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5 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

This is the part I don't understand. 

What am I not getting?

If someone is in quarantine does that make them eligible to play? has the definition of this term changed literally overnight since celtic have been cited? 

If it's illegal for him to play, he's still ineligible. 

 

People are getting caught up with a word which can mean various things to us, but is strictly defined in the rules.

There is a case for arguing the player was eligible to play, however, as I've just posted it's not the only relevant criteria.

 

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Bolingoli was ineligible.  2 European precedents where celtic themselves complaint on minor technical infringements.  Precedent when registered players play if ineligible eg suspended.  

No sure about points deduction, but the thing that irks me is this "Scottish football on a yellow card" pish. We done fuck all wrong. A tarrier commits a foul and we're all booked.

Should automatically forfeit games and opposing team gets awarded 3-0 wins, other clubs shouldn’t be at a disadvantage because others can’t control their players 

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Legia even took it to CAS demanding compensation or reinstatement and were laughed out of the place.

 

I don't think anyone's doubting they fielded an ineligible player though. It's a yardstick/precedent for celtic again, 5 or 6 years later though. 

If it was good enough for them to benefit from once, it should be good enough for them to be properly accountable for now IMO.

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1 minute ago, raging blue 1972 said:

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and to further add if this is the case can we do it now and get the league stopped and be awarded the championship

No. If we done it now and got the season stopped you'd all be demanding we had points deductions so we wouldn't be top of the table.

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6 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

Might be a stupid question, or might have missed it, but if celtic didn’t know about it. Who did? 

And, how did the story break? 

celtic fan grassed him in for a few sheckels,

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Just now, Real Ranger said:

In what way does that mean they deliberately flouted the rules.

No one is denying they didn’t break the rules.

Players must be registered in the UEFA player list to play in UEFA competitions (or be eligible for games to serve a suspension). Legia removed him fro their 25 man pool and added someone in his place so they still had a full complement of players available to them, effectively nullifying the point of the suspension.

If you have a 25 man squad and one player is suspended then you have 24 available? Is that fair to say?

Legia had a 25 man pool, had one layer suspended and had 25 players available.

 UEFA and CAS both found that they deliberately flouted the rules. That was specifically the reason why the result was overturned.

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5 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

I don't think anyone's doubting they fielded an ineligible player though. It's a yardstick/precedent for celtic again, 5 or 6 years later though. 

If it was good enough for them to benefit from once, it should be good enough for them to be properly accountable for now IMO.

It's not a yardstick if Celtics player wasnt ineligible.

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Because it would go to a vote again over ending the season. With only three games played so far, they wouldn't be ending the season on PPG.

what if the scot gov said season over - I mean they would have to pass it to pay out the money, that's how it works isn't it

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9 minutes ago, Swally said:

Any Club which

(i) Plays a Player who is not eligible to Play;

(ii) Plays a Player in circumstances which are not in accordance with the Rules and/or Regulations; and/or

(iii) applies to Scottish FA Register a Player without the consent of the Board where such consent is required by the Rules or Regulations, shall be in breach of these Regulations

Did celtic play a player in accordance with the current rules & regulations?

Doesn't health & safety & government ruling trump SPFL rules?

To a point yes. Were celtic aware the player should have been quarantined they would have been obliged not to play him. Which comes back to the main point when did celtic find out he was in Spain. If it was before Killie then theyve fucked it. If it was after, its on the player.

You cant quarantine someone when you don't know they should be quarantined.

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Just now, raging blue 1972 said:

what if the scot gov said season over - I mean they would have to pass it to pay out the money, that's how it works isn't it

If the Scot Gov said the season was over just now, there'd be a fuckload of refunds the SPFL had to pay out  to commercial partners before there was even a thought given to paying club.s

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

To a point yes. Were celtic aware the player should have been quarantined they would have been obliged not to play him. Which comes back to the main point when did celtic find out he was in Spain. If it was before Killie then theyve fucked it. If it was after, its on the player.

You cant quarantine someone when you don't know they should be quarantined.

but you said a club is ultimately responsible

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

If the Scot Gov said the season was over just now, there'd be a fuckload of refunds the SPFL had to pay out  to commercial partners before there was even a thought given to paying club.s

doesnt matter would the season be over and we be champions because I tell you say 30 games into the season and this shit is still with us - I could see them doing it if in the lead

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

To a point yes. Were celtic aware the player should have been quarantined they would have been obliged not to play him. Which comes back to the main point when did celtic find out he was in Spain. If it was before Killie then theyve fucked it. If it was after, its on the player.

You cant quarantine someone when you don't know they should be quarantined.

But Legia Warsaw and Sion didn't believe their respective player/s were ineligible or else there's no way on earth that'd have played them mate.

This is the problem for me, you can put up a defence for them but it falls apart under the guise of clubs responsibility for their players - ignorance was no excuse in the eyes of the law for Legia Warsaw. 

The very last line, in bold, how can you punish Legia Warsaw and turn a 6-1 or 6-2 aggregate win into a 3-0 defeat when they didn't know their player was ineligible mate?

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IMO Pouring over the rules and adhering to them in an autistic way often doesn't help. It's only the start of resolving an issue.

Case law wouldn't exist if we as human beings could write laws for every conceivable situation, write them perfectly and apply them.

The rules are just a starting point. 

Is there anything written in the rules about the Coronavirus? I doubt it, but they may have written something in - you never know.

Will the rules be changed after all of this is resolved? - possibly.

Should celtic get away with fielding a player who was by the dictionary definition ineligible to play? - depends what actually happened regarding boli boli and how they controlled the situation.

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