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Gerrard Poll  

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  1. 1. Happy with things up until now?

  2. 2. Has he done enough since the summer of 2018?

  3. 3. When should he be sacked?

    • Failure to qualify for EL
    • Fail to win the League Cup
    • League Championship
    • Scottish Cup
    • Sometime next season
  4. 4. Does 10 in a row matter to you?

  5. 5. What age are you?


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21 hours ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Transitioning losing their manager and some of their best players. Money simply can't be used when comparing us and killie mate.

And yes, we drew twice with ICT and beat them once. Don't see the relevance though. I think we lost 5 games and drew 4 or something. If we have those stats this season the league is gone. 

That was their first season with popcorn teeth in charge. They lost some of their best players. They won't drop that many points this season.

Think that gets to the heart of this.  In many ways, we're expecting Gerrard to outperform Smith's achievements with less resources and against a side with significantly greater resources.

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11 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

In many ways, we're expecting Gerrard to outperform Smith's achievements with less resources and against a side with significantly greater resources.

We've picked up more points against selik in less games than we have against Kilmarnock, so how does that work? 

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7 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

We've picked up more points against selik in less games than we have against Kilmarnock, so how does that work? 

Every season, even when we were coasting the league, even when our spending power dwarfed the whole league on our own and theirs in multiples we've lost games, and we struggled against some teams.  Every.  Single.  Time.  

Bottom line is our infinitely better resources usually meant that we were better, stronger and more consistent than the rest over the course of a season.  We'd lose games or drop daft points but eventually come through.   Currently we're not in that position, they are.  Whether we like it or not that's the reality.

So if you want to keep banging the drum about "but we're Rangers" and "standards" and all that, it will do nothing but get you pissed off and not seeing the bigger picture.  If you really want to compete and win the league you have to get close to matching them, then we need investment.  Where it's coming from I don't know, but if it takes selling assets of the value we've never had before to do it (Morelos, Kent, Barasic, Barker) then that's what will happen.

It really isn't Gerrard that's the problem.  He has some issues but is limited in what he can do compared to them, and measuring against previous managers who had significantly greater resources available to them is comparing apples and oranges.

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12 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

  If you really want to compete and win the league you have to get close to matching them, then we need investment. 

But we are matching them, it's not games against them that have cost us the last two league championships. 

You can't say we struggle because of finances as you put it then completely ignore our finances compared to sides that consistently cause us problems. 

Are you honestly saying here it's too much to expect us to win the majority of games against Aberdeen etc after having spent £30m? Do we need to spend another £20m to start winning more games against them and others? 

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7 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

But we are matching them, it's not games against them that have cost us the last two league championships. 

You can't say we struggle because of finances as you put it then completely ignore our finances compared to sides that consistently cause us problems. 

Are you honestly saying here it's too much to expect us to win the majority of games against Aberdeen etc after having spent £30m? Do we need to spend another £20m to start winning more games against them and others? 

Good point.  Livingston and Hibs anyone.

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32 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

But we are matching them, it's not games against them that have cost us the last two league championships. 

You can't say we struggle because of finances as you put it then completely ignore our finances compared to sides that consistently cause us problems. 

Are you honestly saying here it's too much to expect us to win the majority of games against Aberdeen etc after having spent £30m? Do we need to spend another £20m to start winning more games against them and others? 

It really is pretty simple.  They're generally ahead of us in quality and squad depth.  Cold light of day that's just a fact.  But we're close enough to them that our players now believe they can compete and beat them.  We can raise our game...  

When it comes to the rest of the league against us and them, they're just that bit too far ahead so are much more consistent against the dross.  Consistency comes with better players.  Better players cost more money (generally).  And when others raise their game against us and frustrate us for long enough they know they've got a chance.  We've less threat across the team compared to them, and everyone knows that.  So does our management team.  That has come through years of investment and sustaining quality at a higher level.  That's where we're behind and our management team know this.

We need investment. 

Defence I'm happy enough with our options, but we shouldn't turn down an opportunity if it presents itself. 

Jack, Davis and Kamara in midfield means we are very competent and retain possession well.  We lack a thrust and a cutting edge from midfield.  Kent is a prospect but a bit greedy for me.  Aribo might turn into that guy.  Hagi has awareness and vision, but lacks pace, he's young and inconsistent.  Barker is an enigma, will he ever come through?  Jones isn't as good as he thinks he is (and probably what we thought), lacks awareness and vision.  Arfield is decent at breaking through the lines but needs to be found more often. 

Roofe is still a bit unknown but looks promising.  Itten looks like he'll take longer to settle than we want.  Morelos, despite his goals, isn't clinical enough.  His touch let's him down more often than many will want to admit to.  Then there's his discipline and attitude.  Defoe is clearly at the end of his career.

What positions are we known to be looking for?  Midfield and attack.  Our management have already identified this and are looking for the right players.  How do we fund the quality?  We have money, but possibly not enough. 

Investment is needed, the only way that Gerrard can affect that is by asking to sell an asset.  

 

 

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43 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

The money argument doesn't wash considering the amount of utter shite we've signed since the summer of 2018 and are still looking to move players on that we acquired last summer. 

Was it Fergie that said "if 50% of your signings are a success you're doing well"....

Is this another area where we're going to hold our manager to a higher standard than everyone else?  If you want to increase the success rate, guess what, shop in a better market with more money.  

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8 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

Was it Fergie that said "if 50% of your signings are a success you're doing well"....

Is this another area where we're going to hold our manager to a higher standard than everyone else?  If you want to increase the success rate, guess what, shop in a better market with more money.  

From the top of my head:

McGregor 

McLaughlin 

Helander

Barisic 

Hagi

Kent

Aribo

Defoe

 

8 out of umpteen signings that have been good enough so far, that's minging. 

All imo of course. 

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People can accept dropped points, it happens in every season. Those arguing for Gerrard and the spending difference continually fail to see the problem. It’s happening constantly in the exact same manner it has done previously. 
 

Smith for example, without looking at stats I’d bet hadn’t beaten Killie just twice  in 7 games or won once against Hibs in 5 etc. 
 

The only reason these results are continually happening is because the management can’t deal with the sleeves rolled up attitude of the game up here, our own captain basically said as much. It’s as simple as that

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9 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:

People can accept dropped points, it happens in every season. Those arguing for Gerrard and the spending difference continually fail to see the problem. It’s happening constantly in the exact same manner it has done previously. 
 

Smith for example, without looking at stats I’d bet hadn’t beaten Killie just twice  in 7 games or won once against Hibs in 5 etc. 
 

The only reason these results are continually happening is because the management can’t deal with the sleeves rolled up attitude of the game up here, our own captain basically said as much. It’s as simple as that

Sorry, don't buy that.

Our players simply aren't allowed to respond in the traditional way....

And even when our management call it out, see what happens.

That's a whole different thread though!

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24 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Debatable

Kent's started this season well and gave us big moments in the past, arguably the most dangerous player in the league when he's on it. 

Aribo's been a huge miss already and Hagi is steadily getting better. 

If the 3 of them turn out like Barker, Stewart and Jones then fair enough :lol:

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4 hours ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Kent's started this season well and gave us big moments in the past, arguably the most dangerous player in the league when he's on it. 

Aribo's been a huge miss already and Hagi is steadily getting better. 

If the 3 of them turn out like Barker, Stewart and Jones then fair enough :lol:

Kent’s started ridiculously good this season tbf.

Aribo wasn’t great last season and barely played this season

Hagi has been pish for the majority as well.

Arfield should be there if they all are imo

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34 minutes ago, a_staunch_prod said:

You should start a new one after tonight's result.

 

#ficklefans

Most people thought/knew we would play well tonight and probably get through. These type of games aren’t they ones that have caused us problems over the past two years.

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Just now, chris182 said:

Exactly, league will decide his fate IMO

Agreed. To me it’s telling that after two plus years I would fancy us to beat celtic or Galatasary if we were playing them on Sunday but if you told me we were playing Kilmarnock or Livingston away I would be concerned that we would drop points. Infact, we are playing Motherwell this weekend and I’m already concerned about it and I’m probably not alone in saying that either.

Things aren’t as bad as some people make out but we need to get it to click in these awkward smaller games ASAP or it will cost Gerrard his job.

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