Swally 6,289 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Just like the majority of the side last night then, glad we cleared that up. I disagree with that, I saw Kent burst a gut quite a few times, our defence did really well against tough opposition, in fact when you think about it... We lost one goal against the tournament favourites at their home, so the defence backed up to a reasonable extent by our midfield must have worked hard on the night otherwise it wouldn't have been only one goal that we'd have lost. Glad to give you a bit more clarity on my opinion, isn't that better than just telling someone what they're meaning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,604 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Swally said: I disagree with that, I saw Kent burst a gut quite a few times, our defence did really well against tough opposition, in fact when you think about it... We lost one goal against the tournament favourites at their home, so the defence backed up to a reasonable extent by our midfield must have worked hard on the night otherwise it wouldn't have been only one goal that we'd have lost. Glad to give you a bit more clarity on my opinion, isn't that better than just telling someone what they're meaning? All reasonable points, except the part about them being favourites, Man Utd are by a good bit (on bet365), but aye it wouldn't surprise me if Leverkusen did win it they're a top side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, BridgeIsBlue said: All reasonable points, except the part about them being favourites, Man Utd are by a good bit (on bet365), but aye it wouldn't surprise me if Leverkusen did win it they're a top side. Mybad, thought Leverkusen were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,393 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 22 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: See, trying your best is one of those phrases I typically associate with underachievers. Do you feel he grafted, gave 100% and left it out on the park for us tonight? Never mind the circumstances, was the effort there? Trying your best is giving 100 percent surely. Morelos has had much worse games than last night. If it wasn't for his 6 goals we wouldn't have made it to the last 16. He hasn't been in good form since December but You can tell he is frustrated and hungry to score for fun again. Just isn't happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,082 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 hours ago, esquire8 said: When kids today go on about how bad Robertson is as a CEO they don't understand how fucking narcissistic Bain was. Don't get me wrong though, Robertson is still shite. Got yourself a race to the bottom there, mate.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueVanguard 6,609 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 What sickens me about Morelos is the following. When he first came to Rangers we gave him a platform of playing for such a massive club and we supported him and chanted his name from the Go! He was the Scottish medias little play about thing and the Rangers fans constantly gave him love over social media and also outside of Ibrox. The fans made banners of support and also got his name on their tops. Pretty sure some fans even donated money to his foundation for his home town charity. And in return he has spat the dummy out the pram and wants a move now or he is anticipating his move that has been agreed. Most players who have that level of support will run themselves into the ground before they leave a club of fans who adored him but he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, He can like things on Social media but what use is that we want commitment on the park and that has been slowly fading. He really is ruining his legacy in a way with the way he is acting and now a good 70% of the fans have turned on him. Fucking gutted with him to be honest and really hope Leverkusen was his last game for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisWATP 297 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, TheJacketRFC said: What sickens me about Morelos is the following. When he first came to Rangers we gave him a platform of playing for such a massive club and we supported him and chanted his name from the Go! He was the Scottish medias little play about thing and the Rangers fans constantly gave him love over social media and also outside of Ibrox. The fans made banners of support and also got his name on their tops. Pretty sure some fans even donated money to his foundation for his home town charity. And in return he has spat the dummy out the pram and wants a move now or he is anticipating his move that has been agreed. Most players who have that level of support will run themselves into the ground before they leave a club of fans who adored him but he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, He can like things on Social media but what use is that we want commitment on the park and that has been slowly fading. He really is ruining his legacy in a way with the way he is acting and now a good 70% of the fans have turned on him. Fucking gutted with him to be honest and really hope Leverkusen was his last game for us. The modern footballer in a nutshell. I’m also disappointed in Morelos, hope we get rid for the best deal when we can as it Would now suit both parties clearly after his half hearted efforts. I’ll thank him for what he’s done and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,810 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, islanderbear84 said: Or a lack of a better option at the time. Perhaps somewhat supported by buying two striking options before any deal for morelos has been reached. If Gerrard played Morelos unfit and overweight because we had no other option as you imply, then we are in serious trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,810 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Swally said: I disagree with that, I saw Kent burst a gut quite a few times, our defence did really well against tough opposition, in fact when you think about it... We lost one goal against the tournament favourites at their home, so the defence backed up to a reasonable extent by our midfield must have worked hard on the night otherwise it wouldn't have been only one goal that we'd have lost. Glad to give you a bit more clarity on my opinion, isn't that better than just telling someone what they're meaning? Leverkusen are a far better side, which isn't in doubt. Having said that, we basically capitulated from kick off last night. Kent has not lived up to the hype and cost for us, either on loan or after the permanent deal. Havertz missed two great chances for which Morelos or any other Rangers player would have been absolutely pilloried. Havertz is likely to be transferred for circa £80 million. They only won by one goal because we needed at least 3 at first then 4. That was never going to happen therefore Leverkusen had no need to up their game any further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 minute ago, JCDBigBear said: Leverkusen are a far better side, which isn't in doubt. Having said that, we basically capitulated from kick off last night. Kent has not lived up to the hype and cost for us, either on loan or after the permanent deal. Havertz missed two great chances for which Morelos or any other Rangers player would have been absolutely pilloried. Havertz is likely to be transferred for circa £80 million. They only won by one goal because we needed at least 3 at first then 4. That was never going to happen therefore Leverkusen had no need to up their game any further. That's mental, different world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserJon 12,392 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 @The Dude Outcome of your meeting or are you sworn to secrecy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,810 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Just now, Swally said: That's mental, different world Agreed but that is the football world in which we live. What really pisses me off is that a player we bought for £1m and from whose sale we stand to make a substantial profit gets criticised to such a degree by our own fans. We all knew he would be sold on sooner or later (actually now probably sooner). The problem has been that he is / was our main striker for 3 seasons and the focus of almost all attention in that period. Of course he hits a bad spell on occasion as does every striker but because we have no other option of his calibre (and I include Defoe in that category) then we struggle to score as a team. Add to that the shocking collapse in form of the entire team after the winter break two seasons in a row, then we had a recipe for failure , not just by Morelos but the whole first team squad. When he goes, I for one will miss him and I think as a team so will Rangers. I really hope I'm wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 8 hours ago, TheJacketRFC said: What sickens me about Morelos is the following. When he first came to Rangers we gave him a platform of playing for such a massive club and we supported him and chanted his name from the Go! He was the Scottish medias little play about thing and the Rangers fans constantly gave him love over social media and also outside of Ibrox. The fans made banners of support and also got his name on their tops. Pretty sure some fans even donated money to his foundation for his home town charity. And in return he has spat the dummy out the pram and wants a move now or he is anticipating his move that has been agreed. Most players who have that level of support will run themselves into the ground before they leave a club of fans who adored him but he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, He can like things on Social media but what use is that we want commitment on the park and that has been slowly fading. He really is ruining his legacy in a way with the way he is acting and now a good 70% of the fans have turned on him. Fucking gutted with him to be honest and really hope Leverkusen was his last game for us. Agreed mate but the word legacy is a strong word with Alfredo .When we are back at the top winning trophies again .Being Champions of our own league ,having players that score regular big goals against the scum Alfredo will be an after thought then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: If Gerrard played Morelos unfit and overweight because we had no other option as you imply, then we are in serious trouble. We are big time ,if the new guys don’t hit the ground running Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,626 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Agreed but that is the football world in which we live. What really pisses me off is that a player we bought for £1m and from whose sale we stand to make a substantial profit gets criticised to such a degree by our own fans. We all knew he would be sold on sooner or later (actually now probably sooner). The problem has been that he is / was our main striker for 3 seasons and the focus of almost all attention in that period. Of course he hits a bad spell on occasion as does every striker but because we have no other option of his calibre (and I include Defoe in that category) then we struggle to score as a team. Add to that the shocking collapse in form of the entire team after the winter break two seasons in a row, then we had a recipe for failure , not just by Morelos but the whole first team squad. When he goes, I for one will miss him and I think as a team so will Rangers. I really hope I'm wrong with that. I'd say by and large he gets criticised because of what he's shown he's capable of, having proven so, that he then falls away from so dramatically. He's a 20m player at huge profit to us. On his day he's sensational. I'll look back fondly on his time here and wish him every success. But there's no getting away from it, when he's shite he's shite. But worse, as i say, he currently doesn't look interested or applying himself in games and that for me supercedes everything. If he deserves praise for what he has done, he deserves criticism for what he is doing. Ignoring either is being pretty disingenuous. The Morelos right now I've backed even up til midweek given he's came into pre season injured. But he's not even giving close to max effort imo and regardless of his past successes thats just unacceptable, its more than just to do with fitness / injury. I dont see it changing either. I don't think its too much to demand a player gives us that if he wears our jersey. If he doesnt, I dont care how good he has been, he's not the guy for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampionsAgain 1,373 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 £16.25m bid rejected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMax399 3,689 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, TheJacketRFC said: What sickens me about Morelos is the following. When he first came to Rangers we gave him a platform of playing for such a massive club and we supported him and chanted his name from the Go! He was the Scottish medias little play about thing and the Rangers fans constantly gave him love over social media and also outside of Ibrox. The fans made banners of support and also got his name on their tops. Pretty sure some fans even donated money to his foundation for his home town charity. And in return he has spat the dummy out the pram and wants a move now or he is anticipating his move that has been agreed. Most players who have that level of support will run themselves into the ground before they leave a club of fans who adored him but he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, He can like things on Social media but what use is that we want commitment on the park and that has been slowly fading. He really is ruining his legacy in a way with the way he is acting and now a good 70% of the fans have turned on him. Fucking gutted with him to be honest and really hope Leverkusen was his last game for us. A large number of modern day footballers put more effort into social media than applying themselves on the pitch. Alfredo’s race with us is run, the spark and desire he had before is gone, and hasn’t posed a credible threat in some time as a goal scorer. I don’t see why we would want to retain the current version of him. He still has a lot of growing up to do, and I don’t think he is going to snap out of his malaise any time soon. Take the money allegedly on offer from Lille and move on. He did a job for us but time to let him go elsewhere and focus on the job in hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, badjon said: @The Dude Outcome of your meeting or are you sworn to secrecy? I'm not banned but yeah...far from convinced by the answers given to some of my concerns though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,376 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, ChampionsAgain said: £16.25m bid rejected I know we’re holding for £20m, but his value is probably deceasing game on game. If we get near £17/18m I’d be taking it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boybluesy 3,693 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: I know we’re holding for £20m, but his value is probably deceasing game on game. If we get near £17/18m I’d be taking it now. We need to hold our nerve. Plenty of money being banded about for players who are nowhere near as good as Morelos and he still has his future in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampionsAgain 1,373 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: I know we’re holding for £20m, but his value is probably deceasing game on game. If we get near £17/18m I’d be taking it now. I’d be content with 18m plus add ons mate. We would be talking closer to 30m if he kept up that form in the first half of the season. Clubs know he has downed tools mate but they also know what he’s capable of when his heeds in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,141 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Apparently Castore have put in a £20 Million bid for him 🤪 If AM is still here, does he start tomorrow? I say yes as he needs goals and I still think teams will buy him on his Euro goals last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 given that he doesn't seem interested in us now what's everyone's lowest fee they'd accept for him? i'd say 18m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 3 hours ago, ChampionsAgain said: £16.25m bid rejected Wow I think that means 18 mill They will meet in the middle I think Brilliant business if that’s what we get for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,786 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 3 hours ago, ChampionsAgain said: £16.25m bid rejected Where’s this info from mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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