SPFL Shambles

[blaudrup 5,337]

Is there a link to the petition? 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

24 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

Despite risking sounding like Wee Nippy, I suggest a large dose of caution.

How many times have we got ourselves all ready to fire a fatal shot only to discover Liewell or Doncaster have stolen all the bullets?

There is a huge difference between what WILL happen and what SHOULD happen.

Even Doncaster’s appointment this week (like appointing Dr Harold Shipman as Minister For The Elderly) illustrates just how confident and brazen they are.

We’ve been here so many times, even when our dossier has proved to be both accurate and prophetic, yet it all turns to shit at the last moment.

I very much want Hearts/Thistle to decline any offers made and get the whole story out in open court. It is the only hope for Scottish football.

I’ve seen and used words like “shambles” and “fiasco” but the reality is it is anything but. It is a brilliant piece of strategic planning, expertly played out. Even when Dundee voted the “wrong” way, they had a contingency for that.

While we can all hope that the can of worms is finally forced open, we must not get carried away led by hope rather than evidence.

If you could have got a Degree in Sleekitness, Liewell would have cruised it. I will only believe the cleansing has begun when his puppets (SPFL committees, Clare Whyte etc) are gone and someone credible and untainted is tasked with rebuilding our game,

I’m sure they love nothing more than seeing us all expectant like kids on Christmas Eve only to find an empty box under the tree and getting told it’s an Action Man Deserter. Their downfall will be all the sweeter when it happens but patience is critical right now.

 

Post of the morning Colin . That is pretty fait minded for a Saturday morning

[GersInCanada 7,775]

1 minute ago, blaudrup said:

Is there a link to the petition? 

It can be downloaded from FF but you will need a login name.

[crazy bob swollenbaws 1,865]

3 minutes ago, GersInCanada said:

The more I read of this petition deepens my understanding of why they are so desperate to keep this out of court.

Me as well. Hearts and pt will be stupid to be bought off even if money is there.  Bullies  would want revenge for the grief.

[GersInCanada 7,775]

1 minute ago, crazy bob swollenbaws said:

Me as well. Hearts and pt will be stupid to be bought off even if money is there.  Bullies  would want revenge for the grief.

As I see it they are only going down the money route if earlier arguments fail and they are not reinstated. A matter for the judge to rule on. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

8 minutes ago, crazy bob swollenbaws said:

Me as well. Hearts and pt will be stupid to be bought off even if money is there.  Bullies  would want revenge for the grief.

They could but it would be almighty stupid not to take it the full road . It appears they have nothing to lose now surely .

If they get bought with meaningless pot of money . They will have no value or integrity for me . They should surely know it was about corruption , even if they don't admit so much .

[frenv 2,125]

For it to be resolved out of court (i.e. paid off), do each of the member clubs get a vote in that being the right approach?

Just telling clubs that they all owe Hearts & Partick x thousand doesn't really cut it given the SPFL instistance that they're only there to do what celtic their 42 member clubs want. Surely they'd all have to vote for a payoff or court route?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715]

26 minutes ago, GersInCanada said:

The more I read of this petition deepens my understanding of why they are so desperate to keep this out of court.

Our water pistol in a gunfight dossier evidence forms a large chunk of the Hearts/ Thistle case. And the reason the spfl can't have it tried in court is because it demonstrates complicit wrongdoing and would blow the organisation to pieces. Its the detail which is dsmning, not the headlines.

 

[GersInCanada 7,775]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Our water pistol in a gunfight dossier evidence forms a large chunk of the Hearts/ Thistle case. And the reason the spfl can't have it tried in court is because it demonstrates complicit wrongdoing and would blow the organisation to pieces. Its the detail which is dsmning, not the headlines.

 

I agree. We did the groundwork and gave everybody a copy.

[Colin Traive 22,741]

1 hour ago, GersInCanada said:

Another snippet

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20. That various Members inquired whether there was any way that payment of fees could be made without the Season being brought to an end. They were wrongly advised by the Directors that that was not possible. Rangers FC proposed such an alternative resolution but were wrongly advised by the Company that Rangers’ proposed resolution was “not competent.” Indeed, by letter dated 12 April 2020 (the “SPFL Letter”), the Chairman of the Company, Murdoch MacLennan, wrote to Members stating inter alia:
“It has been suggested that it is open to the SPFL Board to distribute end-of season fee payments to clubs now, in the absence of league placings being finalised. That is simply not the case. For the Board to be able to authorise end 15 of season fee payments to clubs (amounting to £9.3 million gross), final league placings must be determined. Those who have suggested that the SPFL may make such payments, without a line being drawn under Season 2019/20, are wrong.”

21. That Members were thereby presented with the Written Resolution on a “take it or leave it” basis, as being the only realistic means by which payments could be made. That representation by the Directors was materially inaccurate. Advance fee payments could have been made to Members.

Great work picking out these nuggets, mate.

A competent lawyer will drive a coach and horses through the original resolution. While we feel the exclusion of “null and void” (without any explanation or justification)   leaves the most bitter taste, the two most telling pieces of evidence are the lie that there was no other means of releasing funds and the absence of the potential penalties involved in closing the season prematurely.

What they have done is this:

1. Looked at all the options given the pandemic and chosen the one most beneficial to their agenda.

2. Removed all the downsides of that option and deliberately linked it to release of funds, desperately needed in some cases.

3. Issued a huge document (now with only a single option and no comparisons with other solutions) and given clubs a ridiculously short time to absorb it before voting.

4. If you don’t approve this, you don’t get your own money.

5. Contacted clubs and misled them on the status of the vote. Robust conversations all round as well.

6. Final total fails by one so last vote in is sidetracked before a weekend of pressure applied. “NO” becomes “YES”. Resolution approved.

It is a classic case study in corrupt management of a voting process. If a court does not consider that vote to be questionable and/or invalid, then there is no hope for this country.

Of course, the big question is what happens next? Rerun the vote? Null and void?

God only knows but the Hearts/Thistle case certainly seems pretty damning.

[Alwaysblue 709]

2 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

Great work picking out these nuggets, mate.

A competent lawyer will drive a coach and horses through the original resolution. While we feel the exclusion of “null and void” (without any explanation or justification)   leaves the most bitter taste, the two most telling pieces of evidence are the lie that there was no other means of releasing funds and the absence of the potential penalties involved in closing the season prematurely.

What they have done is this:

1. Looked at all the options given the pandemic and chosen the one most beneficial to their agenda.

2. Removed all the downsides of that option and deliberately linked it to release of funds, desperately needed in some cases.

3. Issued a huge document (now with only a single option and no comparisons with other solutions) and given clubs a ridiculously short time to absorb it be fore voting.

4. If you don’t approve this, you don’t get your own money.

5. Contacted clubs and misled them on the status of the vote. Robust conversations all round as well.

6. Final total fails by one so last vote in is sidetracked before a weekend of pressure applied. “NO” becomes “YES”. Resolution approved.

It is a classic case study in corrupt management of a voting process. If a court does not consider that vote to be questionable and/or invalid, then there is no hope for this country.

Of course, the big question is what happens next? Rerun the vote? Null and void?

God only knows but the Hearts/Thistle case certainly seems pretty damning.

Essentially that’s it in a nutshell. To the ordinary person it looks cut and dried. However when it comes to law, you can never be certain. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. 
However if SPFL lose and I think that’s likely if it goes the whole way, what comes out in court will be interesting. Can’t see too many lying under oath. Hell scud it into them 

[Sweetheart 8,458]

35 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

They could but it would be almighty stupid not to take it the full road . It appears they have nothing to lose now surely .

If they get bought with meaningless pot of money . They will have no value or integrity for me . They should surely know it was about corruption , even if they don't admit so much .

I agree. If they get bought off with money what's to stop the corruption carrying on with faux sanctions against hearts/PT to claim the money back?

[eejay the dj 31,964]

3 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

I agree. If they get bought off with money what's to stop the corruption carrying on with faux sanctions against hearts/PT to claim the money back?

Exactly .And they surely would with Hearts 

[blaudrup 5,337]

18 minutes ago, Alwaysblue said:

Essentially that’s it in a nutshell. To the ordinary person it looks cut and dried. However when it comes to law, you can never be certain. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. 
However if SPFL lose and I think that’s likely if it goes the whole way, what comes out in court will be interesting. Can’t see too many lying under oath. Hell scud it into them 

It's their casino, their rules - I doubt anyone wins on that turf.  So it has to be about some other legal standards above that,I'd think, like fiduciary duties - or the general day to day laws directors / trustees / partners have to adhere to?  (I haven't read that petition yet).

Edit - unlikely to reach any kind of decision as can be resolved or bought off long before then.

[southcoastbear 1,639]

Regardless of how they feel about the legal action taken by Hearts I fail to understand why the clubs are not all over the SPFL board's bullying and intimidation  tactics .

Seems to be their preferred course of action to anything they dont like 

[GersInCanada 7,775]

1 minute ago, southcoastbear said:

Regardless of how they feel about the legal action taken by Hearts I fail to understand why the clubs are not all over the SPFL board's bullying and intimidation  tactics .

Seems to be their preferred course of action to anything they dont like 

It's just 'robust conversations'. That's their phrase for putting the squeeze on somebody. Could be straight out of The Sopranos.

[magic8ball 27,901]

6 minutes ago, blaudrup said:

It's their casino, their rules - I doubt anyone wins on that turf.  So it has to be about some other legal standards above that,I'd think, like fiduciary duties - or the general day to day laws directors / trustees / partners have to adhere to?  (I haven't read that petition yet).

Edit - unlikely to reach any kind of decision as can be resolved or bought off long before then.

That’s the thing it’s their casino and their rules but it shouldn’t be 

SPFL should be the equivalent of a facilities management company looking after a building for a company ,SPFL board are there to enforce the rules that the members vote in ,

it’s the tail wagging the dog ,it’s high time the intermediate and lower league clubs woke up and realised they ain’t getting enough bang for their buck and amateurish fuck ups are costing them money 

[magic8ball 27,901]

9 minutes ago, southcoastbear said:

Regardless of how they feel about the legal action taken by Hearts I fail to understand why the clubs are not all over the SPFL board's bullying and intimidation  tactics .

Seems to be their preferred course of action to anything they dont like 

I’m the same as you ,why have no other clubs came out and said anything about the money that they are losing out on due to complete incompetence 

[blaudrup 5,337]

6 minutes ago, magic8ball said:

That’s the thing it’s their casino and their rules but it shouldn’t be 

SPFL should be the equivalent of a facilities management company looking after a building for a company ,SPFL board are there to enforce the rules that the members vote in ,

it’s the tail wagging the dog ,it’s high time the intermediate and lower league clubs woke up and realised they ain’t getting enough bang for their buck and amateurish fuck ups are costing them money 

Quite right.  Perhaps a better way of saying it is they've rigged the casino.

Edit - or how do you hold a dishonest casino to account?

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

11 hours ago, Jamie0202 said:

As someone said in the thread earlier Jim the SPFL as a company simply don't have the money to pay out compensation. Yes the SPFL represents the 42 clubs and that is where the funding comes from but in terms of compensation there is no route for the SPFL to take money from the clubs.

I mean using prize money, sponsor money etc, that sky 25mill a season is fast dwindling by looks of things

[Sweetheart 8,458]

27 minutes ago, magic8ball said:

I’m the same as you ,why have no other clubs came out and said anything about the money that they are losing out on due to complete incompetence 

Agreed. the spfl basically manage clubs tv rights for membership. If they are not getting fair representation for the use of their tv rights then they should be asking for a vote of no confidence and put someone in charge who represent them better without bullying them or wasting their prize pot on maladministration. 

[Bears r us 30,793]

6 hours ago, Colin Traive said:

Despite risking sounding like Wee Nippy, I suggest a large dose of caution.

How many times have we got ourselves all ready to fire a fatal shot only to discover Liewell or Doncaster have stolen all the bullets?

There is a huge difference between what WILL happen and what SHOULD happen.

Even Doncaster’s appointment this week (like appointing Dr Harold Shipman as Minister For The Elderly) illustrates just how confident and brazen they are.

We’ve been here so many times, even when our dossier has proved to be both accurate and prophetic, yet it all turns to shit at the last moment.

I very much want Hearts/Thistle to decline any offers made and get the whole story out in open court. It is the only hope for Scottish football.

I’ve seen and used words like “shambles” and “fiasco” but the reality is it is anything but. It is a brilliant piece of strategic planning, expertly played out. Even when Dundee voted the “wrong” way, they had a contingency for that.

While we can all hope that the can of worms is finally forced open, we must not get carried away led by hope rather than evidence.

If you could have got a Degree in Sleekitness, Liewell would have cruised it. I will only believe the cleansing has begun when his puppets (SPFL committees, Clare Whyte etc) are gone and someone credible and untainted is tasked with rebuilding our game,

I’m sure they love nothing more than seeing us all expectant like kids on Christmas Eve only to find an empty box under the tree and getting told it’s an Action Man Deserter. Their downfall will be all the sweeter when it happens but patience is critical right now.

 

So glad you posted this  because although this is different to when Rangers we thought were going to maybe take them down and many of us got excited about that, we should all read your post and remember to hope for the best but expect the worst when dealing with these corrupt bastards.   

[Malvern 11,329]

55 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

I agree. If they get bought off with money what's to stop the corruption carrying on with faux sanctions against hearts/PT to claim the money back?

It will be us sanctioned for issuing the document (not the fuckers who tried to subvert rules) so we can expect a fine around the same amount of both case payoffs. Then Paedo Pete will write a letter from the SFA to Paedo Pete of the SPFL telling them they have their backs covered, carrying on with the fraud all you want.

[Malvern 11,329]

38 minutes ago, blaudrup said:

Quite right.  Perhaps a better way of saying it is they've rigged the casino.

Edit - or how do you hold a dishonest casino to account?

Revoke their gambling license. In our case the SFA would have to call an end to the SPFL if the courts don't make them bankrupt.

[Sweetheart 8,458]

20 minutes ago, Malvern said:

It will be us sanctioned for issuing the document (not the fuckers who tried to subvert rules) so we can expect a fine around the same amount of both case payoffs. Then Paedo Pete will write a letter from the SFA to Paedo Pete of the SPFL telling them they have their backs covered, carrying on with the fraud all you want.

How so?

Our dossier was based on corporate maladministration. I don't see Rangers taking the SPFL to court but I can see them giving evidence on behalf of Hearts and PT via the dossier and the whistle blower evidence.