plymouthranger 3,842 Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, saltire266 said: We are struggling to score 1 a game nevermind 3 So in that scenario you either have to score more or concede less. Conceding 2 goals in games against Hearts & Kilmarnock means you’ll rarely beat those sides Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Rolle 514 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, xaldub said: Agreed, a defender isn't going to make a difference. The main problem is the midfield/forward areas which aren't creating enough chances or scoring goals. The team as a whole has become very predictable and seems to have abandoned the high press which worked so well in the first half of the season. Is their fitness in question, or is it purely a mental/attitude thing ? This 100%. The high press has been abandoned and that’s why we’re struggling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebell82 236 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm still bemused as to why we bought Helander, not a bad player but the priority should have always been another striker and/or a creative goalscoring midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLaudrup 4,437 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Attack is the best form of defence. We’ve been very poor in converting chances since the break with too many players off form. I don’t think our defence is awful, the stats don’t lie and over the piece we’ve not conceded many goals although certainly we made bad mistakes last night. I think all of our central defenders are ok but we certainly don’t have any that are unstoppable or phenomenal. Helander lacks pace but he reads the game very well and is very strong in the air. I think the problem has been a combination of losing helander, Jack, tav and Morelos at the same time. There isn’t enough quality in the team to sustain that, and tav and Morelos have both been off the pace since their return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 10,946 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, James Rolle said: This 100%. The high press has been abandoned and that’s why we’re struggling Players aren’t up to sustaining that way of playing. Took Klopp 2, maybe 3 seasons to get Liverpool playing the way he wants consistently. He acknowledged that the players needed time to adapt so that they are now playing to this high tempo almost all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues 375 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Get big Phil back in. We were unbeaten with him in the team apart from Young Boys away where Tav had a mare. The big man is one of our better strikers as well . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivybank 4,496 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Anybody who doesn't think the defence is poor is deluded, one goal from us should be enough to beat any of the shite we play 2 goals the sheep 2 hearts 2 Killie dont conceed in any of these games after being ahead and we'd be top of the league and probably have won it, 2 solid central defenders needed the 4 we have aren't good enough, average nothing more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernando0606 565 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Blues said: Get big Phil back in. We were unbeaten with him in the team apart from Young Boys away where Tav had a mare. The big man is one of our better strikers as well . Played in the final. One of our best strikers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues 375 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Forgot about that but we should have won that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues 375 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 He is a better header of the ball than any of our strikers and scores crucial goals when under pressure.....winner v Well and Hears LC semi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,007 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 This thread is a common example of how much better a player becomes when he doesn't play. Helander is no better and no worse than the other centre backs. To be honest I'm happy enough with any pairing with Goldson probably being the pick of the bunch. It's the rest of the team that's letting us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,178 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Couple of points: passing the ball about in our own half especially around the box limits our chances of scoring but increases our chances of conceding. Sitting off the opposition and giving so much time and space to run forward puts far too much pressure on a defence which lacks concentration and organisation/ 4 shots on target in 94 minutes is a disgrace for a team which are so highly paid and so expensively put together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,548 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Getting better the less he plays. A common thing with players among our support these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandRoad83 3,123 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Some players get better the longer they are injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordo7 147 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Jamie0202 said: This thread is a common example of how much better a player becomes when he doesn't play. Helander is no better and no worse than the other centre backs. To be honest I'm happy enough with any pairing with Goldson probably being the pick of the bunch. It's the rest of the team that's letting us down. So Goldson didn't make an arse of their second goal? If he's the pick, then we're screwed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,287 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, DBBTB said: Getting better the less he plays. A common thing with players among outer support these days. Helander looks awkward and slow but the statistics don't lie. He is an effective player who has been missed. Edmundson & Katic are apprentices and apprentices make mistakes. Until last night, Goldson has been very good for about 3 months. It's Goldson & Helander all day long for me. And that was the choice in Europe that has given us success to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juniorsparkie 491 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Inigo said: Don't think the defence is a massive issue tbh. Just looking at the stats, we've conceded 1 more goal than them. We've scored 17 fewer though. The bigger issue is further forward. Goldson is a liability when push comes to shove, he has the unerring ability to make a pure and utter cunt of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,524 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, Juniorsparkie said: Goldson is a liability when push comes to shove, he has the unerring ability to make a pure and utter cunt of it. Our best CB. Good player overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, bluenoz said: Helander looks awkward and slow but the statistics don't lie. He is an effective player who has been missed. Edmundson & Katic are apprentices and apprentices make mistakes. Until last night, Goldson has been very good for about 3 months. It's Goldson & Helander all day long for me. And that was the choice in Europe that has given us success to date. What doesn't lie is what you see in front of your eyes. He looks awkward and slow bcause he is. What doesn't lie is the points total at the end of the season. What does lie are the statistics used to justify mediocrity and shitebaggery. That and the blinkers Gerrard is obviously wearing. So what about him being... the slowest footballer in Scotland? turtle necking? the turning circle of an ocean liner? an hour to make a pass? intimidates no one? injured again? EL is meaningless. It suits the shitebaggery and gives time on the ball and lbh, we aint ever winning it. It's good for cash that we now need to pay for the wages of the shitebaggery that have ballooned under Gerrard. We will never agree on this player or Goldson, but that football. All about opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,287 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, Blue Avenger said: What doesn't lie is what you see in front of your eyes. He looks awkward and slow bcause he is. What doesn't lie is the points total at the end of the season. What does lie are the statistics used to justify mediocrity and shitebaggery. That and the blinkers Gerrard is obviously wearing. So what about him being... the slowest footballer in Scotland? turtle necking? the turning circle of an ocean liner? an hour to make a pass? intimidates no one? injured again? EL is meaningless. It suits the shitebaggery and gives time on the ball and lbh, we aint ever winning it. It's good for cash that we now need to pay for the wages of the shitebaggery that have ballooned under Gerrard. We will never agree on this player or Goldson, but that football. All about opinions. You sure know how to make a gloomy day gloomier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybear1975 1,942 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Runs kinda funny. Think the phrase to describe him was running like his arse hairs are tied together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,057 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Lost your mind if you thought we looked solid with Helander at the back My lasting impression of him so far is a mediocre Feyenoord striker sending him left, right then planting him on his own face Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,007 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, gordo7 said: So Goldson didn't make an arse of their second goal? If he's the pick, then we're screwed At no point did anyone say that so you're just making stuff up now. This is a common example of how much worse a player becomes after a single fuck up or poor game. Try looking at Goldson's performances over a longer period. Yes there are mistakes but overall he's having a decent season. There's not a single defender in the world that doesn't lose cheap goals from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues 375 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Big Phil is a powerful Viking......get him back in😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik2402 1,299 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 hours ago, bgally said: I agree with you there,Goldson is the only one who never gets dropped but imo is the worst of the 4 centre backs. Stop watching football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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