Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[Inigo 32,526]

I hope we're adhering to social distancing rules better than the club's request for no abuse of the SPFL etc. Didn't last very long. 

[bornabear 6,202]

27 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

It's all getting really farcical and totally missing the point that smaller clubs need their money now. 

I can't see why the smaller clubs can't release a statement today saying they were of the opinion that funds could not be released unless the SPFL proposal was successful and having found that to be untrue they wish to have their money advanced now.

The smaller clubs have more power than Dundee to end money issues today, everything else can be debated later. Question is will they have the courage to ask for what's theirs?

Your first sentence says it all SH.

Folk are dying all over the world, but the spfl ( in their little bubble) are withholding vital money which will kill off the smaller clubs in Scotland.

 

[bluenoz 30,835]

Reconstruction is a waste of everyone's time as it never gets the vote required. They are merely stalling now, in hopes to put the cheating voting process behind them.

Sorry, but this is not going away. Rangers haven't even begun.

Democracy no longer exists in Scotland. We all know Dundee voted NO before 5pm and we all know Salmond is sex offender. Scots law, once revered, now a laughing stock.

[Trooblue 1,973]

50 minutes ago, tannerall said:

League reconstruction is quite simply being used as a cover, and  smokescreen for the initial fuck up. It wasn't high on the agenda a few weeks ago. The SPFL will try and run any reconstruction through now as an all new squeakily clean product, try and ignore the real issues, and present it as being in everyone's real interest. 

I know it's tempting for posters on here to highlight league reconstruction , even coming up with their own proposals, but basically we'd all do well to just continue calling out the current (and historical) corruption and probable illegality for what it is and concentrating on the  shady deals that have  been the 2nd biggest issue in the running of Scottish football since the beginning of the 21st century.

The biggest  issue of course being the child abuse allegations which have also still not been properly or competently  investigated. 

Absolutely right. They are using reconstruction the same way they are using the cash. - carrots to get the vote they want. 

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hume said:

Raith Rovers ...... wanting to fight anybody ...... only in a pandemic with strict distance restrictions could that mouthful of cock be true ...... 

🇬🇧

They'll be dancing in the streets of Raith tonight !

[Sweetheart 8,458]

Reconstruction issue a ‘red herring’ says Tatters

Elgin City chairman Graham Tatters believes the issue of league reconstruction should not be driving talks to end the lower league season. Dundee, who have still to cast their vote on the SPFL’s proposal to call the Championship, League 1 and League 2 season, yesterday revealed reconstruction talks were at the “forefront” of discussions held in recent days. Tatters feels reconstruction should be treated as a separate issue until consensus is found on the initial proposal, which the Borough Briggs outfit supported. Tatters said: “I think reconstruction is a knee-jerk reaction to what is happening. “We have discussed it as a board of directors, because it came up. We feel at this moment in time it’s not a subject to be discussed. “There’s a possibility some teams might not be able to survive this, so we need to get some consolidation and stability in the set up. “

They are two mutually exclusive items and one needs to be dealt with, so we know what we are doing next season, without bringing in league reconstruction which is a complete and utter minefield. “If we want to go for reconstruction after that we will get round the table and discuss it, but at the moment we just see it as a red herring to everything. “The people that want it are the people suffering from the resolution. “It’s not a thing that could be glossed over in a couple of weeks, I think it would take a while to sort it out.” Tatters hinted he would have concerns over any potential expansion to the SPFL set up, adding: “Every time it is mentioned people are flying in on social media about what the ideas should be and how you should do it. “

The last thing we want to lose is any home games, and we don’t particularly want to have the leagues made bigger when you’ve got more than 42 clubs, as that dilutes the revenue. “We are quite concerned about it if it happens.” Tatters says the Black and Whites, who are third in League 2 at present, stand by their vote in favour of the SPFL proposal. He added: “We voted for it because there was no way there was going to be play-offs. Once they were cancelled there was no point in having a battle for the sake of it.”

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/elgin-fc/2145196/reconstruction-issue-a-red-herring-says-tatters/

[chris182 6,290]

19 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

There is absolutely no way they are going to pass a vote for a 16 team league

I'm sure we are opposed to it, celtic are too (though might vote for it if they get a title out of it now) and all the other diddy clubs like Livi, Motherwell etc are opposed to it because they will lose money and have absolutely no reason to vote for it

Agreed. Most teams will only see two old firm gates a season. Why would they vote for that?

[esquire8 42,551]

15 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Just at a glance at the carefully orchestrated headlines today - are Dundee being flung under the bus by their erstwhile suitors?

 

I did say the day before yesterday that the would be. SPFL get out clause. It wasn't us, it was them.

[Malvern 11,329]

1 hour ago, NeoGeo7 said:

The thing is if you lie then there is a chance you fuck up and contradict yourself and I think that's what we'll see here.

This is why it started as "We didn't get the vote" then it became clear that this could easily be disproved so it changed to "We got it later on that evening, it was blocked by firewall", ok so if you got it then count it as a valid vote , then we get "Ah well, Mr Nelms said to disregard the vote"

SPFL should be removed from their offices and access to their network, laptops, PCs etc. until an independent investigation can be conducted. They simply cannot be trusted.

Hillary Clinton secret server, you're not getting shit from them and the police are too busy chasing people out of parks to give a fuck.

[tannerall 25,935]

I expect this to be a 3,000 pager.

Let's hope by page 2,000 the SPFL have actually begun an investigation.

[Bad Robot 21,149]

32 minutes ago, stu43rigger said:

If it takes an 11-1 vote for league reconstruction to take place then why don’t 2 current SPFL teams contact Dundee and advise them that they would vote against any reconstruction proposal, that would render any positive discussions that Dundee and the SPFL have had over the weekend completely pointless 

but how many does it take to pass a resolution on changing the reconstruction votes and timescales.

[KingKirk 25,633]

Doesn't reconstruction require a 2year notice period ?

Also how would reconstruction fit in with the brand new tv deal from next season?

[bluenoz 30,835]

2 minutes ago, tannerall said:

I expect this to be a 3,000 pager.

Let's hope by page 2,000 the SPFL have actually begun an investigation.

You mean - being investigated 🙂

[bornabear 6,202]

1 minute ago, tannerall said:

I expect this to be a 3,000 pager.

Let's hope by page 2,000 the SPFL have actually begun an investigation.

I think that by page 2000, I see the divorce rate going through the roof, with RM being  a co-respondent in all cases.

[KingKirk 25,633]

3 hours ago, eejay the dj said:

We can’t be so self congratulatory Kirk .Not yet .Other clubs like Partick have done everything yesterday  

No celebration mate just pointing out it's took one statement and look absolute madness. 

This is a long fight ahead but we've got them running.

[Sweetheart 8,458]

Raith Rovers call for immediate end to 2019/20 SPFL season

Raith Rovers have called for swift action to terminate the season as Dundee continue to ponder their casting vote. Dundee claimed on Tuesday they had held positive talks over reconstruction and were acting in Scottish football’s interests as well as their own. But League One leaders Rovers have urged the Taysiders to back plans to end the lower three Scottish Professional Football League divisions – and possibly the Premiership at a later date – in order for formal talks over a reorganisation of the league to begin.

A statement read: “We have, from the very start of this process, supported the idea of league reconstruction and have made this clear in all our communications. “The SPFL documentation received by all clubs on Wednesday 8th April made it clear that declaring the season ended was the only way to achieve distribution of funds and to then proceed to the next stage. “Several clubs wanted a guarantee that reconstruction would happen – this could not be given as it is not within the gift of the SPFL.

“Any decision on reconstruction requires a vote by all 42 member clubs. We were clear that this had to happen as soon as possible after the first vote.” Rovers would back an extended Premiership of 14 teams with Highland League champions Brora and newly-crowned Lowland League title winners Kelty Hearts joining League Two. “However, this cannot be considered until stage one of the process is completed,” they said.

“Our position is clear! We want the 2019-20 season declared over, funds distributed and discussion about reconstruction to start very soon.

We want the 2019-20 season declared over, funds distributed and discussion about reconstruction to start very soon. “Any attempt to deem the 2019/20 season null and void and deny us being named as winners of League 1 and/or not promoted will be vigorously resisted.” However, Partick Thistle had earlier claimed their legal advice was that Dundee’s initial ‘no’ vote – which arrived with the SPFL after they asked for more time – must stand. The SPFL board is set to hold further talks on Wednesday over the impasse.

https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/sport/national/18380141.raith-rovers-call-immediate-end-2019-20-spfl-season/

[esquire8 42,551]

7 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Doesn't reconstruction require a 2year notice period ?

Also how would reconstruction fit in with the brand new tv deal from next season?

This will be over before they even get reconstruction on the table.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

2 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

No celebration mate just pointing out it's took one statement and look absolute madness. 

This is a long fight ahead but we've got them running.

 I just don't want us getting ahead of ourselves . The cabal , no matter what we think , could yet wiggle out of all this . We all know that 

[6superbarry6 14,159]

Raith are shameless bastards, hopefully another season in league 1 finishes the cunts off 

[the cry was no 3,034]

I had a really strange dream......... don't laugh..

I dreamt that Partck Thistle had sought QC level advice and it turned out that 

> The SPFL had deliberately misled and lied to their members about the only way they could be paid what they were due - saying that they MUST vote for a contrived resolution

> That legally the "lost" vote of Dundee actually stands as it was sent within the timeline specified

> That the SPFL rules don't allow the season to be ended and teams relegated (or teams awarded titles that haven't been won) without all 38 fixtures being completed

> That the SPFL board went against their own guidelines and exerted undue (indeed any) pressure on members to pass their resolution

> That the resolution should be stood down on any or all of the above

Now that would have been sensational and produced HUGE headlines in every mhedia outlet, but alas I woke up and there's no mention of it anywhere that I can see so it was all just a weird dream

[BearInTheToon 1,577]

13 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Doesn't reconstruction require a 2year notice period ?

Also how would reconstruction fit in with the brand new tv deal from next season?

Just posted the same in the reconstruction thread a couple of minutes ago. Shows you how corrupt it is that they have no issues in it rushing it through and bribing clubs along the way to ensure celtic get their title. 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

4 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

Raith Rovers call for immediate end to 2019/20 SPFL season

Raith Rovers have called for swift action to terminate the season as Dundee continue to ponder their casting vote. Dundee claimed on Tuesday they had held positive talks over reconstruction and were acting in Scottish football’s interests as well as their own. But League One leaders Rovers have urged the Taysiders to back plans to end the lower three Scottish Professional Football League divisions – and possibly the Premiership at a later date – in order for formal talks over a reorganisation of the league to begin.

A statement read: “We have, from the very start of this process, supported the idea of league reconstruction and have made this clear in all our communications. “The SPFL documentation received by all clubs on Wednesday 8th April made it clear that declaring the season ended was the only way to achieve distribution of funds and to then proceed to the next stage. “Several clubs wanted a guarantee that reconstruction would happen – this could not be given as it is not within the gift of the SPFL.

“Any decision on reconstruction requires a vote by all 42 member clubs. We were clear that this had to happen as soon as possible after the first vote.” Rovers would back an extended Premiership of 14 teams with Highland League champions Brora and newly-crowned Lowland League title winners Kelty Hearts joining League Two. “However, this cannot be considered until stage one of the process is completed,” they said.

“Our position is clear! We want the 2019-20 season declared over, funds distributed and discussion about reconstruction to start very soon.

We want the 2019-20 season declared over, funds distributed and discussion about reconstruction to start very soon. “Any attempt to deem the 2019/20 season null and void and deny us being named as winners of League 1 and/or not promoted will be vigorously resisted.” However, Partick Thistle had earlier claimed their legal advice was that Dundee’s initial ‘no’ vote – which arrived with the SPFL after they asked for more time – must stand. The SPFL board is set to hold further talks on Wednesday over the impasse.

https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/sport/national/18380141.raith-rovers-call-immediate-end-2019-20-spfl-season/

They've changed their statement 

[Colin Traive 22,749]

8 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

No celebration mate just pointing out it's took one statement and look absolute madness. 

This is a long fight ahead but we've got them running.

[DMax399 3,698]

14 minutes ago, tannerall said:

I expect this to be a 3,000 pager.

Let's hope by page 2,000 the SPFL have actually begun an investigation.

I agree, but let’s be honest I don’t see the SPFL submitting to an independent or external investigation at any point.  It would have to be forced upon them.  

[Prso's headband 35,439]

I love how reconstruction is now the new buzzword in the hope that something different from the current set up will sway clubs to go along with it. 
 

Nothing screams corruption like using a final league standings vote to talk to 1 club about league reconstruction that involves 15 others. 
 

The SPFL themselves state it takes 2 years to implement. 
 

Think Sky will sit on their arses after getting the TV deal and getting their OF games cut in half due to reconstruction so that Dundee can play Livingston instead? 😂. 
 

The media are predictably starting to lose sight of the original issues which is that the SPFL published votes before the standings were final, that Peter Lawwell has undue influence and that the SPFL have lied about being able to release some form of funds to members. That is the issues here, nothing else and that is why it doesn’t matter if it’s us or all the way down to Edinburgh City that voice concern over this scandal, the fact that it needs to remain in the public eye is paramount. There’s about 8 clubs now voiced their concern, I fully expect another 3-5 today. That would be 25% of member clubs not happy with the vote, which is a fact- not the 85% nonsense that’s starting to creep in now