Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[bluenoz 32,505]

What is the point in having Stewart Robertson on the board? He never seems to chair anything.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

6 hours ago, Sweetheart said:

 

Dundee Evening Telegraph

by George Cran

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A Dundee fans group are “happy and satisfied” chief John Nelms acted in the best intentions of the club after clear-the-air talks. 

The Dark Blues managing director took centre stage in the pantomime that has engulfed Scottish football following the SPFL’s proposed plan to end the 2019-20 season in the lower divisions and dish out much-needed prize money.

That was after the American’s initially-intended “no” vote changed to a “yes” to allow the resolution to pass in exchange for firm promises on league reconstruction five days later. That sparked an outcry from the club’s fans over the U-turn which saw Dundee United crowned Championship winners.

And the Dundee Supporters Association – which is made up of 34 clubs comprising 1,000 members – sent an email to the Dens supremo asking for “clarity” over the change in position and how it would benefit the Dark Blues.

Nelms responded with a club statement to reiterate he “got the best deal possible out of a situation that was going to be bad for us in any iteration proposed” and followed that up with a phone conversation with DSA chairman Kenny Ross.

The DSA committee then released a statement stating they were pleased that the push for league reconstruction shows Nelms and owner Tim Keyes “are in this for the long haul”.

The statement included: “We were pleased that the club not only released an updated statement later that day but that managing director John Nelms also personally contacted a member of the DSA committee by phone.

“Mr Nelms was more than able to adequately explain the club’s thought processes and position and demonstrate how he was able to get the best possible outcome for Dundee Football Club in an impossible situation.

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear to the DSA that Mr Nelms has worked tirelessly since and as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“With regards to league reconstruction we suspect that none of the 42 SPFL chairman (sic) pushed harder for it than John Nelms and, as a result, a working party has been established to discuss it, which was not on the table in the original resolution.

“It would not have been convened had Dundee voted ‘No’ as they had originally intended and this has to be a good thing and in the best interests of Dundee FC.

“We were therefore pleased to learn that John himself will be on that working group and gives proof, if any were needed that John and Tim Keyes are in this for the long haul.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms worked in best interests of both Dundee FC and Scottish football in general and got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

“The Dundee FC Supporters Association has had a good working relationship with Mr Nelms and his board in recent years and we are grateful that he responded to our request swiftly and satisfactorily and look forward to this relationship continuing in the future.”

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

Best deal possible!!!! 

This wasn’t about deals, this was a straight vote on the tabled resolution. So he freely admits they withheld their vote and negotiated a deal, after all the other clubs had voted. 
 

If Carlsberg did corrupt votes. 

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

35 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

JOINT RESPONSE GROUP UPDATE - 20 APRIL 2020

OPERATIONAL STEPS NECESSARY TO RESTART FOOTBALL LATER IN THE YEAR

As previously advised, the training and conditioning of football players at clubs has been suspended until further notice and at least until June 10.

None the less, the Joint Response Group understands that appropriate planning for the resumption of football in Scotland is vitally important. Restarting the game in an orderly fashion will be complex and will likely be done in line with ongoing restrictions by governments and UK Chief Medical Officer advice, even after the relaxation of lockdown.

A proper planning framework is essential to ensure the game is ready to return at the appropriate time, with necessary systems and infrastructure in place.

The Joint Response Group has therefore decided to set-up a number of sub-groups – each chaired by existing members - to get the best advice and identify best practice ahead of the restart of the game in Scotland. Experts and experienced individuals from clubs and other relevant organisations are now invited to work with the Joint Response Group to consider:

1. Medical Advice as it relates to football in Scotland - Chair, Dr John MacLean

2. Supporter Welfare - travel to matches, access to stadia, facilities within stadia, emergencies, unacceptable conduct - Co-chair, Ian Maxwell/Mike Mulraney

3. Club Operations, welfare and training of players, re-opening stadia, health and safety, matchday operations, support from emergency services, facilities for supporters, unacceptable conduct – Co-chair, Mike Mulraney/Ian Maxwell

4. Broadcasting - Chair, Neil Doncaster

5. Regulation - rules, competition rules, player registrations, legislation and other regulations -Chair, Calum Beattie

We have set up a task force to set up sub groups to do the sum total of hee haw. 
 

 

[Dickie1963 2,390]

I got something along the same lines from Scottish Amateur Association today

[Malkster 5,112]

2 hours ago, British_Empire said:

Royaume Uni........nil points

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,393]

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

[AdzKyle 8,607]

1 minute ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

How and when fans can return?’ FFS. That’s not for them to decide. These decisions will be made by government. 
Why have they really pulled out?!

[Hadron Collider 32,403]

4 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

HWFG.  

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

57 minutes ago, Malvern said:

They don't need to be sacked at this stage, just put out of duty until an Indy Investigation has ruled and then see who gets the sack.

If we have nothing we are back to the lowest league again but doubt it by the initial statement.

I'm talking about the suspending of 3 key spfl personnel, that's what Rangers have demanded. I've not said sacked. Is "put out of duty " the same as suspended?

On what grounds do you suspend / put out of duty key personnel at such a critical time based on a member saying theyve got evidence but not sharing it?  How does that disciplinary meeting go?

Theres lots that could be looked into based on what is in the public domain, but enough to suspend and instigate disciplinary proceedings? Nah

And if the scum said they wanted say the same trio or head of refereeing suspended due to something they had but wont share would you support their targets being suspended?

We're not getting demoted to L2 over this. Not a chance.

[bluenoz 32,505]

3 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

Personally, I think Dempster has something to tell, maybe even the whistleblower? I've thought this all along. Hibs have been too quiet.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

5 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

Imo she was doing her nosey as to what the proposed reconstruction plans are. Seen enough, not wasting more time with it.

[bornabear 6,270]

10 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Falling apart ?
 

 

 

 

Oh dear, it looks like they can't get on.

Nobody would be able to get on with it that prat Gray.

 

[magic8ball 27,904]

The task force full of Lieswell puppets ,any call for us to force regime change will have a allegation of ,oh look Rangers are holding us back 

[magic8ball 27,904]

6 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

I'm talking about suspending 3 key spfl personnel, that what Rangers have demanded. I've not said sacked. Is "put out of duty " the same as suspended?

On what grounds do you suspend / put out of duty key personnel at such a critical time based on a member saying theyve got evidence but not sharing it?  How does that disciplinary meeting go?

Theres lots that could be looked into based on what is in the public domain, but enough to suspend and instigate disciplinary proceedings? Nah

And if the scum said they wanted say the same trio or head of refereeing suspended due to something they had but wont share would you support their targets being suspended?

We're not getting demoted to L2 over this. Not a chance.

But they are having the internal investigation 

it’s not marking their own homework’s it’s more like asking the Mafia to tell us how many crimes they have committed or a self employed plumber doing cash jobs to do an above board tax return 

[Moody Blue Legend 63,435]

That started well then. 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

JOINT RESPONSE GROUP UPDATE - 20 APRIL 2020

OPERATIONAL STEPS NECESSARY TO RESTART FOOTBALL LATER IN THE YEAR

As previously advised, the training and conditioning of football players at clubs has been suspended until further notice and at least until June 10.

None the less, the Joint Response Group understands that appropriate planning for the resumption of football in Scotland is vitally important. Restarting the game in an orderly fashion will be complex and will likely be done in line with ongoing restrictions by governments and UK Chief Medical Officer advice, even after the relaxation of lockdown.

A proper planning framework is essential to ensure the game is ready to return at the appropriate time, with necessary systems and infrastructure in place.

The Joint Response Group has therefore decided to set-up a number of sub-groups – each chaired by existing members - to get the best advice and identify best practice ahead of the restart of the game in Scotland. Experts and experienced individuals from clubs and other relevant organisations are now invited to work with the Joint Response Group to consider:

1. Medical Advice as it relates to football in Scotland - Chair, Dr John MacLean

2. Supporter Welfare - travel to matches, access to stadia, facilities within stadia, emergencies, unacceptable conduct - Co-chair, Ian Maxwell/Mike Mulraney

3. Club Operations, welfare and training of players, re-opening stadia, health and safety, matchday operations, support from emergency services, facilities for supporters, unacceptable conduct – Co-chair, Mike Mulraney/Ian Maxwell

4. Broadcasting - Chair, Neil Doncaster

5. Regulation - rules, competition rules, player registrations, legislation and other regulations -Chair, Calum Beattie

ffs that's a bit arse for elbow?  Surely all that should have been in place before they started divvying up the pot and deciding who wins what???

Genuinely believe this lot would struggle to run a bowling club.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

6 minutes ago, magic8ball said:

But they are having the internal investigation 

it’s not marking their own homework’s it’s more like asking the Mafia to tell us how many crimes they have committed or a self employed plumber doing cash jobs to do an above board tax return 

Not disputing that. Nor us demanding the ii.

All I've said is it's a bit daft demanding someone is suspended for information you hold but wont share with others. A view we'd mock if someone else made similar demands with info they wouldn't disclose.

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

shambles

noun [ U ]

US  /ˈʃæm·bəlz/

 

a place or situation that is in a state of confusion or disorder: 

The morning after the party, the house was a complete shambles.

The strike-shortened basketball season was a shambles.

 

Shambles is also a messy or confused state: 

The candidate claimed that the economy was in (a) shambles.

 

 

 

The SPFL

the shambles than run Scottish football 

they are a shambles

[Sket 13,610]

8 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Not disputing that. Nor us demanding the ii.

All I've said is it's a bit daft demanding someone is suspended for information you hold but wont share with others. A view we'd mock if someone else made similar demands with info they wouldn't disclose.

'We want you's sacked'

 

'Why?'

 

'We're no telling anyone'

[King Jela 21,688]

1 minute ago, Sket said:

'We want you's sacked'

 

'Why?'

 

'We're no telling anyone'

That's well funny. Did you steal that patter from a Coatbridge boy? 

[Malvern 11,329]

24 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

I'm talking about suspending 3 key spfl personnel, that what Rangers have demanded. I've not said sacked. Is "put out of duty " the same as suspended?

On what grounds do you suspend / put out of duty key personnel at such a critical time based on a member saying theyve got evidence but not sharing it?  How does that disciplinary meeting go?

Theres lots that could be looked into based on what is in the public domain, but enough to suspend and instigate disciplinary proceedings? Nah

And if the scum said they wanted say the same trio or head of refereeing suspended due to something they had but wont share would you support their targets being suspended?

We're not getting demoted to L2 over this. Not a chance.

They all have someone below them to take over and will still get paid while sitting at home, they are accused so cannot be part of the process until they are proven innocent or guilty, well unless you are the SPFL.

[Sket 13,610]

5 minutes ago, King Jela said:

That's well funny. Did you steal that patter from a Coatbridge boy? 

Wit

[STEPPS BOY 77,612]

Leeann Dempster at Reconstruction meeting..

 

 

[Robmc1 4,741]

4 minutes ago, Malvern said:

They all have someone below them to take over and will still get paid while sitting at home, they are accused so cannot be part of the process until they are proven innocent or guilty, well unless you are the SPFL.

Exactly, any worthy corporate body or even public sector executive would stand down any senior staff member accused of corruption (on full pay I would haste until any evidence has been corroborated or discounted). This protects both the individual and organisation and can be deemed as good practice. The SPFL are flailing about here and this won’t go away regardless of how many self appointed enquiries of obviously primed people brought in to conduct them. Where is Doncaster in all of this, his silence speaks a thousand words...

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

13 minutes ago, Sket said:

'We want you's sacked'

 

'Why?'

 

'We're no telling anyone'

Suspended rather than sacked but yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.