raging blue 1972 894 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Exactly Jinty, lets not forget the kangaroo courts or Ally's anger at them trying to strip titles and force the embargo on Rangers. If they want the 5wa through in I say go for it. and while we're at it let's also look at the fiasco 2008/09 forcing us to play what was it 9 games in 20 days or something as they were supposedly going to japan and couldn't extend the season. helped them win the league and fuck us in uefa cup. Did the spl even ask them for proof they were leaving as soon as the league was over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Essandoh said: Exactly why Park is going the right way about things giving them fuck all I think he's spot on not revealing anything until a independent inquiry is given. The clubs already highlighted their feelings of any possible panel members with the Private eye mag. How can Rangers trust another one of their kangaroo courts after those who sat on the last one tried to strip our titles and forced an unlawful embargo on the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu43rigger 327 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: I think he's spot on not revealing anything until a independent inquiry is given. The clubs already highlighted of the feelings of the panel with the Private eye mag. How can Rangers trust another one of their kangaroo courts after those who sat on the last one tried to strip our titles and forced an unlawful embargo on the club. They need to make a move soon, that’s the sheep, hearts and Falkirk saying they would back an inquiry, that’s enough to call an egm(which can take up to 35 days) and any club opposing would look like they have something to hide, if this is a fight we will definitely win then there’s no point waiting any longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,904 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: Those twitter comments again. Are folk really that thick? It wasn’t a loan that would need to be repaid, it was a way of releasing the funds without declaring the leagues at this time. They would never be repaid. Correct ,a member receiving their share in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, stu43rigger said: They need to make a move soon, that’s the sheep, hearts and Falkirk saying they would back an inquiry, that’s enough to call an egm(which can take up to 35 days) and any club opposing would look like they have something to hide, if this is a fight we will definitely win then there’s no point waiting any longer They would still need 75% to vote in favour. I say Park hangs onto it, the longer he does the more the world will be asking 'what have the SPFL to hide'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,268 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Every day someone is coming out with more dodgy stuff, we are sitting, a wee update that says nothing has changed from us and they keeping digging a bigger hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu43rigger 327 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: They would still need 75% to vote in favour. I say Park hangs onto it, the longer he does the more the world will be asking 'what have the SPFL to hide'. The votes are a gurantee imo, it’s a win win for clubs, park doesn’t have to reveal anything but we definitely need to get the ball rolling, it could be over a month before an egm is even granted then god knows how long an inquiry would actually take, calling the egm would ramp up the pressure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,891 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Internal investigation = shred the fucking evidence. Internal investigation done by the SPFL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, BlueKnight87 said: Internal investigation done by the SPFL Dont think you're taking this seriously mate 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomger 874 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Where is dude the taig? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, tomger said: Where is dude the taig? Fuck off with that, the thread is covering the key topics without it getting derailed with bitchfest comments. PM him if hes of so much interest to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomger 874 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Fuck off with that, the thread is covering the key topics without it getting derailed with bitchfest comments. PM him if hes of so much interest to you. I was hoping he has been banned finally petal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,612 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, tomger said: Where is dude the taig? Probably in his bed pal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, BlueKnight87 said: Internal investigation done by the SPFL It's right up there with their voting process. Farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomger 874 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: It's right up their with their voting process. Farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 With all that's gone on I'm starting to believe the SPFL are not fit for purpose as they don't really benefit Scottish football as an whole. The creation of the SPFL was PL's brainchild. The SPL was pushed as a better competition at the top SFL clubs, giving them more money to spend on better players and Scottish teams playing in European competitions 1996, SFL Scottish football’s as worth 3.3m a year with the TV deal, BBC, Sky and STV. 1998/99, SPL's first season was worth £11m. It was a Big rise in income from previous deal but the breakaway angered other clubs. 2002, Roger Mitchell tried to start the league’s own subscription channel, SPL TV. The BBC TV deal was worth £8m a year. failed to secure better sponsorship and TV deals. 2008 Setanta TV deal was worth £13m but they defaulted on payments after one year. 2012 The deal between Sky and BT was worth 18m. Sky had the exclusive rights to games from Ibrox or Parkhead plus Glasgow derbies and trophy presentations but at what cost? Rangers, Hearts and Motherwell Livingston and Dundee going into administration and forcing Gretna to go bust. Falkirk, St Mirren and Hamilton claimed SPFL money helped them open new stadiums, Hearts, Hibernian and Dundee claimed SPL helped money helped them renovated their grounds. celtic and Aberdeen benefitted most because Because of 1st and 2nd place winnings as the SPFL voted Rangers out of the league. celtic also benifitted from European money and domestic trebles. The SPL money helped them to improve the on-field quality by allowing clubs to sign better players and to pay better wages. which would allow them to compete better. As a whole it didn't benefit all SPL members. SPL should have helped members more. They could have got better sponsorship and TV deals as an organisation it let it's members down badly. 2013 SPL and the SFA merged and created the SPFL which had a knock on effect to the Scottish national team as top clubs brought in players from other countries and home grown player failed to be chosen for top flight teams. The SPFL overall is a fail for me. In hindsight the SFL suffered because of the break away. They had a perfectly good stucture in place from grassroots upwards. They should restructured to offer top flight clubs a better competiton with-in Europe. The clubs who benefited most from the SPL were celtic and Aberdeen. As did those taking a wage for governing the game. I'm of the opinion that the SPFL and SFL should de-merge. I'd then like to see the SFL reformed with all it's 147+ yr old history intacted and make Scottish football proud again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Glasgow Evening Times By Matthew Lindsay ------------------------------ The questions the SPFL must answer in an independent investigation into the votegate fiasco THE final outcome may have been, despite the protests emanating from Falkirk, Gorgie, Govan, Inverness, Maryhill, Pilton and Stranraer, the most sensible solution in the exceptional circumstances. And if the 42 senior clubs can now agree, as they surely have a moral obligation to do, to change to a 14-10-10-10 set-up so that Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer can avoid unjust relegations, the entire process will have had just about as satisfactory an end result as was possible all things considered. Should Caledonian Thistle, Falkirk and Edinburgh City be promoted and Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts step up from the Highland League and Lowland League respectively then everybody, or just about everybody, will be happy. Yet, an independent investigation into the vote on the controversial resolution which the SPFL presented to their members 12 days ago is still necessary if the besieged organisation is to put this acrimonious episode behind it and lead the Scottish game out of one of the greatest crises it has ever faced. There is currently little if any faith in the individuals who occupy the sixth floor of Hampden – or did until the coronavirus outbreak and subsequent lockdown last month – among supporters across the country in the wake of a series of extraordinary public gaffes, bizarre twists and damning allegations. An external inquiry is now vital. An internal review, which has been launched, is unacceptable. If the very people whose conduct is under the microscope are in charge of the inquest how can their findings possibly be taken seriously? If chairman Murdoch MacLennan, chief executive Neil Doncaster, secretary Iain Blair and legal advisor Rod McKenzie as well as the board members are all content they acted properly and in the best interests of all clubs at all times during the unfortunate affair they should welcome, not resist, the chance to prove as much. It may, given the challenges they face amid the first global pandemic in a century, given the ongoing uncertainty about both this season and next which they are wrestling with, given that league reconstruction is on the table, given that many clubs face going out of business amid an unprecedented economic downturn, be an unwanted distraction at a demanding time. But there are many, many questions which need to be satisfactorily answered before the SPFL can possibly move forward. Why was only one option out of a possible six presented to clubs? Why weren’t alternatives debated at any length outwith the executive and board? Why couldn’t loans have been advanced before end-of-season fees were paid out? Why were clubs only given two days to digest a dense 105 page document? Why were the proposals presented by Hearts and Rangers deemed not competent? Couldn't more have been done to help them? Why didn’t board member Ken Ferguson of Brechin City recuse himself from the discussions? Wasn’t there a clear conflict of interest if his Angus club were going to avoid the drop out of League 2 if the resolution was passed? Why were the votes cast made public before the final result was known and the decisive vote had been received? What happened to the email that Dundee sent in before the informal deadline? Why were the Dens Park club allowed to ask for it to be disregarded if it arrived? Why did they then change their mind? Why did Doncaster tell Aberdeen chairman Dave Cormack that nine out of the 12 Ladbrokes Premiership clubs had voted in favour of the resolution 20 minutes before the deadline? What kind of way is that to run a democratic ballot? Will the SPFL board or 75 per cent of the top flight clubs now decide to end the 2019/20 campaign? It could all take some time. Then there are the accusations of “bullying” and “coercion” which Rangers have made. Ann Budge, the Hearts owner who joined Cormack in backing the Ibrox club’s call for a probe into events on Saturday, insisted she had no evidence of the former. But she did describe the stories she had heard as “distressing”. Lobbying in these sort of situations is commonplace. It can get pretty nasty when a great deal is at stake and emotions are running high. If harsh words were spoken it would be nothing out of the ordinary. But did such behaviour overstep the mark on this occasion? Were actual threats made? If so, who by? If senior officials or board members have crossed the line between what is acceptable and what isn’t then that must be determined. Putting the votegate fiasco in the past and working together to ensure the future health of the Scottish game is important at this critical juncture. So, though, is identifying what mistakes have been made and what lessons can be learned so the SPFL function more effectively and harmoniously in the years to come. If there has been subterfuge then it must be exposed and the perpetrators weeded out. It was claimed last week that representatives of one club were so disturbed by what had taken place that they were considering involving the police. It hardly reflects well on the body responsible for overseeing proceedings. An independent investigation is a must if trust is to be restored. Otherwise the ill-feeling and suspicion will linger and continue to do damage. https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18390210.questions-spfl-must-answer-independent-investigation-votegate-fiasco/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 "It was claimed last week that representatives of one club were so disturbed by what had taken place that they were considering involving the police." Who claimed this, and which club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 92,793 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 If Chairman Murdoch MacLennan, chief executive Neil Doncaster, secretary Iain Blair and legal advisor Rod McKenzie as well as the board members are all content they acted properly and in the best interests of all clubs at all times during the unfortunate affair they should welcome, not resist, the chance to prove as much. Headshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Neil Doncaster phones Les Gray “Les it’s Neil I was just wondering how you were planning on voting?” Les Gray ”Not sure yet Neil, still thinking about it, why?” N.D ”No reason but we need to finish it ASAP because we want to give out the title, btw we are thinking of banning plastic pitches, that will cost you a fortune to go back to grass right?” L.G ”Say no more, I’m voting yes” N.D ”Cheers Les and you can get a place on the reconstruction board, just keep towing the party line”. That kind of thing would not be surprising 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: "It was claimed last week that representatives of one club were so disturbed by what had taken place that they were considering involving the police." Who claimed this, and which club? Sportsmail has learnt that a number of clubs also have concerns, which they are prepared to take to the police if necessary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8212711/Police-probe-Scottish-vote-voiding-season-Dundee-failed-register-vote.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,932 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, born a blue nose said: If Chairman Murdoch MacLennan, chief executive Neil Doncaster, secretary Iain Blair and legal advisor Rod McKenzie as well as the board members are all content they acted properly and in the best interests of all clubs at all times during the unfortunate affair they should welcome, not resist, the chance to prove as much. Headshot its becoming harder and harder for them to ride/front this out and a glib throwaway statement will not suffice this time, the pencils are getting sharper and the minds more focussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,268 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 To be fair to the Scottish police force, their competence matches that of the SPFL, there would be nothing found after a series of fuck ups. These would be beaten only by the series of fuck ups that allowed Whyte to walk free from court. Would anyone on here trust the police to carry out a proper and thorough investigation without fuck ups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 92,793 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 A would go to judge Rinder before a contacted the shambolic mob up here that claim to be police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,932 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Sportsmail has learnt that a number of clubs also have concerns, which they are prepared to take to the police if necessary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8212711/Police-probe-Scottish-vote-voiding-season-Dundee-failed-register-vote.html That article is from 12/04/2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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