Domthenbud 899 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I’m seeing a lot of comments and agreements that we should go to court. Now as this seems to be administration of the rules and not criminal use of the rule book, what are we expecting a court to rule on. And what decisions, in our favour, could a court come up with. Would we not be better going to uefa, and I’m fully aware Pete is a integral member there. I have little knowledge of corporate governance so I’m rightly fearful of what we can possibly expect should the II fail to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banner 343 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 The summary, provided we can provide evidence, contains tons of damming things against the SPFL and Doncaster in particular... Doncaster's failure to report to the SPFL board the alleged bullying towards 2 Championship clubs to vote for the resolution or face financial penalties The omission of the possible financial penalties regarding the broadcast rights if the season is ended early The failure of Doncaster to seek board approval before releasing the briefing prior to the vote Doncaster being prepared to renegotiate the sponsorship/broadcasting rights for next year without consent Probably the most damming and one which highlights the corruption of the vote... The SPFL and SFA seeking UEFA waiver to end the season early "as the majority of clubs were for it" days before the clubs voted and without any input from clubs This isn't going to be enough to convince 75% of clubs to vote for a Independent investigation as positions are entrenched, it does however as other have suggested bode well for the inevitable court case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,331 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Domthenbud said: I’m seeing a lot of comments and agreements that we should go to court. Now as this seems to be administration of the rules and not criminal use of the rule book, what are we expecting a court to rule on. And what decisions, in our favour, could a court come up with. Would we not be better going to uefa, and I’m fully aware Pete is a integral member there. I have little knowledge of corporate governance so I’m rightly fearful of what we can possibly expect should the II fail to happen. CAS. Only way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,088 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said: Is there anybody not corrupt ? Going by that we could add Ross McArthur and Ken Ferguson to the charge sheet . This thing is getting bigger and bigger the more we delve into it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,331 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, gmcf said: Is there anybody not corrupt ? Going by that we could add Ross McArthur and Ken Ferguson to the charge sheet . This thing is getting bigger and bigger the more we delve into it . McArthur, Ferguson and Mulraney were always in the firing line for bullying. Using their status on the boards of the SPFL and SFA to force clubs into voting yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Domthenbud said: I’m seeing a lot of comments and agreements that we should go to court. Now as this seems to be administration of the rules and not criminal use of the rule book, what are we expecting a court to rule on. And what decisions, in our favour, could a court come up with. Would we not be better going to uefa, and I’m fully aware Pete is a integral member there. I have little knowledge of corporate governance so I’m rightly fearful of what we can possibly expect should the II fail to happen. Point 6 (early in the summary) - with reference to common law and statutory duties (business law) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,867 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 can't be sure, but think Doncaster et al are in there somewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,770 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 47 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Can only think there is a procedure to take and court is the last resort. Let’s be honest nobody wants this in court and all the costs that incur. Not read the summary and no mention of the whistle blower apparently, but there seems by reading many posts over the last wee while, to be enough to warrant an Ind Inquiry, but it also seems that we will never get enough clubs to vote for it. Speaking about the courts and last resort, would our next step not be the SFA (just onto the next cabal, and we know where that will go, nowhere) or have I got that wrong ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,676 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Are UEFA watching? Do they care? After all, it turns out they got the first piece of communication from the spfl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,867 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Will our evidence be enough to swing any club other than the ones backing us? remains to be seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I've been on and offline a lot today and have only been commenting on snippets. Can someone please post a link to the document if one is available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sRcFoCt 7,639 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Are UEFA watching? Do they care? After all, it turns out they got the first piece of communication from the spfl. UEFA don't care we are a skid mark on the football map. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,331 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Malkster said: Will our evidence be enough to swing any club other than the ones backing us? remains to be seen Probably pull in a few that were sitting on the fence but the amount of tarrier backing fucks will cabosh any vote. Again Hamilton, Motherwell, St Mirren and Livingston will vote no regardless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bears r us said: Not read the summary and no mention of the whistle blower apparently, but there seems by reading many posts over the last wee while, to be enough to warrant an Ind Inquiry, but it also seems that we will never get enough clubs to vote for it. Speaking about the courts and last resort, would our next step not be the SFA (just onto the next cabal, and we know where that will go, nowhere) or have I got that wrong ? No mention of whistleblower but mention of clubs unwilling to give evidence apart to an independent inquiry due to fears of repercussion. Must remember that this is only the first shot in the war. I am not sure where we go after a failed vote. Could be the SFA, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip 359 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 If any of the club's who read the whole document do not vote for an independent inquiry, then they will be the ones on Pete's Payroll. Got them bang to rights Rangers. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,676 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I'm not understanding the spfl's hasty statement. They basically said there is no evidence of bullying when we have clearly shown ample or at least suggested for an external investigation to determine. I think they rushed to judge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpidermansGaffer 2,552 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Malkster said: Will our evidence be enough to swing any club other than the ones backing us? remains to be seen They need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask which is better - fucking Rangers over or getting fucked over ourselves by the body that is supposed to be looking after us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, TheFamousPigeon said: The document was scanned with a RICOH MP C3004 printer. Actually made me think that to canary trap you don't need to include small mistakes or differences in the document text. You could in fact separately scan each time for each body you're giving it to and then use that to find out who leaked it. It would be impossible for those in receipt of the document to know the difference and that they're being baited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy bob swollenbaws 1,861 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Am I correct in saying that 75% of each individual division need to vote in favour of the Indi Investigation to get it to pass? Strikes me as a ridiculous level to meet that allows a small; cabal to keep things as they are in perpetuity forever. Makes it very easy to bribe a small number of stakeholders to get what you want. Anyone know what the old SPL and SFL thresholds were? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,770 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, GersInCanada said: No mention of whistleblower but mention of clubs unwilling to give evidence apart to an independent inquiry due to fears of repercussion. Must remember that this is only the first shot in the war. I am not sure where we go after a failed vote. Could be the SFA, I suppose. Thanks I did not know about the your first sentence. I read somewhere probably in this thread a few hundred pages ago that the next step would be the SFA, but no idea if that is true or not. My reason for bringing it up is that I assume (maybe wrongly) that we need to exhaust all 'Football Authorities' first before going to court. Hopefully we will get more assessments during the next few hours and maybe more bits will come to the fore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,201 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Hutton2008 said: Very far from a lawyer. Barely literate. I've noticed that in your posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluedoo 2,652 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Malkster said: Will our evidence be enough to swing any club other than the ones backing us? remains to be seen Probably not but what it will do is show up how bad a lot of these clubs are, rotten to the core. Imagine jeopardising your own future to pally up to that cabal who would fuck you over in a second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,349 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Lack of evidence IMO. Not exactly the smoking gun I was hoping for. More just a series of probable but unproven accusations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,088 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, alfredosgloves said: SPFL GM Report.pdf 7.92 MB · 376 downloads @JCDBigBear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, TheFamousPigeon said: The vermin have a near 4000 page thread on the dossier... Holy fuck - obsessed mutants!! Tell me you see the irony here 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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