Gascoigne8 3,378 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: I posted earlier that in approximately 100 odd glorious years making us the most successful club in the world we used 16 managers. those managers averaged 8 seasons in the last ten barren years we’ve had more than half that number. A “rinse and repeat “ strategy that HAS to change. There has to be a change, but the last few weeks (since the hearts game ) the manager seems reluctant to change anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,531 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Gascoigne8 said: There has to be a change, but the last few weeks (since the hearts game ) the manager seems reluctant to change anything Apart from the radical changes against Braga and StJohnston (albeit the second failed) listening to him recently our next game(s) will see a significant change to our set up and personal. 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthranger 3,867 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Badger said: I've said before, with the wage gap between us and them - we are only winning the league if we over perform, or they under perform. Lets be honest a par score for this level of Rangers squad, over the season would be somewhere around the 85-90 point mark, we are on course to finish around the 90 point mark. celtic are on course to finish on 103 pts, which would be the 2nd highest points tally since the league went to 38 games in 2000. Even a great Rangers side would struggle to match that, and indeed we have never broken 100 points with far better squads than this. 90 points would be enough to win the league in 8 out of the last 20 seasons, and league winning Rangers sides (far better than this one), only amassed 90-95pts. It isn't good enough, it isn't where I want Rangers to be..... but it is the harsh reality. We are still suffering badly from the events following Valentines Day 2012, and pissed seasons up the wall with McCoist, Murty and Caixinha at the helm, when we should have been preparing for now. I will excuse Warburton to a point, as he improved us immediately but.... didn't kick on to the next required level (albeit had limited backing in taking a Championship side to the SPFL). Whilst I do not think there is much between Rangers best XI and Celtics best XI. They have 2 big advantages: Superior squad depth Winners mentality If we lose a few players, it weakens us far more than it weakens them. Their 3rd choice striker for example, cost £4m. Ours was struggling to get a game at a bang average Hibs side. People will point to Gerrards transfer spend, but for much the same reason as Everton could match Liverpools transfer spend for 2- 3 seasons, and still nowhere near as good. celtic have an established core of quality, and any spend they make compliments it. Our spend is to the bring the core level up to the required standard. Our one big spend, Kent, isn't on form (and he doesn't improve us from last season, as he was here on loan). We need to be adding 1 or 2 players of quality each window, not loanees and squad filler. I don't know if Gerrard is the man to take us forward any more - I feel deep down that he may be nearing the plateau of taking us as far as he can, undoubtedly improving us. Bang on. The 1 reason I’ll give Gerrard time is because they’re having an exceptional league season. But he better win the Scottish Cup or the next league cup, otherwise the fans will turn on him before Xmas this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 12,905 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, The Ibrox Derry said: Gerrard inherited an absolute shit show 18 months ago. It takes time to sort these things out. Anyone who says we havnt made good progress are just working to their own agenda. Our squad isn't quite ready for a sustained title challenge, but i believe if we stick together, then next season will bear fruit. No one can deny that on our day we are an excellent team. We made progress last season but where is the progress this season? We are going backwards at a frightening rate and our form since the break is relegation material,this is probably the poorest standard of spfl in years and we are struggling. Says it all when we are shiting ourselves going to tynecastle to face the worst hearts team in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: Leicester spent a small proportion on transfer fees compared to near the whole EPL and especially the top 6, much lesser wages and won a league title. Atletico Madrid did it as well, both under much bigger restraints. And weren’t both over those things considered massive overachievements, shocks and anomalies because both clubs punched well above their weight after spending less than the club’s they beat to those trophies? Some people put too much stock in how much more money celtic spend than us but by the same token other people (yourself included) don’t consider it enough when it is clearly one of a number of factors as to why they are and have been favourites since day one and we aren’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 They'll get to 100 points because they've been under pressure twice over a 10 month season, twice and we fucked it, twice. The wage bill argument is nonsense as well because 4 games against them haven't cost us the title, it'll be the other 34 against the muck in this league that Gerrard still can't beat consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: They'll get to 100 points because they've been under pressure twice over a 10 month season, twice and we fucked it, twice. The wage bill argument is nonsense as well because 4 games against them haven't cost us the title, it'll be the other 34 against the muck in this league that Gerrard still can't beat consistently. It's not. Higher wages gets you better players capable of changing games and better players give you consistency over a season and ability to unlock shite defences. Low cost and free transfers don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, plymouthranger said: Bang on. The 1 reason I’ll give Gerrard time is because they’re having an exceptional league season. But he better win the Scottish Cup or the next league cup, otherwise the fans will turn on him before Xmas this year Because they can beat dross and we can't. The fans will turn on him if we drop any more points to dross or the scum shred us at Ibrox, which I'm now fully expecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, BlueMe said: It's not. Higher wages gets you better players capable of changing games and better players give you consistency over a season and ability to unlock shite defences. Low cost and free transfers don't. So we can't compete with selik because their wage bill is higher than ours, so why can't we wipe the floor with the other teams in the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc holliday 1,653 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 If the team stop getting into a fangle defensively...the fans will stop being fickle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BlueMe said: It's not. Higher wages gets you better players capable of changing games and better players give you consistency over a season and ability to unlock shite defences. Low cost and free transfers don't. People can try and dress it up by using the most extreme examples of teams overachieving or upsetting the established order that they can think of to show that it can be done, but to achieve something like that you usually need everything to go for you too. We still spend less money than celtic do and that’s why they have a better squad with more quality than we do but we have also had no luck with injuries to key players, loss of form of other players, poor individual mistakes and bad managerial decisions. The harsh reality is that we are exactly where we should be for the money we have spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: Yes over achievements, a similar scenario would be like Aberdeen winning the SPFL title, not Glasgow Rangers with a massive wage bill and spent over £22m under the current manager. Surely you ain't suggesting us winning the league this season would have been on the same level as those examples?! What's to consider? They spent £3m more than us before this transfer window and we were a game in hand away from being top spot. Nearly every single person on here believes we have an equal if not better first 11 than the scum. As I've correctly pointed out, they have numerous average at best players as reserves. Majority(probably yourself included?) were saying the scum were shit back in September and Lennon will destroy Rodgers side, now all of a sudden the scum are great and we can't 'compete' for the title? The scum were correctly title favourites, but what were the odds on 30th December 2019 and how many people on here had us favourites? I guarantee it was a majority especially with the numerous home games we had. Even many of the scum fans were concerned back then about us stopping 9 in a row. The gap of 12 points is not a result of both clubs finances. celtic have a playing staff wage bill of around £60m a year. We have a playing wage bill of about £24m a year. Liverpool have a wage bill of about £110m a year. Leicester City have a wage bill of about £70m a year. As a % basis, Leicester are closer to the top of the EPL than we are to them on wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: So we can't compete with selik because their wage bill is higher than ours, so why can't we wipe the floor with the other teams in the league in the league? Probably in the same way that we can give celtic a game in a one off contest but ultimately can’t keep pace with them over a 38 game season. The other teams in the league raise their game and compete with us in a one off game every few months - like we do against celtic and have done in Europe - but over the course of a 38 game season our extra quality in comparison to these teams that give us a game the Aberdeen and Kilmarnock’s of the league shines through and we finish 30, 40 or 50 points ahead of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: So we can't compete with selik because their wage bill is higher than ours, so why can't we wipe the floor with the other teams in the league in the league? We can, we're 22 points ahead of the rest. We can compete with celtics starting 11, but over the course of the season, we can't, because outside our starting 11, we're not as good - mainly because we can't afford the quality for the bench, so used the free transfer market instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, doc holliday said: If the team stop getting into a fangle defensively...the fans will stop being fickle. It's not defensively it's all over the park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: So we can't compete with selik because their wage bill is higher than ours, so why can't we wipe the floor with the other teams in the league in the league? Generally we are. We will be 20pts ahead of 3rd place come May. Teams will drop points, teams go through phases where they struggle. That's when quality come into it. Celtic have more quality, and are on course to finish the season on 103 points. Rangers sides featuring the likes of De Boer, Ferguson, Amoruso, Albertz, etc couldn't achieve that. Best we have ever managed was 97pts. We are on course to finish with 90pts - a total that would have won us the league with every title we have won this century, bar one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, DBBTB said: People can try and dress it up by using the most extreme examples of teams overachieving or upsetting the established order that they can think of to show that it can be done, but to achieve something like that you usually need everything to go for you too. We still spend less money than celtic do and that’s why they have a better squad with more quality than we do but we have also had no luck with injuries to key players, loss of form of other players, poor individual mistakes and bad managerial decisions. The harsh reality is that we are exactly where we should be for the money we have spent. Totally agree tbh. For us to compete consistently with celtic, we need to be a lot closer to them financially. Our starting 11 is good enough to win against anyone easily in the league, but add in a few injuries/suspensions and we're fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I can't think of any other big club that would get full houses in the bottom tier of football so as supporters we have nothing to prove to anybody ... the truth is we have dropped 10 points since coming back from Dubai so the problem isn't with us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Badger said: Generally we are. We will be 20pts ahead of 3rd place come May. Teams will drop points, teams go through phases where they struggle. That's when quality come into it. celtic have more quality, and are on course to finish the season on 103 points. Rangers sides featuring the likes of De Boer, Ferguson, Amoruso, Albertz, etc couldn't achieve that. Best we have ever managed was 97pts. We are on course to finish with 90pts - a total that would have won us the league with every title we have won this century, bar one. We've got 11 games left with 33 points up for grabs, we need 26 to hit 90. The form we're in at the minute considering we've got two tricky away ties left before the split after which we'll more than likely have 4 games away from home doesn't fill me with coincidence that we can achieve that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, KeyserSoze said: Apart from the radical changes against Braga and StJohnston (albeit the second failed) listening to him recently our next game(s) will see a significant change to our set up and personal. 100% Its a bit late for any of that now,is it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,531 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Sket said: Its a bit late for any of that now,is it not? No But I can see how you would think that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 It's also easier for them to keep winning games whilst we continually rip the absolute cunt out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,631 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 These last couple of months have been utterly depressing but I'm generally still on Gerrard's side. It is somewhat galling though that we faced an Old Firm game in March under Murty and were closer then than we are now. Our team was a lot worse and they were arguably better then than now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,333 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That was just an absolute embarrassment of a season from start to finish, the tims steanrolled everyone until thevwon the League cup then basically just phoned it in until March when we shatbthe bed at Ibrox then they phonedin again until the two games against us in a fortnight were thry pumped us at Hampden and the piggery, pretty sure they even threw a game at Easter Road the week before our game at the piggery so they could win the title against us, just a hopeless embarrassing season all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladytonbear 375 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 23 hours ago, Zappa6995 said: They have more money, better players, a winning mentality blah blah fucking blah. Currently we will never know what they and their management are like when pressure is applied as we are woefully incapable of applying any kind of sustained pressure due to our own inability to beat the dross of this league who we ourselves can massively outspend,if it came down to the 4 games against them then fair enough but we cant even get into that position to find out. Thiis all day. Lennon is no tactical genius and in reality has a squad of journeymen with a few decent players. The December OF game shows that when they are under pressure they are not a good team. Our problem is that we don't seem to be able to sustain that pressure over the last two seasons. In relation to the OP, of course fansa are always going to moan when things are going bad, and are entitled to enjoy it when we are winning. However, if you read the posts on the last Braga game before and after us scoring, you will see the true extent of schizophrenia in the posters on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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