The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Beast said: No, it's poorly written as it allowed that misinterpretation to happen. If it were unambiguous then the spin from the media we are seeing today wouldn't have been possible. Which parts are ambiguous? Alfredo Morelos was racially abused and it is being investigated by the police? Racism must be condemned by everyone? The club supports players taking a knee? The club will not tolerate any of the abuse (racist or otherwise) directed at players in recent days? If you cannot support the players, regardless of their background, you aren't welcome at Ibrox? That's every sentence of that statement broken down. Which one of those carries ANY ambiguity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Beast said: No, it's poorly written as it allowed that misinterpretation to happen. If it were unambiguous then the spin from the media we are seeing today wouldn't have been possible. Let's face it, even a very clear and unambiguous message can still be intentionally warped by the media. We've seen this happen. However, to give them this wee gift, willingly, is shocking to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, cr3_bear said: A lot better than the one that was sent out How so, which parts would you have changed? What would you have added? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds 1,329 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I have only seen the headlines of the two articles copied, "Racists are not welcome at Ibrox" "It's up to fans to ensure Rangers is a club for all" I can't imagine they are far removed from the message Robertson wanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuistraHairDo 12,490 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Round and round we go on this forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, cr3_bear said: A lot better than the one that was sent out Are you now being asked to write the statement and if you fail to do any better your point is invalidated? Fuck me man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,292 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hoss said: I see nothing wrong with Robertson's comments; the problem we have is the narrative has been twisted already. The club need to be clear in their statements and have little ambiguity. What is also concerning is the number of racists on this thread who can't differentiate between BLM (Group) and BLM the actual point. BLM is not a new thing; go back to 2015 and Anthony Bourdain had a part of his Parts Unknown show when in San Francisco on it. I get the feeling if we weren't dealing with a completely partisan press pack there would be no issues. That being said, a little less ambiguity would have been nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,212 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Which parts are ambiguous? Alfredo Morelos was racially abused and it is being investigated by the police? Racism must be condemned by everyone? The club supports players taking a knee? The club will not tolerate any of the abuse (racist or otherwise) directed at players in recent days? If you cannot support the players, regardless of their background, you aren't welcome at Ibrox? That's every sentence of that statement broken down. Which one of those carries ANY ambiguity? Individually they don't. But the fact that the two topics are intrinsically linked by being in the same statement allows for an interpretation that Rangers fans are behind it all. But you know that don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Swally said: Let's face it, even a very clear and unambiguous message can still be intentionally warped by the media. We've seen this happen. However, to give them this wee gift, willingly, is shocking to say the least. Robertson could literally have put out a statement saying: "Alfredo Morelos was racially abused and this is being investigated by the police and will not be tolerated. Rangers abhors all forms of racism. "The club supports the players' right to protest racist abuse at any time and racists are not welcome at Ibrox." And it could still be spun if someone wanted to spin it. - "Robertson warns racist fans they aren't welcome" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Swally said: Are you now being asked to write the statement and if you fail to do any better your point is invalidated? Fuck me man No am asking to point out which bits specifically are an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Beast said: Individually they don't. But the fact that the two topics are intrinsically linked by being in the same statement allows for an interpretation that Rangers fans are behind it all. But you know that don't you? So there's no ambiguity? EDIT: They are intrinsically linked anyway. Morelos was racially abused. Players are opposing racism. Some have taken abuse for opposing racism. Do you see a theme yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson loyal 552 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, Hoss said: What is also concerning is the number of racists on this thread who can't differentiate between BLM (Group) and BLM the actual point. BLM is not a new thing; go back to 2015 and Anthony Bourdain had a part of his Parts Unknown show when in San Francisco on it. 4 hours ago, Nelson loyal said: The gullible will call you a racist or even a Nazi if you don't agree with them 👍 Thanks for proving my point you absolute cabbage of a boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,212 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: So there's no ambiguity? The statement as a whole is ambiguous. Conflating the two main topics assured that it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, The Beast said: The statement as a whole is ambiguous. Conflating the two main topics assured that it is. I added this into my last post as an edit but it fits here They are intrinsically linked anyway. Morelos was racially abused. Players are opposing racism. Some have taken abuse for opposing racism. Do you see a theme yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Alfredo Morelos was the victim of racist abuse via social media on Friday evening. This hate crime is now subject of a police investigation. This crime looks to have been perpetrated by a rival fan and is unacceptable, cannot be tolerated and must be condemned by everyone in Scottish football and society as a whole. Furthermore, as a club, we stand firmly behind our everyone anyone campaign which takes a strong stance against all forms of racism. We will work tirelessly to protect our players every single day and will not tolerate the abuse or hatred that some have had to endure. To be clear, if you are unable to support our players, regardless of their background, you are not welcome at Ibrox. Rangers is a club for all. ‘Everyone Anyone’, our groundbreaking diversity and inclusion initiative, celebrates its first anniversary on Wednesday. Recent incidents highlight the importance of our campaign which we will continue to drive forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Swally said: Alfredo Morelos was the victim of racist abuse via social media on Friday evening. This hate crime is now subject of a police investigation. This crime looks to have been perpetrated by a rival fan and is unacceptable, cannot be tolerated and must be condemned by everyone in Scottish football and society as a whole. Furthermore, as a club, we stand firmly behind our everyone anyone campaign which takes a strong stance against all forms of racism. We will work tirelessly to protect our players every single day and will not tolerate the abuse or hatred that some have had to endure in recent days. To be clear, if you are unable to support our players, regardless of their background, you are not welcome at Ibrox. Rangers is a club for all. ‘Everyone Anyone’, our groundbreaking diversity and inclusion initiative, celebrates its first anniversary on Wednesday. Recent incidents highlight the importance of our campaign which we will continue to drive forward. Why would you remove that? It doesnt blame fans for racially abusing Morelos. It's a perfectly fair sentiment too. If you can't get behind the players, you shouldn't be welcome at Ibrox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,212 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: I added this into my last post as an edit but it fits here They are intrinsically linked anyway. Morelos was racially abused. Players are opposing racism. Some have taken abuse for opposing racism. Do you see a theme yet? Morelos was racially abused on social media by a (likely) celtic fan. Almost definitely not by a Rangers fan. The rest of the statement includes the club's intent to ban those who are deemed to be racist from within the Rangers support. That is the loophole. The Morelos incident was completely separate and should have been covered in a different statement where there was no link to Rangers fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, The Beast said: Morelos was racially abused on social media by a (likely) celtic fan. Almost definitely not by a Rangers fan. The rest of the statement includes the club's intent to ban those who are deemed to be racist from within the Rangers support. That is the loophole. The Morelos incident was completely separate and should have been covered in a different statement where there was no link to Rangers fans. So Rangers say Morelos was racially abused and that any racists aren't welcome at Ibrox. What exactly is wrong with that? I really can't get my head around why you would have any issue with Rangers saying racists aren't welcome in a statement highlighting the racist abuse of one of our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVeenRangers 2,535 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 To avoid confusion, there could have been 2 separate statements made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Dude said: Robertson could literally have put out a statement saying: "Alfredo Morelos was racially abused and this is being investigated by the police and will not be tolerated. Rangers abhors all forms of racism. "The club supports the players' right to protest racist abuse at any time and racists are not welcome at Ibrox." And it could still be spun if someone wanted to spin it. - "Robertson warns racist fans they aren't welcome" Never much to say on the bheasts though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, eejay the dj said: Never much to say on the bheasts though It's not Robertsons job to appropriate blame in a statement confirming that the polis are investigating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,159 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tiger Shaw said: Hoss was the guy in the Rangers top at a Nationalist rally a year or two ago, no surprise he’s hitting out with this shite. Ah, one of the new age self loathing fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,212 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: So Rangers say Morelos was racially abused and that any racists aren't welcome at Ibrox. What exactly is wrong with that? I really can't get my head around why you would have any issue with Rangers saying racists aren't welcome in a statement highlighting the racist abuse of one of our players. But they didn't say that. They said "if you are unable to support our players regardless....." This clearly is a message aimed at Rangers fans alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,465 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 hours ago, 6superbarry6 said: Ah, one of the new age self loathing fans He’s an older guy, normally he’s a decent poster tbf but that nationalist/republican trait of labelling anyone who has differing view points to them of being racist or sectarian bigots is never far from the surface as he’s shown here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, The Beast said: But they didn't say that. They said "if you are unable to support our players regardless....." This clearly is a message aimed at Rangers fans alone. Of course it is. It's a statement from Rangers' managing director on Rangers' website. He's hardly going to be addressing celtic and Aberdeen fans there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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