Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

12 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

Sportsmail has learnt that a number of clubs also have concerns, which they are prepared to take to the police if necessary. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8212711/Police-probe-Scottish-vote-voiding-season-Dundee-failed-register-vote.html

 

Yeah had seen that, it mentions it in the title but nothing about it in the body of the article.  Was hoping I'd missed specific quotes rather than just speculation. 👍

[Sweetheart 8,458]

8 minutes ago, pcbear said:

That article is from 12/04/2020

Yep I was linking where the police had been mentioned before for SIMA and where it referenced 'sportsmail had learnt'.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

10 minutes ago, dummiesoot said:

To be fair to the Scottish police force, their competence matches that of the SPFL, there would be nothing found after a series of fuck ups. These would be beaten only by the series of fuck ups that allowed Whyte to walk free from court. 

Would anyone on here trust the police to carry out a proper and thorough investigation without fuck ups?

That's harsh. They did a good job on bringing those responsible for the hanging effigies to trial.

Not their fault the effigies then miraculously resurrected themselves from being hung and walked out of the Court Productions Vault prior to trial. It's a miracle I tell ye.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

19 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Neil Doncaster phones Les Gray 

“Les it’s Neil I was just wondering how you were planning on voting?”

Les Gray

”Not sure yet Neil, still thinking about it, why?”

N.D

”No reason but we need to finish it ASAP because we want to give out the title, btw we are thinking of banning plastic pitches, that will cost you a fortune to go back to grass right?”

L.G

”Say no more, I’m voting yes”

N.D

”Cheers Les and you can get a place on the reconstruction board, just keep towing the party line”.

That kind of thing would not be surprising 👍

 

Only believing this to be true if Doncaster spoke with a Nigerian accent.

[stfu 596]

9 minutes ago, dummiesoot said:

To be fair to the Scottish police force, their competence matches that of the SPFL, there would be nothing found after a series of fuck ups. These would be beaten only by the series of fuck ups that allowed Whyte to walk free from court. 

Would anyone on here trust the police to carry out a proper and thorough investigation without fuck ups?

This is a police force that managed to conveniently lose the evidence from the hanging effigies.

This is also the same courts that managed to lose a prosecution against a man who's own lawyers had already settled for £24Million over fraud allegations. 

Both cases stink and lead any normal person to question the integrity of both establishments.  

[eejay the dj 31,964]

44 minutes ago, dummiesoot said:

To be fair to the Scottish police force, their competence matches that of the SPFL, there would be nothing found after a series of fuck ups. These would be beaten only by the series of fuck ups that allowed Whyte to walk free from court. 

Would anyone on here trust the police to carry out a proper and thorough investigation without fuck ups?

Not me .In fact these fuckers would probably help them cover it all up .100% 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

11 minutes ago, stfu said:

This is a police force that managed to conveniently lose the evidence from the hanging effigies.

This is also the same courts that managed to lose a prosecution against a man who's own lawyers had already settled for £24Million over fraud allegations. 

Both cases stink and lead any normal person to question the integrity of both establishments.  

I think it’s probably more the PF who are rhancid from top to bottom ,filled with bheasts .Glasgow City Council/HMRC  style .

I think the gestapo are probably still 50/50 in amongst the foot soldiers .At the top where they created One Police Scotland is where I think they will have all their heavyweights .Chief commanders etc .Decision makers 

Working in partnership with the PF of course 

That is my thoughts 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

23 minutes ago, stfu said:

This is a police force that managed to conveniently lose the evidence from the hanging effigies.

This is also the same courts that managed to lose a prosecution against a man who's own lawyers had already settled for £24Million over fraud allegations. 

Both cases stink and lead any normal person to question the integrity of both establishments.  

Tbf it was the Court that lost the effigies.

Just waiting for the results back from the guy heading the independent investigation into it all

 

[Sweetheart 8,458]

 

Dundee Evening Telegraph

by George Cran

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A Dundee fans group are “happy and satisfied” chief John Nelms acted in the best intentions of the club after clear-the-air talks. 

The Dark Blues managing director took centre stage in the pantomime that has engulfed Scottish football following the SPFL’s proposed plan to end the 2019-20 season in the lower divisions and dish out much-needed prize money.

That was after the American’s initially-intended “no” vote changed to a “yes” to allow the resolution to pass in exchange for firm promises on league reconstruction five days later. That sparked an outcry from the club’s fans over the U-turn which saw Dundee United crowned Championship winners.

And the Dundee Supporters Association – which is made up of 34 clubs comprising 1,000 members – sent an email to the Dens supremo asking for “clarity” over the change in position and how it would benefit the Dark Blues.

Nelms responded with a club statement to reiterate he “got the best deal possible out of a situation that was going to be bad for us in any iteration proposed” and followed that up with a phone conversation with DSA chairman Kenny Ross.

The DSA committee then released a statement stating they were pleased that the push for league reconstruction shows Nelms and owner Tim Keyes “are in this for the long haul”.

The statement included: “We were pleased that the club not only released an updated statement later that day but that managing director John Nelms also personally contacted a member of the DSA committee by phone.

“Mr Nelms was more than able to adequately explain the club’s thought processes and position and demonstrate how he was able to get the best possible outcome for Dundee Football Club in an impossible situation.

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear to the DSA that Mr Nelms has worked tirelessly since and as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“With regards to league reconstruction we suspect that none of the 42 SPFL chairman (sic) pushed harder for it than John Nelms and, as a result, a working party has been established to discuss it, which was not on the table in the original resolution.

“It would not have been convened had Dundee voted ‘No’ as they had originally intended and this has to be a good thing and in the best interests of Dundee FC.

“We were therefore pleased to learn that John himself will be on that working group and gives proof, if any were needed that John and Tim Keyes are in this for the long haul.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms worked in best interests of both Dundee FC and Scottish football in general and got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

“The Dundee FC Supporters Association has had a good working relationship with Mr Nelms and his board in recent years and we are grateful that he responded to our request swiftly and satisfactorily and look forward to this relationship continuing in the future.”

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

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2 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

 

Dundee Evening Telegraph

by George Cran

----------------------------------

A Dundee fans group are “happy and satisfied” chief John Nelms acted in the best intentions of the club after clear-the-air talks. 

The Dark Blues managing director took centre stage in the pantomime that has engulfed Scottish football following the SPFL’s proposed plan to end the 2019-20 season in the lower divisions and dish out much-needed prize money.

That was after the American’s initially-intended “no” vote changed to a “yes” to allow the resolution to pass in exchange for firm promises on league reconstruction five days later. That sparked an outcry from the club’s fans over the U-turn which saw Dundee United crowned Championship winners.

And the Dundee Supporters Association – which is made up of 34 clubs comprising 1,000 members – sent an email to the Dens supremo asking for “clarity” over the change in position and how it would benefit the Dark Blues.

Nelms responded with a club statement to reiterate he “got the best deal possible out of a situation that was going to be bad for us in any iteration proposed” and followed that up with a phone conversation with DSA chairman Kenny Ross.

The DSA committee then released a statement stating they were pleased that the push for league reconstruction shows Nelms and owner Tim Keyes “are in this for the long haul”.

The statement included: “We were pleased that the club not only released an updated statement later that day but that managing director John Nelms also personally contacted a member of the DSA committee by phone.

“Mr Nelms was more than able to adequately explain the club’s thought processes and position and demonstrate how he was able to get the best possible outcome for Dundee Football Club in an impossible situation.

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear to the DSA that Mr Nelms has worked tirelessly since and as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“With regards to league reconstruction we suspect that none of the 42 SPFL chairman (sic) pushed harder for it than John Nelms and, as a result, a working party has been established to discuss it, which was not on the table in the original resolution.

“It would not have been convened had Dundee voted ‘No’ as they had originally intended and this has to be a good thing and in the best interests of Dundee FC.

“We were therefore pleased to learn that John himself will be on that working group and gives proof, if any were needed that John and Tim Keyes are in this for the long haul.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms worked in best interests of both Dundee FC and Scottish football in general and got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

“The Dundee FC Supporters Association has had a good working relationship with Mr Nelms and his board in recent years and we are grateful that he responded to our request swiftly and satisfactorily and look forward to this relationship continuing in the future.”

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

😅😅😅😅

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

52 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Only believing this to be true if Doncaster spoke with a Nigerian accent.

Robert Downey Jnr in Tropic Thunder style 😂

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8 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Robert Downey Jnr in Tropic Thunder style 😂

👍🏻 Les Gray likes this.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

8 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear.... as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms......got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

Summarised.

[bluedart1952 1,392]

5 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

 

Dundee Evening Telegraph

by George Cran

----------------------------------

A Dundee fans group are “happy and satisfied” chief John Nelms acted in the best intentions of the club after clear-the-air talks. 

The Dark Blues managing director took centre stage in the pantomime that has engulfed Scottish football following the SPFL’s proposed plan to end the 2019-20 season in the lower divisions and dish out much-needed prize money.

That was after the American’s initially-intended “no” vote changed to a “yes” to allow the resolution to pass in exchange for firm promises on league reconstruction five days later.

That sparked an outcry from the club’s fans over the U-turn which saw Dundee United crowned Championship winners.

And the Dundee Supporters Association – which is made up of 34 clubs comprising 1,000 members – sent an email to the Dens supremo asking for “clarity” over the change in position and how it would benefit the Dark Blues.

Nelms responded with a club statement to reiterate he “got the best deal possible out of a situation that was going to be bad for us in any iteration proposed” and followed that up with a phone conversation with DSA chairman Kenny Ross.

The DSA committee then released a statement stating they were pleased that the push for league reconstruction shows Nelms and owner Tim Keyes “are in this for the long haul”.

The statement included: “We were pleased that the club not only released an updated statement later that day but that managing director John Nelms also personally contacted a member of the DSA committee by phone.

“Mr Nelms was more than able to adequately explain the club’s thought processes and position and demonstrate how he was able to get the best possible outcome for Dundee Football Club in an impossible situation.

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear to the DSA that Mr Nelms has worked tirelessly since and as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“With regards to league reconstruction we suspect that none of the 42 SPFL chairman (sic) pushed harder for it than John Nelms and, as a result, a working party has been established to discuss it, which was not on the table in the original resolution.

“It would not have been convened had Dundee voted ‘No’ as they had originally intended and this has to be a good thing and in the best interests of Dundee FC.

“We were therefore pleased to learn that John himself will be on that working group and gives proof, if any were needed that John and Tim Keyes are in this for the long haul.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms worked in best interests of both Dundee FC and Scottish football in general and got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

“The Dundee FC Supporters Association has had a good working relationship with Mr Nelms and his board in recent years and we are grateful that he responded to our request swiftly and satisfactorily and look forward to this relationship continuing in the future.”

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

Their club is  morally corrupt, and the fan group are  devoid of reasoning.

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

18 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

 

Dundee Evening Telegraph

by George Cran

----------------------------------

A Dundee fans group are “happy and satisfied” chief John Nelms acted in the best intentions of the club after clear-the-air talks. 

The Dark Blues managing director took centre stage in the pantomime that has engulfed Scottish football following the SPFL’s proposed plan to end the 2019-20 season in the lower divisions and dish out much-needed prize money.

That was after the American’s initially-intended “no” vote changed to a “yes” to allow the resolution to pass in exchange for firm promises on league reconstruction five days later. That sparked an outcry from the club’s fans over the U-turn which saw Dundee United crowned Championship winners.

And the Dundee Supporters Association – which is made up of 34 clubs comprising 1,000 members – sent an email to the Dens supremo asking for “clarity” over the change in position and how it would benefit the Dark Blues.

Nelms responded with a club statement to reiterate he “got the best deal possible out of a situation that was going to be bad for us in any iteration proposed” and followed that up with a phone conversation with DSA chairman Kenny Ross.

The DSA committee then released a statement stating they were pleased that the push for league reconstruction shows Nelms and owner Tim Keyes “are in this for the long haul”.

The statement included: “We were pleased that the club not only released an updated statement later that day but that managing director John Nelms also personally contacted a member of the DSA committee by phone.

“Mr Nelms was more than able to adequately explain the club’s thought processes and position and demonstrate how he was able to get the best possible outcome for Dundee Football Club in an impossible situation.

“When Dundee realised their vote hadn’t been cast on April 10, the dynamic changed and it is clear to the DSA that Mr Nelms has worked tirelessly since and as a result of the SPFL releasing the results of the ballot before all of the member votes were in, was put in an unfair, undemocratic and difficult position.

“With regards to league reconstruction we suspect that none of the 42 SPFL chairman (sic) pushed harder for it than John Nelms and, as a result, a working party has been established to discuss it, which was not on the table in the original resolution.

“It would not have been convened had Dundee voted ‘No’ as they had originally intended and this has to be a good thing and in the best interests of Dundee FC.

“We were therefore pleased to learn that John himself will be on that working group and gives proof, if any were needed that John and Tim Keyes are in this for the long haul.

“The DSA are therefore happy and satisfied that Mr Nelms worked in best interests of both Dundee FC and Scottish football in general and got the best possible outcome for our club in a very difficult situation.

“The Dundee FC Supporters Association has had a good working relationship with Mr Nelms and his board in recent years and we are grateful that he responded to our request swiftly and satisfactorily and look forward to this relationship continuing in the future.”

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-fc-john-nelms-phone-call-spfl-vote/

The first bit in red is fair enough, and entirely expected and understandable in the circumstances....the bold red bit is just a fop and downright lies.

[scottyscott1963 19,144]

10 hours ago, Sweetheart said:

I think he's spot on not revealing anything until a independent inquiry is given. The clubs already highlighted their feelings of any possible panel members with the Private eye mag. How can Rangers trust another one of their kangaroo courts after those who sat on the last one tried to strip our titles and forced an unlawful embargo on the club. 

Slanty eyes looking for a heads up on what could be heading in his direction. 
Imagine playing poker with a cunt who asked you what you were holding. 

My preference will to be to wipe out these horrible despicable cunts from the streets of Glasgow.
Woulda thought if this shower of treacherous tramps were in a hole they would stop 
Really hope this is the beginning of the end of their stranglehold of Scottish Football. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

The only thing I'd say we've erred is to call for folk to step down or be suspended without providing the reasons why. 

I get that we dont want to show our hand, and are right to demand impartiality and independent investigation, but if the scum demanded folk were sacked without saying why we would all likely find it absurd.

We've said there's integrity issues, by those named, imo it's right to demand an ii but that's it until the evidence is delivered. 

Tin hat on.

[scottyscott1963 19,144]

1 hour ago, dummiesoot said:

To be fair to the Scottish police force, their competence matches that of the SPFL, there would be nothing found after a series of fuck ups. These would be beaten only by the series of fuck ups that allowed Whyte to walk free from court. 

Would anyone on here trust the police to carry out a proper and thorough investigation without fuck ups?

 

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

That's harsh. They did a good job on bringing those responsible for the hanging effigies to trial.

Not their fault the effigies then miraculously resurrected themselves from being hung and walked out of the Court Productions Vault prior to trial. It's a miracle I tell ye.

 

1 hour ago, eejay the dj said:

Not me .In fact these fuckers would probably help them cover it all up .100% 

Who can forget the number the bastards done on The Rangers fans before,during and after the 2016 CF,and actually accused Rangers fans of putting their kids in front of the long line of shirkers sleeping in a convoy of 30 vans full of plod,when they were asked "where were you" when the hivs scum caused absolute fuckin mayhem,even assaulting our players on the park.
Don't forget a 9 year old kid got fuckin bottled and the perpetrator is still walking the streets.
Absolutely NO confidence in this lot,about anything concerning plod and us. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

19 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

The only thing I'd say we've erred is to call for folk to step down or be suspended without providing the reasons why. 

I get that we dont want to show our hand, and are right to demand impartiality and independent investigation, but if the scum demanded folk were sacked without saying why we would all likely find it absurd.

We've said there's integrity issues, by those named, imo it's right to demand an ii but that's it until the evidence is delivered. 

Tin hat on.

Dougie mcdonald had to resign when the scum demanded he was sacked . The media helped them with that mind

Dallas sacked over an email , no doubts it would have been the scum calling for it  . There will probably be plenty more of these while the were taking control of our game up here

[Jb85 1,786]

UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin has insisted it's still too early to end the season as the Scottish Premiership this week prepares to declare celtic champions.

The SPFL are waiting for UEFA to hold a conference call with their 55 members and then host an Executive Committee meeting before making any official announcement about the 2019/20 Premiership.

Last week, they declared the lower leagues over, resulting in Dundee United being crowned Championship winners, Raith Rovers the League One champions and Cove Rangers the winners of League Two.

But UEFA chief Ceferin, in an interview with an Italian newspaper, continues to insist football will be back soon behind closed doors and also believes Scotland's national team will return to action in September.

He said: "The priority is the health of fans, players and managers.

"I am an optimist by nature and I believe there are options that can allow us to start championships and complete them.

"We may have to play without spectators, but the most important thing I think is playing games. In such hard times it would bring people happiness and a certain sense of normality, even if the matches will only be on TV.

"It is early to say that we cannot complete the season. The impact would be terrible for clubs and leagues.

"We can finish, but we must respect the decisions of the authorities and wait for permission to return to play.

"It depends on when it will recover, if we can do it soon enough, leagues and cups could be played in parallel.

"There is no deadline for the Champions League and Europa League and there are no deadlines for the 2019/20 season.

It all depends on when we start playing again.

"And I'd also say the national teams could start playing in September.

"As for individual leagues and their decisions, football is interconnected, we have seen how important it is for UEFA and leagues to cooperate. The Executive Committee will review the cases."

And Ceferin is convinced football will return to normal one day.

He stressed: "If the security measures are respected and the authorities give a green light, training can resume. For matches, you will need further consent.

"The authorities will only allow football to start again if these measures are taken efficiently and without harming the population.

"At first, it will be behind closed doors, but it is better to play without spectators than not to do it at all.

"Football would bring back the emotions and joy they desperately need in the homes of fans.

"The measures will be for a limited period, over time we will return to normal.

"We will still see full stadiums, I am sure of it."

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

2 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Dougie mcdonald had to resign when the scum demanded he was sacked . The media helped them with that mind

Dallas sacked over an email , no doubts it would have been the scum calling for it  . There will probably be plenty more of these while the were taking control of our game up here

Think both were after the evidence was in the public domain.  We're asking for officials to be suspended for something we know about but wont tell those to be suspended / those who can suspend others the reasons for the suspension.

I know we've done it aligned to the demand for an ii, I'm just saying it's weird to do so without the ii being granted or the evidence produced. How can we actually expect anyone to be suspended given the current circumstances? 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Think both were after the evidence was in the public domain.  We're asking for officials to be suspended for something we know about but wont tell those to be suspended / those who can suspend others the reasons for the suspension.

I know we've done it aligned to the demand for an ii, I'm just saying it's weird to do so without the ii being granted or the evidence produced. How can we actually expect anyone to be suspended given the current circumstances? 

Good point .That is the reason we are clearly trying to get the pressure on and ultimately get them to bow to any demands . Not counting on that happening mind 

I think they are bombproof . I hope to be proved wrong 

[Inigo 33,338]

1 hour ago, stfu said:

This is a police force that managed to conveniently lose the evidence from the hanging effigies.

This is also the same courts that managed to lose a prosecution against a man who's own lawyers had already settled for £24Million over fraud allegations. 

Both cases stink and lead any normal person to question the integrity of both establishments.  

Folk should remember that the way that part of society took a stranglehold in these kinds or organisations was first off to encourage their wains into law, journalism and politics. If folk are concerned, they should consider encouraging their wains to aim big and make a difference.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,399]

7 minutes ago, Jb85 said:

"As for individual leagues and their decisions, football is interconnected, we have seen how important it is for UEFA and leagues to cooperate. The Executive Committee will review the cases."
 

I really do suspect at least part of our evidence is based on guidance the spfl have been given in relation to concluding leagues that they have chosen to ignore to find an option that gives the scum the title.

[GersInCanada 7,775]

The call to have SPFL board members removed was, I believe, simply the opening salvo in the battle for an independent inquiry. 

The time to present evidence is to that inquiry. SPFL would simply sweep sweep.