Rangers + Club 1872 Statements

[MisterC 12,262]

20 minutes ago, johanhentze said:

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Drink in the next few days? Coming down on thursday  

Seems there are no tickets available for Livingston 😞 

Of course! When do you land?

Mate, we will get tickets. Guaranteed there will be folk with spares at Ibrox subway so we'll get there nice and early and then grab a beer

[RFC55 108,733]

42 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

 Absolutely mate, differences of opinions should remain exactly that,  but it does cross the line, when someone who's MO is consistently calling fellow posters a mong at the drop of a hat and derails a thread is simply not a good person. Bear or no bear.

Someone who consistently posts lies and inuendo on another poster's personal life of whom he neither knows or knows of, and indeed trying to ridicule cancer sufferers is simply cowardly scum. None of us are saints, but please correct me if I'm wrong in the direction of one's moral compass. 

Much like the team, consistency and a level pllaying field is all that one can ask.

 

You just canae help yourself Walter 

[Darth Bear 15,090]

36 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

 Absolutely mate, differences of opinions should remain exactly that,  but it does cross the line, when someone who's MO is consistently calling fellow posters a mong at the drop of a hat and derails a thread is simply not a good person. Bear or no bear.

Someone who consistently posts lies and inuendo on another poster's personal life of whom he neither knows or knows of, and indeed trying to ridicule cancer sufferers is simply cowardly scum. None of us are saints, but please correct me if I'm wrong in the direction of one's moral compass. 

Much like the team, consistency and a level pllaying field is all that one can ask.

 

How's this for personal. 

You have stated on here that you would disown your own daughter if she had a black partner. No matter his personality or profession. So she could be disowned for dating any number of Rangers players over the years.

This is the sort of attitude that the father of the child charged probably has.

This whole situation is just ammunition for you to attack the taig/fenian you don't actually give a fuck what has happened to Morelos beyond the fact that he happens to play for Rangers. 

Any right minded person would just find it wrong no matter what. 

You have more in common with our enemies than you realise. 

[johanhentze 14,073]

1 minute ago, MisterC said:

Of course! When do you land?

Mate, we will get tickets. Guaranteed there will be folk with spares at Ibrox subway so we'll get there nice and early and then grab a beer

Thursday, 16.45 at Ediburgh. Better get a fucking ticket!!!

 

[MisterC 12,262]

Just now, johanhentze said:

Thursday, 16.45 at Ediburgh. Better get a fucking ticket!!!

 

We will! Anyway, enough derailing of this thread!

[Darth Bear 15,090]

As for the statement I thought it was decent. The follow up has put them on the spot for the predictable reaction. 

Mentioning the difference between Scotland and England and the attitudes shown will hopefully find more traction outside of Scotland and hopefully start a debate elsewhere because no matter what there will be no fair debate in Scotland. 

Hopefully this is the point where we say enough is enough. 

[bluenoz 30,687]

Although the club haven't resorted to any actions so far, I think the two statements have been very effective. The silence from all media outlets is deafening. And I don't mean it has fallen on deaf ears but rather they are being very selective to say anything negative.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

8 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

You just canae help yourself Walter 

Excuse me. What would you know? Why would you even be answering?

I won't be holding my breathe awaiting a coherent response, but one only needs to go back a few pages.

Some just can't help themselves indeed.

Toodle pip and enjoy your evening.

[Darth Bear 15,090]

Also I believe that @tannerall was the one that brought up the kids parents.

Unless it was the parent guardian of the child that reported the behaviour then they should be banned from football as they have basically supported it otherwise. I don't see this happening but it should. 

Also as the only one charged so far does this mean it happened in the family section? Would be interesting if that mob have anything to say about kids having that happen in the supposedly safe zone.

[tannerall 25,935]

2 minutes ago, Darth Bear said:

Also I believe that @tannerall was the one that brought up the kids parents.

Unless it was the parent guardian of the child that reported the behaviour then they should be banned from football as they have basically supported it otherwise. I don't see this happening but it should. 

Also as the only one charged so far does this mean it happened in the family section? Would be interesting if that mob have anything to say about kids having that happen in the supposedly safe zone.

Good point @Darth Bear

If a club that has had difficulty in protecting children from its own in the past, then they should be even more diligent about protecting kids from their own in the present. 

No wonder they want to ban Sky before they start asking those sort of questions, I'm sure Sky wouldn't be happy showing exclusive coverage of a team with so many issues.

[Bjorklund 69]

5 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Excuse me. What would you know? Why would you even be answering?

I won't be holding my breathe awaiting a coherent response, but one only needs to go back a few pages.

Some just can't help themselves indeed.

Toodle pip and enjoy your evening.

Did you actually say you would disown your daughter if she dated a black man?

[bluenoz 30,687]

Until I see court records, the 12 yr old kid simply doesn't exist. It is too convenient to say he can't be named due to age. We all know it is not the voice of a child in the video. Perhaps the match report from the delegate can clear this up but I'm sure that report will get well and truly buried.

 

[BridgeIsBlue 66,603]

22 minutes ago, Darth Bear said:

How's this for personal. 

You have stated on here that you would disown your own daughter if she had a black partner. No matter his personality or profession. So she could be disowned for dating any number of Rangers players over the years.

This is the sort of attitude that the father of the child charged probably has.

This whole situation is just ammunition for you to attack the taig/fenian you don't actually give a fuck what has happened to Morelos beyond the fact that he happens to play for Rangers. 

Any right minded person would just find it wrong no matter what. 

You have more in common with our enemies than you realise. 

He also thinks Chinese people should be jailed because they're Chinese. 

[Darth Bear 15,090]

5 minutes ago, Bjorklund said:

Did you actually say you would disown your daughter if she dated a black man?

He seriously has mate even going to lengths to explain why with them not being like the rest of us humans 

Well known for this sort of nonsense in the politics section which is even more of a madhouse than the bears den.

[STEPPS BOY 73,804]

[Darth Bear 15,090]

6 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

He also thinks Chinese people should be jailed because they're Chinese. 

Lucky for us Morelos is not a black man from China 

Quick edit to add the not

[Darth Bear 15,090]

8 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

Until I see court records, the 12 yr old kid simply doesn't exist. It is too convenient to say he can't be named due to age. We all know it is not the voice of a child in the video. Perhaps the match report from the delegate can clear this up but I'm sure that report will get well and truly buried.

 

Nobody said that the 12 year old was the one in the video. More to come I would like to think. 

[bluenoz 30,687]

Just now, Darth Bear said:

Nobody said that the 12 year old was the one in the video. More to come I would like to think. 

 Don't hold your breath mate.

[Darth Bear 15,090]

1 minute ago, bluenoz said:

 Don't hold your breath mate.

Not going to but everyone including celtic and the media knows this to be the case.

[Darth Bear 15,090]

19 minutes ago, tannerall said:

Good point @Darth Bear

If a club that has had difficulty in protecting children from its own in the past, then they should be even more diligent about protecting kids from their own in the present. 

No wonder they want to ban Sky before they start asking those sort of questions, I'm sure Sky wouldn't be happy showing exclusive coverage of a team with so many issues.

Hopefully their attitude backfires and they get the scrutiny that they deserve 

[graeme_4 34,365]

12 hours ago, the cry was no said:

The problem with the statement is that Traynor wrote it and delivered it. It has many great points but unfortunately, as is his want, he tries to be too clever and point fingers without naming names.

The problem with our PR is Traynor..... he wasn't a great journalist, he's not a PR professional and he is universally hated due to being an arrogant, egotistical bully.

It's not surprising that the statement has been ignored by the mhedia.

Leckie should have been dealt with at the time not brought into a very important issue weeks later.

Provan should be publicly lambasted for his disgraceful article - separate to this statement

Our PR is very poor because we employ a very poor person to do it, Whatever he has on King or others must be big, there is no other reason for persevering with him

Post of the thread IMO.

[Blueshoff 11,750]

1 hour ago, johanhentze said:

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Drink in the next few days? Coming down on thursday  

Seems there are no tickets available for Livingston 😞 

I was on the phone just after 9 first day of public sale and struggled to get three. 

Managed to get them but not together. 

[toad 320]

4 hours ago, Smile said:

See the scum have banned sky sports from their press conferences even though they know Morelos was racially abused.

 

 

celtic are refusing to co-operate with Sky Sports as the Scottish champions pursue a full explanation for a mistranslated interview with the Rangers striker Alfredo Morelos.

In a major embarrassment for Sky, subtitles attached to Morelos, who spoke in Spanish, wrongly accused celtic supporters of racially abusing the Colombian at the Old Firm match on 29 December.

Sky’s reporters were not welcome at celtic’s pre-match press conference for Wednesday’s game at home to Hearts, as had been the case before last Sunday’s Scottish Cup tie against Clyde. Such a move is not typical of celtic and illustrates the scale of their feeling. The broadcaster faces a race to resolve the matter before its live screening of Aberdeen v celtic on Sunday.

After celtic’s initial complaint, Sky admitted “inaccuracies” in the interview and removed it from all platforms before making a corrected version available. It said in a statement: “After numerous steps undertaken by Sky to verify the interview thoroughly we can be clear that at no point did Morelos allege that any racial abuse was directed at him by celtic supporters in the interview. We apologise to the supporters of celtic football club for this serious error. We are reviewing our procedures for translated interviews to ensure this does not occur in future.”

There was, though, no detail offered publicly or privately as to how this situation arose. celtic remain angry with what they regard as the unsatisfactory nature of Sky’s response and have reported the situation to Ofcom.

This fall-out is all the more notable because Sky will begin an exclusive, five-year deal to screen live Scottish Premiership matches next season. Sky did not comment on this on Monday when approached by the Guardian. It has also been approached on Tuesday in relation to its lack of access to celtic’s media briefings.

Ofcom is looking through complaints from celtic supporters as well as from the club. An Ofcom spokesperson said: “We are assessing these complaints against our broadcasting rules, but have yet to decide whether or not to investigate.” This analysis typically takes around two weeks, with any formal investigation then usually completed within 50 working days.

celtic have specifically demanded to know who was responsible for the translation. “The use of mistranslation to convey false meaning is a dangerous form of fake news which must be condemned and sanctioned,” said the club’s chief executive, Peter Lawwell.

Rangers are yet to say anything specifically about the misrepresentation of their player by Sky. Morelos’s representatives, World in Motion, did not comment when approached by the Guardian. The club did, though, issue a lengthy statement on Monday evening after it emerged that a 12-year-old had been charged in relation to a racist chant directed towards Morelos at celtic Park. Rangers took aim at what they perceive as unfair treatment of their leading striker by the Scottish media.

“Rangers had a duty of care not to say anything that might compromise a live Police Scotland investigation,” the statement said. “What none of us should ever do, however, is dismiss, or trivialise abusive behaviour as too many media outlets, journalists, and pundits have done in this instance.”

It added: “When a player is at the centre of an abuse claim he is treated with respect and sensitivity and given support. That is certainly the case in England, but not here and most certainly not with Alfredo Morelos, who is actually being demonised in many quarters of the media.”

I think that mob know who translated Alfie's interview. Could it have been a translator from within our club or utilised by the club? 

To me it looks that way; they are attempting to turn this back onto us, to minimise the  impact on themselves! 

[scottyc06 6,915]

Unbelievable how far behind our board are to theirs. They have banned a broadcaster because they said “inaccuracies” that painted their fans in a bad light. On the other hand, it has taken how long for our board to protect one of our prize assets, and even at that we haven’t actually done anything but release a statement saying I told you so. 

Regardless of it being a brass neck or whatever, they’re sticking up for their fans with actions. Our board are struggling to stick up for a player never mind the support.  

[tannerall 25,935]

9 minutes ago, toad said:

I think that mob know who translated Alfie's interview. Could it have been a translator from within our club or utilised by the club? To me it looks that way and they are attempting to turn this back on us, to minimise the  impact on themselves! 

Hope it wasn't Nacho Novo.