Gerrard's record at Hibs, Hearts Aberdeen and Kilmarnock

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26 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

That's something our club has a habit of doing, letting promising youngsters leave before we know if they could compete at a higher level.

I'm not prepared to accept failure season in season out. At some point fans will start to drift away, it's happened before, during the John Greig management era.

its not just the youngsters its other players that are around the squad that he just ignores before signing some equally average player to replace them

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16 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

Assuming it’s the away stats but:

in 2020 we’ve played 10 domestic away games. 4 wins, 3 draws, 3 defeats. Of the 6 games we didn’t win we were winning in 4 of them. 

The 4 wins - 2 were against Hamilton the other 2 were 1-0 wins v Aberdeen & Ross County. 

It’s grim.

Only won by more than 1 at Hamilton?

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3 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Only won by more than 1 at Hamilton?

Yip. 2-0 this season & 4-1 in the Scottish Cup when we were 1-1 for a large chunk of the game 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

We’ve dropped points from winning positions 12 times under Gerrard. Only one less than Smith’s entire second spell at the club in roughly half the games 

[TMB 14,167]

Beale addressed this during the second half of last season.  The counter pressing 4-3-3 we've been using the last 2 seasons is an excellent system as we've seen in Europe but it's not as effective domestically.  Domestically the oppositions first pass is often a punt the length of the part which nullifies the advantages of a high pressing system.  Games are also refereed to a different standard domestically and in Europe.  Domestically the football is allowed to be far more physical and Gerrard was targeting very technical players.  This summer he's changed the system to a 4-2-3-1 so we're more attacking and hopefully it'll help us break teams down more.  He's also brought in more physical players in Itten, Bassey, and Balogun.  I think he'll look to add more physicality and fight to the centre of the midfield before the window shuts.

The management team are aware of what's happened in the past and have made moves to correct that.  They're not standing still.  I know many are calling for Gerrard to be sacked but that would be a monumental mistake.  It would sent this club in to free fall again.  We need to give Gerrard this season and see if the 4-2-3-1 pays off.  celtic have switched to a 3-5-2 and that looks to be a step backwards so I don't think they'll be as good as previous seasons either.

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey said:

Hibs- Played 4 won 1

Hearts- Played 5 won 2

Aberdeen- Played 5 won 2

Kilmarnock- Played 6 won 2

A disgrace

I never realised these stats were so bad, I assume we had a lot of draws ?

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18 minutes ago, King Jela said:

So we're bashing the team on hypotheticals? That's desperate. 

No more hypothetical than the world in which every ref & linesman gets every decision correct, every time.

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey said:

Hibs- Played 4 won 1

Hearts- Played 5 won 2

Aberdeen- Played 5 won 2

Kilmarnock- Played 6 won 2

A disgrace

didn't realise it was that bad

[TMB 14,167]

7 minutes ago, HG5 said:

No more hypothetical than the world in which every ref & linesman gets every decision correct, every time.

No one said that. But yesterday the referee allowed an offside goal to stand and it DID cost Rangers the win. 

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14 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

We’ve dropped points from winning positions 12 times under Gerrard. Only one less than Smith’s entire second spell at the club in roughly half the games 

Beyond mingin

[The Monk 3,207]

You'd expect us to be more likely to drop points at the above venues but didn't expect the record to be that bad.

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Having said all that, a 2-2 draw away to an in-form Hibs side, who scored a goal that was offside is neither unexpected or the end of the world in terms of a league season. 

But... the regular pattern of dropping points, the same issues cropping up, and an Old Firm manager into his third season without a trophy is unchartered territory for any manager. 

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Not entirely sure I give a shit about legacy stats, we have been to Aberdeen this season and won and drew at Hibs, decent enough start at both grounds this year. 

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19 minutes ago, HG5 said:

No more hypothetical than the world in which every ref & linesman gets every decision correct, every time.

Yes, it is a lot to ask of a linesmen to spot an offside he's directly staring at. 

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iTs tHe ChEaTiNg ReFs fAuLt

[Nk89 1,286]

celtic record over same period

Hibs - played 6 won 0

Hearts- Played 6 won 5

Killie- Played 6 won 2

Livi - Played 3 won 0

Forget aberdeen we know what happens there!

But not much difference there tbh!

 

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59 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

“Whenever anybody puts a bit of pressure on us in Scotland or gets in our face it seems to affect us too much. At the start of the season teams dropped off us and we were scoring four or five goals, but now they smell blood straight away and put us under pressure.”

Thats from the club captain in the name of fuck. Perfectly sums up the weak mentality that seems to be allowed at the club. I said yesterday anyone who is a neutral and a betting man would be missing a trick if they didnt back heavily against us in any must win domestic game. Its free money.

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46 minutes ago, TMB said:

We have the best defense in the league.

Haven't even played everybody home and away yet

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12 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

Having said all that, a 2-2 draw away to an in-form Hibs side, who scored a goal that was offside is neither unexpected or the end of the world in terms of a league season. 

But... the regular pattern of dropping points, the same issues cropping up, and an Old Firm manager into his third season without a trophy is unchartered territory for any manager. 

You need to remember the circumstances in which Gerrard took over Rangers.  Did you expect him to win anything during his first season?  I didn’t.  celtic were miles ahead and we’ve been closing that gap ever since.  I’d say right now the two Old Firm teams are as even as they have been since we were kicked out the league.  That’s due to the improvements we’ve made under Gerrard, and Lennon taking celtic backwards.  

It was uncharted territory for any Rangers manager in that the gulf between the two Old Firm teams is as big as I’ve ever seen it when he took over.  We need to remember that when judging his performance during this last two seasons.

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2 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Haven't even played everybody home and away yet

I don’t care.  We have the best defense in Scotland.  You think celtic’s is better?  Even their own fans will tell you they’re a calamity at the back.  We have a better keeper, better CBs, and far superior full-backs.

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1 minute ago, TMB said:

That’s due to the improvements we’ve made under Gerrard, and Lennon taking celtic backwards.  

He's won every domestic trophy available to him and will more than likely do it again this season. 

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Just now, TMB said:

You need to remember the circumstances in which Gerrard took over Rangers.  Did you expect him to win anything during his first season?  I didn’t.  celtic were miles ahead and we’ve been closing that gap ever since.  I’d say right now the two Old Firm teams are as even as they have been since we were kicked out the league.  That’s due to the improvements we’ve made under Gerrard, and Lennon taking celtic backwards.  

It was uncharted territory for any Rangers manager in that the gulf between the two Old Firm teams is as big as I’ve ever seen it when he took over.  We need to remember that when judging his performance during this last two seasons.

Lennon taking celtic backwards is a narrative I’ve seen a fair bit...

Since the start of last season they’ve won 32 out of 37 league games. 

we can’t win more than 4 on the bounce. 

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Just now, eskbankloyal said:

Lennon taking celtic backwards is a narrative I’ve seen a fair bit...

Since the start of last season they’ve won 32 out of 37 league games. 

we can’t win more than 4 on the bounce. 

Neil Lennon is taking celtic backwards.  Under Brendan Rodgers they were a far superior team, with better players.  I can’t believe Lennon has moved away from the 4-2-3-1 to employ a 3-5-2.  The 3-5-2 was hugely successful for celtic back in the MON era but will it work as well against today’s tactics?  Probably not.  I’d rather be playing our brand of football than theirs.  

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1 minute ago, TMB said:

Neil Lennon is taking celtic backwards.

How many trophies has he won since taking the job? 

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12 minutes ago, Nk89 said:

celtic record over same period

Hibs - played 6 won 0

Hearts- Played 6 won 5

Killie- Played 6 won 2

Livi - Played 3 won 0

Forget aberdeen we know what happens there!

But not much difference there tbh!

 

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