Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[Malkster 4,870]

1 hour ago, The Ibrox Derry said:

From the BBC Sport website 

 

The SPFL says an inquiry it ordered into Dundee's vote on the resolution to end the lower leagues has found "no evidence of improper behaviour".

Dundee had submitted a no vote which the league initially said was never received, before changing to a yes.

That switch proved decisive and the lower leagues were finished early.

Scottish Premiership clubs Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen want an investigation into the whole process, not just Dundee's vote.

"Deloitte's examination of phone records, mobile communications (including texts) and email data has identified no evidence of improper behaviour by SPFL personnel concerning the submission of the Dundee FC vote," the SPFL's independent non-executive director Karyn McCluskey wrote in a letter to clubs.

"I hope that Scottish football will now focus on the significant issues that face our game, otherwise many clubs may not survive this period."

Rangers were the first club to call for an independent investigation after claiming they had evidence from a "whistleblower" of a lack of "fair play" as well as "bullying and coercion" of clubs to vote in favour of the proposals.

The Ibrox club called for the suspension of SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster and legal advisor Rod Mackenzie.

Hearts echoed the call for an inquiry with owner Ann Budge saying the league tried to "unduly influence" the outcome of the plans, and Aberdeen chairman Dave Cormack said a probe was required to restore fans' faith in the process.

The inquiry commissioned by the SPFL and carried out by auditors Deloitte, looked at "the factual chronology relating to Dundee FC's return".

The resolution was backed by over 80% of Scotland's 42 senior clubs and gives the SPFL board the authority to prematurely end the Premiership.

The league's letter to clubs added the inquiry by Deloitte was ordered "to ensure complete probity and independence during this process".

What happened with the voting?

After the SPFL released the results of the poll shortly after the 1700 BST deadline on Friday 10 April, it emerged three clubs were yet to vote on the resolution.

The most significant was Championship side Dundee, because the league had already garnered enough votes from the Premiership and Leagues One and Two to pass the plans.

BBC Scotland were then given a photograph of a voting slip signed by Dundee's managing director John Nelms which signalled the club were going to vote no, and other clubs confirmed Dundee had told them that was their intention.

Inverness Caledonian Thistle chief executive Scot Gardiner then revealed Dundee secretary Eric Drysdale had intimated via WhatsApp that the Dens Park club had sent in their 'no' ballot.

But the league said it never arrived, and that instead they had received a message from Dundee saying they should not consider their vote cast.

Five days later Dundee backed the league's plans which allowed the lower leagues to be called. You can read a full breakdown of events here .

'We only have more questions' - analysis

BBC Scotland's chief sportswriter Tom English

Despite trumpeting their "comprehensive", "independent" and "forensic" investigation the SPFL have left themselves wide open to criticism, which may now come in waves. This has been a farrago with many layers, the controversy surrounding Dundee's no note which became a cancelled vote which became a yes vote being just one of them.

The SPFL investigation has not answered any of the important questions around the Dundee voting affair. Why did they change their vote and go with the SPFL resolution? Who did they speak to before changing it? Were they put under any pressure to change it? It this investigation was forensic then we'd have answers. We only have more questions.

The other layers to all of this are to do with the clubs suggesting that they were put under undue pressure to vote yes. Rangers have mentioned bullying. No other club has gone that far, but Hearts, Aberdeen and Falkirk have joined Rangers in calling for a fully independent inquiry to looking it all corners of this debacle and there are other clubs that say they will reveal details of being leaned on to vote yes if they are asked to by an independent examiner. The SPFL want that stuff to go away.

None of what these clubs have read in this missive from Hampden is likely to sate their desire for further examination of the SPFL's behaviour. It's needed now more than ever.

looks like another threat to me!

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

See bheasts on twitter saying “Rangers have nothing, if they did they would have said so by now”

And all I think is they are fucking stupid if they think Rangers will just spill it outside any inquiry.

Then I come on here and see some of our own coming out with the same shite. Fuck me man.

[bluenoz 30,681]

I know people want answers right away, me too but I don't think Rangers have made a bad statement since Park became chairman and Graham arrived. We are finally fighting this corrupt cabal. Doesn't mean we will win but at least we are standing up.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

14 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

If you detest the weak, pathetic clubs then why not go for it? I don't understand your point.

I don't see why it has to be either/or either. Submit the legal challenge and it's in the hands of our legal reps. 

There's no better way to get change, the change you mention than seeing these clubs start going bust and the real serious questions being asked why that's happened. 

Sure there will be the usual ones who will blame us, but who gives us a fuck. This was our one chance to go nuclear on Scottish football since 2012 and we never done it.

We never and that boat has sailed possibly . So now we have to stay positive and hope our board know what they are doing 

[DMax399 3,685]

2 minutes ago, Malkster said:

looks like another threat to me!

She ignores the biggest threat, which is a board that she is part of, not being trusted.

[Robmc1 4,741]

10 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

A disgusting decease that can only be eradicated with careful planning 

👏👏👍

[Dickie1963 2,352]

9 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

See bheasts on twitter saying “Rangers have nothing, if they did they would have said so by now”

And all I think is they are fucking stupid if they think Rangers will just spill it outside any inquiry.

Then I come on here and see some of our own coming out with the same shite. Fuck me man.

Dont read their sh!te.

 

[dummiesoot 16,000]

34 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said:

I now see the clubs statement.

 

What are we going to do if there is no further independent investigation or it goes to the clubs and they vote down a further investigation... sit on the evidence indefinitely?

You are a fucking annoying twat. See if, what if, when If , who if...

Honest to fuck give it a rest, same fucking post with different words every time. 

I get the impression you want us to fail, just so you can gloat, laugh, whatfuckingever.

[TamCoopz 19,605]

Just now, dummiesoot said:

You are a fucking annoying twat. See if, what if, when If , who if...

Honest to fuck give it a rest, same fucking post with different words every time. 

I get the impression you want us to fail, just so you can gloat, laugh, whatfuckingever.

Just ban the cunt

[gazza27 15,281]

1 minute ago, dummiesoot said:

You are a fucking annoying twat. See if, what if, when If , who if...

Honest to fuck give it a rest, same fucking post with different words every time. 

I get the impression you want us to fail, just so you can gloat, laugh, whatfuckingever.

He's a tarrier get him binned

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 minute ago, dummiesoot said:

You are a fucking annoying twat. See if, what if, when If , who if...

Honest to fuck give it a rest, same fucking post with different words every time. 

I get the impression you want us to fail, just so you can gloat, laugh, whatfuckingever.

Could almost be the Dude  Oh wait 

[esquire8 42,337]

Still be amazed if the SPFL agree to the GM. Only adds to their guilt after that shocker of a release about their own investigation. Don't know if the clubs can force the issue if this request is turned down.

[dummiesoot 16,000]

2 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Could almost be the Dude  Oh wait 

I actually think he is worse than the dude, always been suspicious,  whereas with the dude I reckon he just likes being devils advocate 

[eosmhdo 1,879]

2 hours ago, chris182 said:

How? It wasn't a full investigation into the whole vote, just one extremely dodgy part. It answers nothing.

I’ve got no answer for you, I stick by my post.  

[esquire8 42,337]

Just now, dummiesoot said:

I actually think he is worse than the dude, always been suspicious,  whereas with the dude I reckon he just likes being devils advocate 

The Dude was just speaking common sense 90% of the time. This cunt is just being a cunt. Tarrier like? I'm not too sure.

[BlueKnight87 17,280]

20 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I know people want answers right away, me too but I don't think Rangers have made a bad statement since Park became chairman and Graham arrived. We are finally fighting this corrupt cabal. Doesn't mean we will win but at least we are standing up.

Agreed the statements have been a lot better than the traynor crap. 

Club aren't backing off and that's something we've all wanted. It's going to be a long term battle this and club need to box smart. 

Hopefully mate when it's all said and done our detractors are eating their words. 

[esquire8 42,337]

39 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

No chance ffs . Why should we give them any leverage . Playing the long game , while there is no football , is ok with me . As long as there is clear intention and action at the end of this 

Our long game can only go so long though. We need to get this pushed along before a ball is kicked on the pitch again. Hopefully the SPFL can be forced into having an independent investigation against them without having them to authorise a GM of clubs to vote for one.

[Vision 16,725]

Surely with this farce of an investigation more Scottish teams should be backing Rangers and calling the corruption out. 

We are right to withhold this evidence because it looks like the SPFL are digging a bigger hole for themselves without us revealing it. 

[pollok-bear 7,537]

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[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

53 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said:

I don’t see that at all. 

The likelyhood of a further investigation is nil. The likelihood of enough clubs voting for one is also not high.

We have evidence but will only release it when another investigation takes place doesn’t sit well.

Publicly release it. Shame the institution to a level where there is no return.

Dont sit on it until pigs fly

We can and will.

But we're clearly following a set process first which will box in the spfl.

[jintybear 8,536]

54 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

I disagree mate. They should have fought the initial resolution in court by the 10am deadline the other week and seen some of the scumbags go into administration. No-one done us any favours in 2012.

While I agree my personal opinion is that the club are trying to get others onside. We cannot win this on our own and effectively killing other clubs would not have helped our cause.

[doc holliday 1,653]

'The SPFL investigation has not answered any of the important questions around the Dundee voting affair. Why did they change their vote and go with the SPFL resolution? Who did they speak to before changing it? Were they put under any pressure to change it? It this investigation was forensic then we'd have answers. We only have more questions.'

 

One of my close relatives  is a highly regarded  CA who has worked for two of the big four and is a highly regarded Audit Specialist.He scoffed at the carefully constructed paper chase   narrow 'terms of reference' ,the 'skim ' overview by De loitte with no personal interviews with the the key players in this whole sorry saga and the so called 'independent'status of the overview.The result was never in doubt.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613]

54 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

What do you actually think evidence of corruption is? If it’s the WhatsApp messages and Dundee changing their mind, that’s not corruption. 
 

do you believe there have been emails or something to which we are party too? If there was anything other than possibly an anonymous phone call, again that’s nothing, it’s hearsay. The SPFL wouldn’t keep saying there’s fuck all if they know there could be evidence of bribery. 
 

I know their corrupt, but it’s not what you know in a court,it’s what you can prove.

 

and the investigation was toward their process, not of possible collusion so why would Deloitte speak to us?

Coercion and bullying is what we're alleging.

Are you thinking weve said weve got evidence of bribery and corruption and that's what we're holding back?

[Pure_Quality 3,295]

16 minutes ago, dummiesoot said:

I actually think he is worse than the dude, always been suspicious,  whereas with the dude I reckon he just likes being devils advocate 

You're right to be. Check out his old stuff in the B+F forum, 100% tarrier. Get that banhammer warmed up.

[esquire8 42,337]

2 minutes ago, jintybear said:

While I agree my personal opinion is that the club are trying to get others onside. We cannot win this on our own and effectively killing other clubs would not have helped our cause.

I agree we need clubs onside.

Then again there are far too many in the professional scottish leagues.

Catch 22 for me.