sRcFoCt 7,661 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, The Dude said: It was a number of fans telling him to get out of the club and that he isn't welcome at Ibrox. Its football nothing else shouldn't be political because as soon as you do this you isolate a portion of the fan base your gonna get abuse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Beast said: There's no direct conflation but the fact that the statement starts off by criticising a section of Rangers fans re Goldson, then goes directly on to the Morelos matter without stating something like " we believe that whomever abused Morelos wasn't associated with Rangers" or "the abuser also made republican terrorist statements" allowed for the implication. Have you even read the statement? The first two words are 'Alfredo Morelos', how can you even begin to say it starts with the Goldson issue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, The Beast said: There's no direct conflation but the fact that the statement starts off by criticising a section of Rangers fans re Goldson, then goes directly on to the Morelos matter without stating something like " we believe that whomever abused Morelos wasn't associated with Rangers" or "the abuser also made republican terrorist statements" allowed for the implication. The statement doesnt start off on Goldson. It starts off stating Morelos was racially abused and it is being investigated by police before going on to address the general abuse aimed at Goldson. Why would they bother with that implication? Say Morelos was abused and it is being investigated and condemn it. Deal strictly in facts rather than implications and hypotheticals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,699 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 IMO people need to be cleverer when posting on social media. Regardless of your beliefs posting stuff against players on Twitter and Facebook harms the club and it’s fans. It’s not doing the brand any favours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,824 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Beast said: There's no direct conflation but the fact that the statement starts off by criticising a section of Rangers fans re Goldson, then goes directly on to the Morelos matter without stating something like " we believe that whomever abused Morelos wasn't associated with Rangers" or "the abuser also made republican terrorist statements" allowed for the implication. The guy who abused Morelos was clearly one of the dark side's fans and a terrorist supporter as well even if he was so stupid he posted the wrong country's flag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, sRcFoCt said: Its football nothing else shouldn't be political because as soon as you do this you isolate a portion of the fan base your gonna get abuse Why is there no complaints over things being political when its something political that the majority agree with? Message to celebrate a royal wedding (clear political connotations there) and it's celebrated. Oppose racism and there's no place for it, they're just footballers. Is a footballer taking a knee and stating it has nothing to do with politics but is solely about equality political? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,210 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: Have you even read the statement? The first two words are 'Alfredo Morelos', how can you even begin to say it starts with the Goldson issue! Yes ok I got it switched around but the same thing still applies. Plenty of threats against Rangers fans who are deemed to be guilty but nothing at all to say that the hate-crime was by someone with Irish republican leanings. You don't have to mention celtic by name just say that. They would if the positions were reversed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,452 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Dude said: Fed the record a story about something (cant remember exactly what it was off hand but there were exclusive quotes from the club which he confirmed were genuine). Fans weren't impressed by it. Graham defended it as part of a new strategy the club has in dealing with the media. So what's the script with that? Was Graham bullshitting the record? Working with the record? What does that have to do with advising Robertson against putting the two very different issues together in the same statement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misteral 2,932 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, sRcFoCt said: Once again was Goldson racially abused or was it a fan disagreeing with the knee and black power fist BIG BIG difference. It was the latter and I'd be equally annoyed if it had been the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,824 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 hours ago, bobbyorr said: actually the statement hss been well received all over it seems. After all. its really simple. You are either for racism or against it. Are you implying that anyone who is against the BLM group or who is not in favour of "taking the knee" or giving the "black power" fist salute is in favour of racism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Screenshots taken from FF. These are disgusting. Both Catriona Stewart's article and Matthew Lindsay very clearly imply we abused Morelos. Opportunist, deceitful scumbags using racism as a stick, every bit worthy of criticism. Stewart's article especially is appalling. Know's exactly what she's doing. Useful idiots in our support outdoing themselves. Said scumbags loving it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,210 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: The statement doesnt start off on Goldson. It starts off stating Morelos was racially abused and it is being investigated by police before going on to address the general abuse aimed at Goldson. Why would they bother with that implication? Say Morelos was abused and it is being investigated and condemn it. Deal strictly in facts rather than implications and hypotheticals. The abuser also made statements supporting banned Irish republican terrorist groups. Isn't that a fact? It would tell the world exactly who this person was a fan of as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misteral 2,932 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: Are you implying that anyone who is against the BLM group or who is not in favour of "taking the knee" or giving the "black power" fist salute is in favour of racism? The thing is if you you don't need to be in favour of it but if you actively oppose it would seem to me that there is either overt or underlying racism behind those actions. That's how it looks to me anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Beast said: The abuser also made statements supporting banned Irish republican terrorist groups. Isn't that a fact? It would tell the world exactly who this person was a fan of as well. The bad guys from WWII Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, esquire8 said: So what's the script with that? Was Graham bullshitting the record? Working with the record? What does that have to do with advising Robertson against putting the two very different issues together in the same statement? Working with. He wants a good relationship with them. It shows he's not fussed about a potential backlash from fans in releasing something the club feels fits with what they want to do. You've got one of the club's biggest shareholders advocating a boycott against the Record at the same time as the club's PR guy is feeding them exclusive quotes and trying to rebuild a working relationship with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Misteral said: The thing is if you you don't need to be in favour of it but if you actively oppose it would seem to me that there is either overt or underlying racism behind those actions. That's how it looks to me anyway. What about people like me who say lets look at all the black lives that are being lost or ruined not just the ones that can be used for political gain or social clout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Beast said: The abuser also made statements supporting banned Irish republican terrorist groups. Isn't that a fact? It would tell the world exactly who this person was a fan of as well. Could be a Liverpool fan or a Hibs fan. Both have sections of their support who fetishise the IRA. Could be a Rangers fan trying to get celtic fucked (its not but its an excuse rolled out in re: the fuckwit abusing Goldson) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,452 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: Working with. He wants a good relationship with them. It shows he's not fussed about a potential backlash from fans in releasing something the club feels fits with what they want to do. You've got one of the club's biggest shareholders advocating a boycott against the Record at the same time as the club's PR guy is feeding them exclusive quotes and trying to rebuild a working relationship with them. Well that just confirms how fucking rudderless this ship is since King left. Fuck sake. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,824 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Leeds_Bear said: You don't need to find me the links I've read the coverage of it, sorry but you're scraping the barrel there. The two issues are separated in the headline, in article links and our statement. That BBC link highlights the abuse (no idea if any of it was racist) given to Goldson from alleged Rangers fan(s) but plays down the racial abuse aimed at Morelos by a tim fan and terrorist supporter. Any neutral observer will think that our players were racially abused by our own fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 7 hours ago, bobbyorr said: actually the statement hss been well received all over it seems. After all. its really simple. You are either for racism or against it. And on what basis are you, Actually, basing this statement . Most on this forum who appear to be taking issue with this object to the BLM support being used rather than the clubs own anti racism program everyone anyone. So it appears while some things may be simple the basic premise of your statement is flawed and its inference somewhat objectionable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, .Williamson. said: Some silly people if they think it's only sections of our support annoyed at this all. You'd be hard pushed to find any support within the UK that aren't saying similar. Rangers decided to release a statement highlighting their fan base though Cause we absolutely love to shoot ourselves in the foot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, esquire8 said: Well that just confirms how fucking rudderless this ship is since King left. Fuck sake. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I wouldnt say rudderless tbf, they have a clear direction they are going. They just don't particularly give a fuck if it is one that fans agree with. Between that and confirming the club agreed to end the season prematurely and crown celtic champions (despite all the public bluster), far too many have let his previous employment cloud their judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTav 970 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18595206.Rangers-fans-must-help-stamp-racist-abuse-players-like-alfredo-morelos/ Hopefully the Club take the required action against misleading articles like these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misteral 2,932 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: What about people like me who say lets look at all the black lives that are being lost or ruined not just the ones that can be used for political gain or social clout. The deaths being highlighted are as a direct or indirect result of racist behaviour. Black people killing black people, if that's what you're referring to, are not racist killings. That argument is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,210 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Dude said: Could be a Liverpool fan or a Hibs fan. Both have sections of their support who fetishise the IRA. Could be a Rangers fan trying to get celtic fucked (its not but its an excuse rolled out in re: the fuckwit abusing Goldson) That's fine, let people think that it could be a Liverpool or Hibs fan but it's most likely a celtic fan. Job done in that case, we would have clearly made the point that it wasn't a Rangers fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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