonder the players look mentally weak .

... and he NEVER gets done for it. Gerrard says something and we get fined, which leads me to believe that Rangers hands are tied because of the 5 way agreement.

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15 minutes ago, Nk89 said:

Yip agree, but the cup final performance and winning at parkhead musta made gerrard feel as if the team were mentally up to it.

Yip thats why am saying we shouldnt have to change formation etc.. our players should be good enough to win these games but have no confidence to get on the ball and make it happen.

 

I cant blame Gerrard for this happening.

If he's judging the teams mentality on two games vs the taigs he deserves the criticism

He should be judging over the course of a season. This is a side that couldn't hold onto top spot in the league for one game and then throw away points before the break to hearts and Aberdeen.  

As for formation yes we should have the ability to change the formation and approach. Even the best teams with money spent can switch things up when their normal approach isn't working on the day. You can't just expect the same thing to work all the time that's pure naivety 

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1 hour ago, Ivybank said:

I think somebody put up last week he signed 24 players when you looked at the list on 3 or 4 were decent ffs

Not sure if this list is actually 100% correct but I believe they were all signed under SG.

Murphy        fail

Arfield           not bad but not great

McGregor          Success

Ejaria                   Fail

Katic                      Success but needs mentoring

Goldson                Too erratic for me

Flanagan          fail

Coulibaly           fail

Sadiq                     fail

Kent                       fail

Barisic                   Success

Lafferty                  fail

Worral                   fail

Grezda                   fail

Defoe                      Success if used correctly

Davis                       Success but age is telling in my opinion

Polster                    Not impressed

Firth                         No idea about him

McAuley              fail

Jones                      Fail so far

Hastie                    Not had a chance

Stewart                  Not had enough of a chance but I would give him more time

Ojo                            fail

Edmundson          Partial success but needs mentoring

Aribo                        Partial success but needs mentoring

Helander                I'm not impressed at all.  Looks far too slow for me.

Barker                      Abject fail.

King                           fail and no idea why we signed him

Hagi                            Promising but too early to tell

Kamberi                    Not had a chance as yet.

Obviously these are my opinions and no doubt others will vary.    

 

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Plain and simple he needs to go. Doesn’t learn from his mistakes and insistence on playing the same shite tactics week after week is just ridiculous 

How a world class midfielder in his day can’t see that our 3 in midfield gets overrun every week and is our weakness is just baffling. Morelos and Kent are badly out of form but they need support and service from midfield and it’s just simply not there . 

we badly need to invest in strong, physical midfielders who won’t take any shite and win the battle. A switch to 451 is what’s needed in this league and we need a manager who isn’t scared to make changes when things are not going our way. 

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The answer to the opening post is no his job shouldn't be on the line.  

The fact of the matter is we have a squad of average players. Nothing more.  We have a great keeper and a few players who could become very good players(Morelos and Kent and a few others) 

Gerrard has improved us certainly.  We are in the last 32 of the Europa League and may win the Scottish Cup. 

Too many fans seem to forget the money that is required to bring in great players. Mid table teams in the English Championship regularly spend 8 to 12 million on players.

So this is the reality of the level we are at! 

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44 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said:

I haven't read the whole thread but assume this post is about Morelos.  He was booked for diving when the TV proved that a Killie player  actually pulled his arm.   He was later fouled in the penalty area again in front of Beaton  as shown on TV but didn't get the decision.  He scored a goal incorrectly disallowed for minimal contact.   The Killie player Dicker should have had a second yellow for simulation when there was no contact whatsoever.  There were a lot of things wrong tonight but Morelos is far down the list for blame in this instance.  Rangers were poor but Beaton was awful (yet again).

Sorry mate but none of the ‘fouls’ on Morelos were penalties.

He has to stay on his feet. If he’s brought down that’s a different matter. But he wasn’t. Nor was he impeded. 

He is currently making the wrong decisions and it’s harming us.

on another note there was fuck all wrong with his goal that was chalked off

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2 minutes ago, gersfc86 said:

The answer to the opening post is no his job shouldn't be on the line.  

The fact of the matter is we have a squad of average players. Nothing more.  We have a great keeper and a few players who could become very good players(Morelos and Kent and a few others) 

Gerrard has improved us certainly.  We are in the last 32 of the Europa League and may win the Scottish Cup. 

Too many fans seem to forget the money that is required to bring in great players. Mid table teams in the English Championship regularly spend 8 to 12 million on players.

So this is the reality of the level we are at! 

I don’t buy this at all.The players we have should be more than good enough for us to be in a better position domestically than we are.

We don’t have great players at the level you see in England but the clubs who are turning us over don’t have 7 million pound wingers and attacking midfielders earning a rumoured £20,000 a week like we do either. It’s all relative.

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5 minutes ago, gersfc86 said:

The answer to the opening post is no his job shouldn't be on the line.  

The fact of the matter is we have a squad of average players. Nothing more.  We have a great keeper and a few players who could become very good players(Morelos and Kent and a few others) 

Gerrard has improved us certainly.  We are in the last 32 of the Europa League and may win the Scottish Cup. 

Too many fans seem to forget the money that is required to bring in great players. Mid table teams in the English Championship regularly spend 8 to 12 million on players.

So this is the reality of the level we are at! 

And how much are the rest of our league spending on players?

Nobody should be beating us outside celtic if money is the yardstick.

Thats the reality of where we are at. It might be too much for the gaffer.

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I don’t think it’s a question of his job being on the line. If it had been almost anyone else he would have had his marching orders. 

I think really it’s more a question of when he’s going to jump ship (with his assistants).  Unless there’s a miracle long term turnaround he won’t hang around next season with all that’s at stake then.

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16 minutes ago, thetrurobear said:

Definitely progress this year. A cup final. Winning at piggery. Doing well in Europe. May win Scottish cup. Got to give him time. 

hes had time moon at their dump then we all might as well chuck it. Small club mentality that attitude.  

if his name wasn’t Steven Gerrard then everyone would be calling for his head.

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1 minute ago, Hutton2008 said:

And how much are the rest of our league spending on players?

Nobody should be beating us outside celtic if money is the yardstick.

Thats the reality of where we are at. It might be too much for the gaffer.

Thats very true. We should have more points that we do have. 

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