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6 minutes ago, dee9 said:

It would still be suicidal to get rid.

He's improved us...no question.

He deserves a shot to stop 10 for me.

It will be doubly difficult to stop 10, as the scum aint standing still to watch us coming.

We also remain with players not of the desired quality nor mentality to win anything and you can start with Tav and Goldson and work your way forward.

Barring a change of regime and major new investment, Gerrard aint hanging around for a major humiliation in them taking ten in a row. He also has his own brand and rep to look after, albeit he shoulders much blame for our current predicament.

 

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3 minutes ago, theblueoysterbar said:

If he's here next season and gets money in the summer... Honestly, fuck the League Cup and fuck Europe.

Who gives a shit if nobody gets a good bevvy and a couple of nights away from their missus for a year.

The league is all that matters.

The problem is we need the Europa league income to run as a functioning buisness, if we don't have that source of income then I fail to see where we fund squad improvements next summer 

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4 minutes ago, theblueoysterbar said:

If he's here next season and gets money in the summer... Honestly, fuck the League Cup and fuck Europe.

Who gives a shit if nobody gets a good bevvy and a couple of nights away from their missus for a year.

The league is all that matters.

He'll need a lot of money and rid us of those blue eyed first picks of his, starting with Tav. Fucking losers.

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1 minute ago, hammer93 said:

He most definitely needs to look at different formations for certain games which is something he has very rarely done in his 20mnth stint, the players themselves need to do more, the majority of that squad have proved they can beat and match the vermin on most occasions but their inability to beat Killie, Aberdeen and this season hearts is a fucking embarrassment 

Agreed but to rip it up and start again next season as i say would be madness.

If Gerrard doesn't stop it then so be it we need to suck it up but he deserves the chance. 

He was brought in to stop 10.

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3 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

It will be doubly difficult to stop 10, as the scum aint standing still to watch us coming.

We also remain with players not of the desired quality nor mentality to win anything and you can start with Tav and Goldson and work your way forward.

Barring a change of regime and major new investment, Gerrard aint hanging around for a major humiliation in them taking ten in a row. He also has his own brand and rep to look after, albeit he shoulders much blame for our current predicament.

 

Gerrard isn't here for a jolly.

He's desperate for success like all of us.......its a brutal job.

I genuinely still have trust that he can turn this around. I've seen enough to suggest he should have another season.

 

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14 minutes ago, dee9 said:

Gerrard isn't here for a jolly.

He's desperate for success like all of us.......its a brutal job.

I genuinely still have trust that he can turn this around. I've seen enough to suggest he should have another season.

 

Correct and neither is he here to be humiliated, which he will be when the scum take ten. You do understand if he's here and that happens he will be trashed all over every media outlet, far less by our fans? He wouldn't get a fucking job in Aldi's.

He will not get success until he matches the quality of player at the scum, who will go all out next season to make serious history. They aint sitting back waiting on us coming.

He is also not without his own failings. Tav captain?! Ojo first pick for six months. Now it's shitebag Aribo's turn . Then we have Goldson, Hellander who must be the slowest player in football. Not forgetting continually ditching Katic at the drop of a hat and oh, those other 20 players he signed who don't get a game. Doesn't strike me as the greatest of judgement and I actually like the guy.

In any job, you do what's best for you, so unless there is regime change and major investment to match the scum, he/we, aint winning the centre of a doughnut and he will be off at the end of the season if it doesn't happen. He is simply to big to put at risk what he has got and that is a blue chip reputation.

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5 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Correct and neither is he here to be humiliated, which he will be when the scum take ten. You do understand if he's here and that happens he will be trashed all over every media outlet, far less by our fans? He wouldn't get a fucking job in Aldi's.

He will not get success until he matches the quality of player at the scum, who will go all out next season to make serious history. They aint sitting back waiting on us coming.

He is also not without his own failings. Tav captain?! Ojo first pick for six months. Now it's shitebag Aribo's turn . Then we have Goldson, Hellander who must be the slowest player in football. Not forgetting continually ditching Katic at the drop of a hat and oh, those other 20 players he signed who don't get a game. Doesn't strike me as the greatest of judgement and I actually like the guy.

In any job, you do what's best for you, so unless there is regime change and major investment to match the scum, he/we, aint winning the centre of a doughnut and he will be off at the end of the season if it doesn't happen. He is simply to big to put at risk what he has got and that is a blue chip reputation.

He knew what he was signing up for BA.

He's not daft.

 

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The problem is depth of quality. 

I don't think there is a great deal between the first XI, but there is a significant gap between the first XXII

Comparing the benches tonight (only counting top tier competition medals)

Bain - 3 Scotland Caps, capable back up (5 career medals)
Bayo - 3 Ivory Coast Caps, 4th  or 5th choice striker (No medals)
Bauer - 6 Austria Caps - back up right back (2 career medals)
Hayes - 4 Ireland Caps - Proven SPFL standard player (6 career medals)
Christie - 10 Scotland Caps - Credible candidate for POTY awards this season (4 career medals)
Rogic - 47 Australia Caps - Proven game changing player (14 career medals)
Elyounoussi - 22 Norway Caps - Decent player (5 career medals)

Total  - 95 International Caps (36 career medals)

VERSUS

Foderingham - Championship standard goalkeeper, capable back up. (No medals)
Edmundson - Promising young player signed from League One (No Medals)
Davis - 117 N.Ireland Caps- Veteran midfielder, still capable but a player on decline (9 medals)
Flanagan - 1 England Cap - No longer good enough to play in the EPL (No Medals)
Jones - 9 N.Ireland Caps - Capable SPFL level player (No medals)
Kamberi - Wasn't getting regular game time at Hibs. SPFL level player who offers a different option (No medals)
Stewart - 12 Scotland Caps, Proven SPFL standard player, 3rd or 4th choice forward (No medals)

Total - 139 International Caps (9 career medals)*

*Davis severely enhances our statistics

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From our bench, I think only Davis enhances there squad ,where as I think every single one of their bench improves our squad.

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1 minute ago, Hadron Collider said:

Who comes in after him mate?  Think we have to stay with Gerrard. He got his eyes opened tonight for sure.  

I don't care

the guy is a disgrace, in my opinion

he's crossed the rubicon with me

He plays the same formation, at the same venues, refuses to change it and suffers the same results. He is incapable of learning. Worse, he appears to be sharing some fenianspex when it comes to refereeing decisions.

He refuses to stand up for the club, he is tactically naïve and seemingly unable/unwilling to learn

I'd take him, his assistant, Robertson, Tav, goldson, Kamara and aribo and ship them to derby or some such non-entity.

Suffice to say im finished with the current MD and football management.

 

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3 hours ago, hammer93 said:

The problem is we need the Europa league income to run as a functioning buisness, if we don't have that source of income then I fail to see where we fund squad improvements next summer 

 

3 hours ago, theblueoysterbar said:

I think we could do without it for a year tbh.

 

3 hours ago, dee9 said:

Totally agree 

Not sure on this one. There is a £10m shortfall this financial year with Europe. That would probably go to £20m next season all things considered: loss of ticket revenue, commercial income and prize money. To then strengthen the squad on top of that loss would surely run the risk of falling foul of financial fair play regulations? Accumulated losses over a period of time. Bear in mind the merchandise dealings are all up in the air again which hampers the income. Not overly familiar with FFP regs off the top of my head mind you.

Balancing the books has to happen at some stage or another by selling some realisable assets to improve things on the park. Doesn’t look like we are winning anything with Morelos in this team despite how good he is. £20m/£30m is serious funding going forward, and we need more than just Morelos as pointed out above - we need strength in depth. Stewart (arguable), Halliday, Barker and Ojo etc won’t cut it off the bench. We need better.

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We are literally fucked if Morelos gets injured or suspended. Zero options up top since Defoe’s injury. Things could get worse before they get better. 
 

He has to get the players heads in the game. We look lost when teams equalise. No momentum, forward passing or any player taking responsibility to try and dig us out. The passing is particular passenger like when this happens, we just knock the ball around the centre circle and then get done with a long ball or counter attack. 
 

We were just about hanging on to a challenge after the Hearts defeat but the draw against Aberdeen was the nail in the coffin. Gerrard will get another shot next season but only if he can get the team on a good run until May and almost certain Bly needs to win the Scottish cup. 
 

The game at the weekend will be the same as yesterday, physical side going toe to toe and inviting us to break them down. Teams know how to play us, maybe this will be a learning curve of winning ugly

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He was always a rookie and make mistakes. I think we have to give him more time and hopefully he is learning.🤔

His mistakes this season started early with forcing Dan into a move when the replacements signed weren’t up to the job. Dan had shown in pre-season that he was on form. Dropping him from the squad for the Europa league games forced him into a move. Tavernier isn’t half as effective without Dan in the team. Dan didn’t like beating his man but his early diagonal balls into the box are the way the modern game is played and Alfie thrived on them.

Another mistake is his inability to see when a game needs changing. Last night (2nd half) our defensive midfielders were not winning the ball and the defence was constantly under pressure. Davis needed to come on. Kilmarnock were quite open and gave us the chance to break forward and the game would have suited Davis.

Gerrard’s back up team needs reviewed. The players fitness levels need improved and training maybe needs to be more intensive. Alfie needs to work with a specialist striker coach/Defoe and improve the finesse in his game. He also hasn’t looked as fit since winter break.

The lack of an alternative left back to Barisic was never dealt with. Halliday is a midfielder and should be playing every week at the likes of Patrick or Dundee and driving them towards promotion etc. We should take a closer look at the Kilmarnock left back...looks a real player.

 

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Its only his fukin name that keeps him off the dole today drops  8 points in 4 games thats not a Rangers manager his team can only play for half a season then they go to shit apart from Europe he has done fuck all all this shite we are playing better how can we be when teams like Hearts an Kilmarnock are fucking us

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I really like the passion Gerrard has and the way he conducts himself but to be honest this run of form doesn't look like stopping anytime soon and it would appear he doesn't know how to get us out of the slump. 

In january we needed to add quality which we have not done we cleared out a few but we should be looking to get rid of the likes of Ojo, Barker and a few others.  We have a large squad with very little in the way of options and quality to look to outwit the 1st 11 

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we have to stick with the management team they have made improvements, but it’s clear to see that we still lack quality particularly in midfield 

that mob have a team full of midfields that constantly score goals for them we don’t. We have nobody that gerrard can bring off the bench to have an impact in games and that’s because we are still being forced to shop in loan deals and lower end players 

if selling morelos means we get some serious funding to buy better quality elsewhere then please sell him 

 

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