Flatcap 494 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 There are some bloody big teams dropping down from the Champions League. Not sure it's something i like as a system. If you get six group games and don't progress why should you have a 'second chance' in the Europa? We've already got Roma, Arsenal, Spurs and AC Milan to possibly contend with and now there's Man Utd and Ajax dropping down along with the possibility of others among Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Inter Milan. It would be fairer to engage a play off between best third place finishers in the Europa against the teams qualifying for the 'drop-down' from the CL. It might well end up the same list but there would be a fairer distribution of money. Theoretically, if we were to draw tomorrow in Poland and Benfica beat Liege, we could end up drawing Man Utd, (who have already lost three times in the CL) and we could draw both games and go out on penalties. Our record would be: P8 W3 D5 L0 and theirs would be P8 W3 D2 L3 and we would go out.....fucked up if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Flatcap said: There are some bloody big teams dropping down from the Champions League. Not sure it's something i like as a system. If you get six group games and don't progress why should you have a 'second chance' in the Europa? We've already got Roma, Arsenal, Spurs and AC Milan to possibly contend with and now there's Man Utd and Ajax dropping down along with the possibility of others among Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Inter Milan. It would be fairer to engage a play off between best third place finishers in the Europa against the teams qualifying for the 'drop-down' from the CL. It might well end up the same list but there would be a fairer distribution of money. Theoretically, if we were to draw tomorrow in Poland and Benfica beat Liege, we could end up drawing Man Utd, (who have already lost three times in the CL) and we could draw both games and go out on penalties. Our record would be: P8 W3 D5 L0 and theirs would be P8 W3 D2 L3 and we would go out.....fucked up if you ask me. Agree with that mate . If you get horsed out of a cup . There is no way you should be dropping into another as losers . Especially as those clubs competing in this cup have put out so many others .Unfair but exciting if we are totally honest . Especially if we get Man Utd and turn those fuckers over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TamCoopz 20,314 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Works in our favour if we are in the champions league group stages though. Realistically we’re usually fighting for third place and that uefa cup/Europa spot, although the way Gerrard has us in Europe that might be different now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 32,349 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Will we be saying this next year if we finish 3rd in our CL group? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 33,192 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 The scum get to play in two European competitions every year. It's a ridiculous set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatcap 494 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: We would never have been in the Uefa Cup final in 08 without third place teams dropping down, just saying.. I take your point but back then, there wasn't such a huge financial disparity between the two competitions as there is today. Even if we beat Poznan, our winnings would be about €7m, whereas Man Utd will exit the CL with €27.5m having played two games less before they take any money out of the Europa pot. In fact, they get an extra 500k just for 'reaching' the Europa last 32.....fucking crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: We would never have been in the Uefa Cup final in 08 without third place teams dropping down, just saying.. and then get the chance to defend our Europa Cup win 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Flatcap said: There are some bloody big teams dropping down from the Champions League. Not sure it's something i like as a system. If you get six group games and don't progress why should you have a 'second chance' in the Europa? We've already got Roma, Arsenal, Spurs and AC Milan to possibly contend with and now there's Man Utd and Ajax dropping down along with the possibility of others among Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Inter Milan. It would be fairer to engage a play off between best third place finishers in the Europa against the teams qualifying for the 'drop-down' from the CL. It might well end up the same list but there would be a fairer distribution of money. Theoretically, if we were to draw tomorrow in Poland and Benfica beat Liege, we could end up drawing Man Utd, (who have already lost three times in the CL) and we could draw both games and go out on penalties. Our record would be: P8 W3 D5 L0 and theirs would be P8 W3 D2 L3 and we would go out.....fucked up if you ask me. Did you say the same in 2008? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,796 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Bring it on. Take any of the drop outs 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless Ghoul 6,160 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Shouldn't have so many teams from the same league in the "champions" league anyway. Might actually help other leagues get stronger instead of chucking money onto the same 4 big leagues every year where no one can catch up. Looks like it's actively encouraged that be the case by this system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirrhillLoyal 320 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Good thing IMO. Europa is a much more glamorous competition than it used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Flatcap said: There are some bloody big teams dropping down from the Champions League. Not sure it's something i like as a system. If you get six group games and don't progress why should you have a 'second chance' in the Europa? We've already got Roma, Arsenal, Spurs and AC Milan to possibly contend with and now there's Man Utd and Ajax dropping down along with the possibility of others among Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Inter Milan. It would be fairer to engage a play off between best third place finishers in the Europa against the teams qualifying for the 'drop-down' from the CL. It might well end up the same list but there would be a fairer distribution of money. Theoretically, if we were to draw tomorrow in Poland and Benfica beat Liege, we could end up drawing Man Utd, (who have already lost three times in the CL) and we could draw both games and go out on penalties. Our record would be: P8 W3 D5 L0 and theirs would be P8 W3 D2 L3 and we would go out.....fucked up if you ask me. Most of the drop outs can’t be arsed with the Europa league and tend to go out quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nameless Ghoul said: Shouldn't have so many teams from the same league in the "champions" league anyway. Might actually help other leagues get stronger instead of chucking money onto the same 4 big leagues every year where no one can catch up. Looks like it's actively encouraged that be the case by this system. That’s the whole post not of the CL. To make the big leagues stronger and keep the likes of rangers away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,134 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiger Shaw said: Will we be saying this next year if we finish 3rd in our CL group? Or lose in the CL playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,134 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Bring on whomever, let's be honest - the league is the priority. I remember some on here not bothered if we got KOd out of qualifications round. We've done well, and hopefully top the group - but not bothered really about potential draws. I would like to see Man Utd, really think we could take them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 22,002 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, FirrhillLoyal said: Good thing IMO. Europa is a much more glamorous competition than it used to be. Correct but the nostalgic in me misses the 5 team groups and old format Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 32,349 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, Flatcap said: I take your point but back then, there wasn't such a huge financial disparity between the two competitions as there is today. Even if we beat Poznan, our winnings would be about €7m, whereas Man Utd will exit the CL with €27.5m having played two games less before they take any money out of the Europa pot. In fact, they get an extra 500k just for 'reaching' the Europa last 32.....fucking crazy! Mate there’s more to football than money (or at least there should be) sick of every cunt always yakking on about it. As has been said we wouldn’t have had the great run to the final in 2008 if there was no drop down from the CL. Wee Novo would never have took that penalty in Italy the Manchester cops would never have got kicked fuck out off 🤣 Ive no problem with it actually quite like that some bigger teams drop down into the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatcap 494 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiger Shaw said: Mate there’s more to football than money (or at least there should be) sick of every cunt always yakking on about it. As has been said we wouldn’t have had the great run to the final in 2008 if there was no drop down from the CL. Wee Novo would never have took that penalty in Italy the Manchester cops would never have got kicked fuck out off 🤣 Ive no problem with it actually quite like that some bigger teams drop down into the competition. It's the money that propels the so called 'elite' forward and the lack of it that holds those aspiring to join the top table back. It's a very real issue for us and always will be unless it changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,134 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Let's not forget that EL playoff/3rd place finish drop to the Europa Conference Cup from next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 88,673 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 You’re getting on like we are meant to be winning the Europa League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVeenRangers 2,730 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Winning tomorrow gets the club an extra 1m for topping the group. The draw comes below this. We will take on whoever we get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,991 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 CL drop down teams now confirmed. Seeded Man U Shakhtar Brugge Ajax Unseeded Salzburg Olympiakos Krasnodar Dynamo Kiev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,864 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 We've got through the groups so it's job done, take anybody in the knockouts if it's one of the big hitters then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 32,780 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brubear said: CL drop down teams now confirmed. Seeded Man U Shakhtar Brugge Ajax Unseeded Salzburg Olympiakos Krasnodar Dynamo Kiev Can’t wait for the draw. Some really good teams. Only 1 great team though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC10 1,449 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Ideally draw someone a short distance away, fuck having the team travel to Russia or Ukraine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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