Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Swally said: I agree However, I'd also say Barker's only chance of being a decent footballer is if he takes Estrogen, turns his barnet into a pony tail (almost became one during a football match anyway) and joins the woman's game. Haha that’s harsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swally 6,289 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Hadron Collider said: Then he would be Sue Barker. He'd be a genuine monstrosity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, Blues Brother said: I don’t think anyone has to be labelled the worst player. It’s so negative on here quite often. We have had a good start to the season. With bigger tests around the corner I’d rather keep a positive mindset. The next 5 games are massive, with 3 of them tough away games. what has that got to do with individual performances? We give credit for good performances. Criticise for under par ones. Getting the poorer performers up to the level of those doing well is surely in our best interest? And if they can't, then surely replacing them and giving someone else the opportunity to excel makes sense? We'd all be far more positive if all players were getting pass marks, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,321 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 57 minutes ago, GabrielTomato said: Hagi for me. But I don't think our CMs, Aribo apart have been great. Hagi has underperformed yes but still contributed more than Barker has. Our CMs haven't been great at all but clearly been told that's the job they want them to do up until last weekend. Barker still for me is by far the worst player to play for us this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,321 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: what has that got to do with individual performances? We give credit for good performances. Criticise for under par ones. Getting the poorer performers up to the level of those doing well is surely in our best interest? And if they can't, then surely reolacing them and giving someone else the opportunity to excel makes sense? We'd all be far more positive if all players were getting pass marks, no? Totally agree. That's all we want with a win. Players delivering a 7/10 or more every match. If they ain't then drop them for someone who can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritofBillStruth 167 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Teamgers said: So you think Defoe is better than Morelos, I think you're at it...... I'm not sure if you are serious here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamgers 1,214 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, SpiritofBillStruth said: I'm not sure if you are serious here. I'll knock that one straight back to you sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: what has that got to do with individual performances? We give credit for good performances. Criticise for under par ones. Getting the poorer performers up to the level of those doing well is surely in our best interest? And if they can't, then surely replacing them and giving someone else the opportunity to excel makes sense? We'd all be far more positive if all players were getting pass marks, no? Do you understand football? Players performances change from game to game. Players will play well one week, then maybe not so well the next. If players performances fall short of the standards set by the manager, that player will be replaced. From what I’ve seen the form of the players so far have not warranted the criticism they are getting on here. How many players have had pass marks in your opinion from the Hamilton game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, esquire8 said: Totally agree. That's all we want with a win. Players delivering a 7/10 or more every match. If they ain't then drop them for someone who can. You’re dreaming. It’s not going to happen every match. If that’s your expectation then you’re going to be disappointed more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, esquire8 said: Hagi has underperformed yes but still contributed more than Barker has. Our CMs haven't been great at all but clearly been told that's the job they want them to do up until last weekend. Barker still for me is by far the worst player to play for us this season. Hagi has been god awful bar a tap in. But that's your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Blues Brother said: Do you understand football? Players performances change from game to game. Players will play well one week, then maybe not so well the next. If players performances fall short of the standards set by the manager, that player will be replaced. From what I’ve seen the form of the players so far have not warranted the criticism they are getting on here. How many players have had pass marks in your opinion from the Hamilton game? Seems like you're justifying underperforming players tbh. You say you want to see more of Barker before you make judgement - how about he makes that judgement for you based on pass mark performances rather than looking for excuses for him. From the weekend, Barker Hagi and Roofe struggled. Roofe I get as hes still fighting for match sharpness. Hagi did little to say he shouldn't still be on the bench, Barker was quite simply pish, largely technically so. If other players return to fitness, then based on what Barker has offered he deserves to be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Seems like you're justifying underperforming players tbh. You say you want to see more of Barker before you make judgement - how about he makes that judgement for you based on pass mark performances rather than looking for excuses for him. From the weekend, Barker Hagi and Roofe struggled. Roofe I get as hes still fighting for match sharpness. Hagi did little to say he shouldn't still be on the bench, Barker was quite simply pish, largely technically so. If other players return to fitness, then based on what Barker has offered he deserves to be dropped. I’m not justifying anything. All I’ve said is he wasn’t as bad as folk make out on Saturday and I’d prefer to make a fairer overall judgment on him when he has played more games. So if the squad is the same for the Dundee United game. Do you drop Barker, Hagi and Roofe? If so, who do you bring into the team to replace them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Blues Brother said: I’m not justifying anything. All I’ve said is he wasn’t as bad as folk make out on Saturday and I’d prefer to make a fairer overall judgment on him when he has played more games. So if the squad is the same for the Dundee United game. Do you drop Barker, Hagi and Roofe? If so, who do you bring into the team to replace them? You're wanting an under performing player to get more game time ffs. If Itten Or Aribo are fit then Barker needs dropped. If Defoe is fit I'd look to to how we ould drop Barker. If Morelos has screwed the nut play him, move Roife, drop Barker. If none of the above can happen, replace Barker with Stewart. Cos Barker is fucking rank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: You're wanting an under performing player to get more game time ffs. If Itten Or Aribo are fit then Barker needs dropped. If Defoe is fit I'd look to to how we ould drop Barker. If Morelos has screwed the nut play him, move Roife, drop Barker. If none of the above can happen, replace Barker with Stewart. Cos Barker is fucking rank. Under performing player is your opinion. My opinion is a player is doing ok and might progress if given more games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,613 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blues Brother said: Under performing player is your opinion. My opinion is a player is doing ok and might progress if given more games. I'll agree on that. I'm happy to review at the end of the season whether Barker has contributed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,115 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Right lock this up, we finally agree on something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 He's not quality. He's not gifted, which is rather fuckin obvious. He's not even the best of our second stringers. Even a bit of physicality if you dont have the finer skills, but no, none of that either. He's decidedly average at best and can chase hares. Not what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshirebear 2,771 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Swally said: I agree However, I'd also say Barker's only chance of being a decent footballer is if he takes Estrogen, turns his barnet into a pony tail (almost became one during a football match anyway) and joins the woman's game. Not sure he'd cut it in the womens game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,694 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Hadron Collider said: Then he would be Sue Barker. “New balls please” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 It’s hard to believe this guy was once labelled the best youth prospect at Man City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues 375 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 He was playing on a tiny plastic pitch at the weekend. He looked a lot better at Ibrox. He could have had a couple of goals with composure. Fact is with him in the side the team looks better balanced than last season where everything was coming through Borna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The whole point of having a squad is to allow under performing players to be dropped and let someone else have a go in the next game. Gerrard wants two players competing for every position. Barker was a passenger at Hamilton and deserves to be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beararse 6,365 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Blues said: He was playing on a tiny plastic pitch at the weekend. He looked a lot better at Ibrox. He could have had a couple of goals with composure. Fact is with him in the side the team looks better balanced than last season where everything was coming through Borna. Im probably one of the few on here who agree with you. Folk giving him a roasting because he’s not matching up to Kent and Hagi.... he’s a free and they cost £11m between them. We are a lot more mobile across the front 3rd with Barker on the team and look a lot more balanced. He might not be as gifted as we would like but it was obvious to a blind man that in the first half v Hamilton both Kent and Barker’s movement caused all sorts of problems. Its not necessarily what you do with the ball during a game. You could be an absolute donkey but the opposition still have to account for you when defending, especially if you are a fast donkey! Now if only we could blend Hagi’s skill with Barker’s speed as I could beat Hagi in a sprint and I’m pushing 50.....he’s so fucking slow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,694 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, beararse said: Im probably one of the few on here who agree with you. Folk giving him a roasting because he’s not matching up to Kent and Hagi.... he’s a free and they cost £11m between them. We are a lot more mobile across the front 3rd with Barker on the team and look a lot more balanced. He might not be as gifted as we would like but it was obvious to a blind man that in the first half v Hamilton both Kent and Barker’s movement caused all sorts of problems. Its not necessarily what you do with the ball during a game. You could be an absolute donkey but the opposition still have to account for you when defending, especially if you are a fast donkey! Now if only we could blend Hagi’s skill with Barker’s speed as I could beat Hagi in a sprint and I’m pushing 50.....he’s so fucking slow! Can’t speak for anyone else but I’m not comparing him to other players, I’m judging him on his own performance. He is undoubtedly very mobile but the end product is woeful. And I can’t help feel that Hagi’s performances have fallen away as Barker has had a run of games. There is only so much space in packed midfields to find a little pocket to work in and we currently have Kent, Hagi and Barker all bidding for the same gaps. Quite honestly, he’s getting in the way in a way that Aribo doesn’t. Personally I’d rather have Jones hugging a touchline or would have willingly kept Murphy and sent Barker to Hibs. We just cannot afford passengers this season, it’s that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshirebear 2,771 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, TMB said: It’s hard to believe this guy was once labelled the best youth prospect at Man City. By his dad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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