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1 minute ago, Brubear said:

It isn't a case of getting the right of access, that is a given based on where you finish in your country's league or cup. It is a case of seeding for qualifiers of group pots. We would never have been denied access to CL or EL due to not being in Europe for 5 years but we were unseeded for the qualifiers, even the early ones in the first year back because we were Scottish. If we were Spanish, English etc we would have been seeded through all the qualifiers and put in pot 2 of the EL group, whereas last year we were in pot 4 and this year pot 3. 

I understand....but the seedings are based upon country performance over time, not individual club history. If it were done on individual club history, hardly any new teams would break through. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't like the sytem any more than anyone else but the argument that because we are Glasgow Rangers and have beaten whoever is irrelevant.

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Bastard so when we win the league .They still get a CL spot đŸ€”đŸ˜

Scottish Football is nothing without us.

What a fucking performance from.us over the last 2 year 

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2 minutes ago, Flatcap said:

I understand....but the seedings are based upon country performance over time, not individual club history. If it were done on individual club history, hardly any new teams would break through. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't like the sytem any more than anyone else but the argument that because we are Glasgow Rangers and have beaten whoever is irrelevant.

Seeding are based on club coefficient. The country coefficient is only used to ascertain how many teams your country get into the CL and EL, and now EC and where these teams enter each competition. i.e. which qualifying round or straight into group. 

Once that is decided the club coefficient is used to ascertain the seeded teams for each of the qualifying rounds and then which pot you are in if you make the group stage. 

The only time the country coefficient comes into play again is where a club has a lower coefficient than its country coefficient, in that case it gets allocated the country one. 

As a result teams the big 5 leagues who tend to have the top country coefficients are almost always seeded in the qualifiers and avoid the bottom pots in the groups even if they have no European pedigree. i.e Leicester.  This is the part that allows the new teams to break through as you say. 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Flatcap said:

I understand....but the seedings are based upon country performance over time, not individual club history. If it were done on individual club history, hardly any new teams would break through. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't like the sytem any more than anyone else but the argument that because we are Glasgow Rangers and have beaten whoever is irrelevant.

For the record I think the system is actually very good, and UEFA have thought of most eventuality. It is skewed towards benefiting the big leagues but as long as you stay in the top 15 countries it works quite well for you. Scotland are back there now but the trick is to stay there. 

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14 minutes ago, Brubear said:

Seeding are based on club coefficient. The country coefficient is only used to ascertain how many teams your country get into the CL and EL, and now EC and where these teams enter each competition. i.e. which qualifying round or straight into group. 

Once that is decided the club coefficient is used to ascertain the seeded teams for each of the qualifying rounds and then which pot you are in if you make the group stage. 

The only time the country coefficient comes into play again is where a club has a lower coefficient than its country coefficient, in that case it gets allocated the country one. 

As a result teams the big 5 leagues who tend to have the top country coefficients are almost always seeded in the qualifiers and avoid the bottom pots in the groups even if they have no European pedigree. i.e Leicester.  This is the part that allows the new teams to break through as you say. 

 

 

Fair enough, I stand corrected.....and educated!

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5 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Moved above Ukraine into 11th.

Austria 2.5 points ahead. Probably not catchable unless their 4 teams lose most games in next 4 group games and the scum start winning.

Would usually mean automatic qualification to CL groups for the SPL winners 

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30 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Moved above Ukraine into 11th.

Austria 2.5 points ahead. Probably not catchable unless their 4 teams lose most games in next 4 group games and the scum start winning.

Ukraine still got three teams in Europe, with 2 in the CL well placed to finish at least 3rd. To stay in 11th we’ll need both us & them to keep picking up points and possibly both of us to get out the groups

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6 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

Ukraine still got three teams in Europe, with 2 in the CL well placed to finish at least 3rd. To stay in 11th we’ll need both us & them to keep picking up points and possibly both of us to get out the groups

The good thing is Ukraine points are divided by 5 and ours by 4. 

Kiev have Barca double header and Juve away. Cant see any points gained. If they beat Ferencvåros to third, hopefully hard draw and out in last 32 of EL. 

Cant see Zorya getting many points.

Shakhtar are the main problem. 

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8 hours ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Dont know the exact statistics but sure its very high that 11th place is enough for a team straight into CL group stages most seasons.

Top 10 spots are guaranteed a place in the group stage. If the winner of the CL is from one of the top 10 countries (can’t think in recent times when they wouldn’t be) then the automatic slot is handed down to 11th place.

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Using country coeffecients is for one reason and one reason only and thats to get as many teams from the so called big 5 leagues automatic entry or an easy route to the group stages. If lille come 2nd this year then they will be straight in, i dont think anyone who saw them last night would think they merit that. 

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12 hours ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Moved above Ukraine into 11th.

Austria 2.5 points ahead. Probably not catchable unless their 4 teams lose most games in next 4 group games and the scum start winning.

Goes completely against the grain wanting the taigs to win đŸ˜©.

 

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2 hours ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Pot 4 if we got past the qualifers. 

Spot on. This year you need 33,000 coefficient points to get into pot 3. We had 16,250 coming into this year. If we match last year, ie last 16 we will get approximately another 11,000 this year so still only 27,250. 

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On 29/10/2020 at 23:07, Rangers_no1 said:

The good thing is Ukraine points are divided by 5 and ours by 4. 

Kiev have Barca double header and Juve away. Cant see any points gained. If they beat Ferencvåros to third, hopefully hard draw and out in last 32 of EL. 

Cant see Zorya getting many points.

Shakhtar are the main problem. 

Not sure what is going on but Shakhtar  3-0 down at home to broussia

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1 hour ago, MattyBlue said:

Not sure if I’m being thick here but does a Scotland qualifying for the Euros have any impact on this

club coefficient is different from country, but country doesn’t mean national team, just aswell or Scottish teams wouldn’t even get into the europa league based on their results 


Country coefficient: used to rank the collective performance of the clubs of each member association, for assigning the number of places, and at what stage clubs enter the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and the UEFA Europa Conference League

Club coefficient: used to rank individual clubs, for seeding in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League

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