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People need to calm down.

Completely get the sentiment but standards still shouldn't ever drop, they drew yesterday and we fucked it today.  We need to get this wrapped up ASAP.

The leagues done we won't lose it from here but we need some fresh blood as a chunk of our starting 11 are feeling it.  Need to punt Zungu, Jones and Edmundson and bring in genuine first team qua

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20 minutes ago, ShanksRFC said:

Win at Easter Road will be huge mentally.

absolutely, its a tricky fixture against a team that always ups the ante (but then who doesnt) against us. It's probably one celtic fans are looking at, hoping we drop points in, especially since they play accies that night. 

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1 hour ago, Creampuff said:

Glad to see JBJ back - barely seen you in what, 15 games? :unsure:

I wasnt daft enough to cheer us winning the league so early either, ive had reservations about our performances for a while now, we haven't played well in a while and yeah they have been winning games, but it was going to stop eventually

Its now the arse twitchy time of the season, and dropping points to the bottom of the league with a poor performance surely merits discussion, 

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

41 crosses didn't get flung into a box that contained Morelos plus one. If you think that's what happened then I'm not surprised you want to change.  I've never seen worse quality in crossing from both Tav and Borna in one game where the ball repeatedly got blocked by a front man or cleared the goalmouth altogether. We had players in and around the box, we scored from one where the quality ball was actually there.

Getting players on form and getting more quality absolutely. Giving some more time to players like Itten when they do well I fully agree. Getting injured players back is a must.

But changing what has been drilled ibto these players constantly off the back off only our 3 draw all season? Why on earth would we bring in the risks that incurs at this stage. 

Baffling and knee jerk stuff.

 

Okay so if the crossing from the fullbacks was god awful, why did we continue it after the first 20, 25 or even 30

Everyone seen how little we were getting from the crossing in the game, so surely when one avenue isnt doable we should try another no? 

You say changing what has been drilled into the players constantly, are we that shortsighted that we only know one style of play, and if it doesn't work we just keep doing it in the hope a miracle comes off

You say its knee jerk stuff, we havent played well in a good few games now, and tbh it isnt the same system thats served us so well because that system had arfield and roofe in it, two players who we havent replaced

Im not saying from now on we should play something different till the end of the season, but just until we have the right guys back, aribo doesn't look comfortable in the midfield 3, kent is off form, hagi is always made the scapegoat, morelos has no one to work off, if gerrard wants to keep the 433 then fair enough, but change the players as aribo, kent for two arent cutting it right now in it

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Proper cover for Jack, Arfield and (perhaps) Roofe is starting to creep in and should be addressed NOW, coupled with Aribo playing shite we’re all getting nervy as we want this over the line. 
 

we still have enough though - but time will tell if we’re coasting or stumbling. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

I wasnt daft enough to cheer us winning the league so early either, ive had reservations about our performances for a while now, we haven't played well in a while and yeah they have been winning games, but it was going to stop eventually

Its now the arse twitchy time of the season, and dropping points to the bottom of the league with a poor performance surely merits discussion, 

Okay so if the crossing from the fullbacks was god awful, why did we continue it after the first 20, 25 or even 30

Everyone seen how little we were getting from the crossing in the game, so surely when one avenue isnt doable we should try another no? 

You say changing what has been drilled into the players constantly, are we that shortsighted that we only know one style of play, and if it doesn't work we just keep doing it in the hope a miracle comes off

You say its knee jerk stuff, we havent played well in a good few games now, and tbh it isnt the same system thats served us so well because that system had arfield and roofe in it, two players who we havent replaced

Im not saying from now on we should play something different till the end of the season, but just until we have the right guys back, aribo doesn't look comfortable in the midfield 3, kent is off form, hagi is always made the scapegoat, morelos has no one to work off, if gerrard wants to keep the 433 then fair enough, but change the players as aribo, kent for two arent cutting it right now in it

We kept trying it because they kept allowing us to. They gave us the flanks. 

We tried to mix it up in other ways too but again lacked quality. The sideways balls produced little and no cutting edge because we were too slow and predictable. The shooting from inside and around the box was deplorable but we should still have tried it more.

The possession we had, and where we had it, showed we dominated the game. We pinned them back and to an extent 2nd half they accepted that. We got more success then, but thats not to say we would have if the same personnel were on at the start if the game.

Un an attacking sense, we were poor, the quality was lacking. But to suggest now changing the system off the back if it is pretty mental imho.

I agree re Aribo and Kent. Itten has done himself no harm but others from the bench including Zungu havent.

Tbh Gerrard has protected the players plenty this season. He even took the blame for the Cup loss. Now is the time for him to tear into them and give a rocket up their arses about our tempo starting games. More drive, focus, commitment and quality from kick off would go a long way.

Reinventing the wheel won't.

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1 hour ago, ger4life_1872 said:

It's not a miracle when it comes off though , it's sticking to tactics and Philosophy that the management team believe in and is proven to be successful 

Many trophies has gerrard won for us again? Because calling it a success so far is very generous 

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17 hours ago, TEFTONG said:

Three quarters if not all of the squad playing for their very livelihood today. 

Expected it tbh. We drew and its one more game done. 

Im happy enough. 

same. it feels fantastic to not be ripping your hair out at a draw to motherwell. I think if the gap wasn't so large (even without their games in hand, which if they were to win them all we would still be 12 points clear) then it would be a bigger concern but hopefully we kick on from here. at least it wasn't a defeat! 

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3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

We kept trying it because they kept allowing us to. They gave us the flanks. 

We tried to mix it up in other ways too but again lacked quality. The sideways balls produced little and no cutting edge because we were too slow and predictable. The shooting from inside and around the box was deplorable but we should still have tried it more.

The possession we had, and where we had it, showed we dominated the game. We pinned them back and to an extent 2nd half they accepted that. We got more success then, but thats not to say we would have if the same personnel were on at the start if the game.

Un an attacking sense, we were poor, the quality was lacking. But to suggest now changing the system off the back if it is pretty mental imho.

I agree re Aribo and Kent. Itten has done himself no harm but others from the bench including Zungu havent.

Tbh Gerrard has protected the players plenty this season. He even took the blame for the Cup loss. Now is the time for him to tear into them and give a rocket up their arses about our tempo starting games. More drive, focus, commitment and quality from kick off would go a long way.

Reinventing the wheel won't.

I never just said change the system, i said change the players, but if gerrard thinks that the current players are all he can trust, then maybe he has to see that they aren't implementing his system the way it should be

He can give a hundred rockets up their arses, doesnt change that if aribo doesnt know how to break down a 9 man opposing wall now, then a rocket up his arse won't teach him that, if kent us consistently making the wrong decisions because he cant think of anything else to do, shouting at him wont help 

Last season we suffered badly when tav and morelos went off form or missed games, gerrard stuck to his system even though guys like flanagan, polster and defoe weren't suited to the system, imo he's doing the same again, aribo is never a sitting midfielder in his life, hagi and kent arent suited to their current roles either, 

Mind when morelos played as essentially a number ten with roofe up top, people had a go at him because he wasnt scoring goals, what he did though was take up time and effort from opposing defences, he used his attacking mindset to throw opposing backlines out of joint, hagi doesn't do the same because he isn't the same mould, its opposing midfielders that deal with him and it shows, defences seem more compact and more rigid when we only have one out and out striker on the park, hell even when itten played on the right it still opened up space in defence lines

Im happy to see the current system staying in place, but not with the same players, itten needs to start in place of kent, have two strikers ruffle up defences and allow us space

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I’m hoping the Motherwell game is the kick up the arse we need to go on and raise our game to get this title over the line ASAP. Too many players started the game as if the league was already won. No urgency at all and very pedestrian until we went behind.

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3 minutes ago, stevemac said:

same. it feels fantastic to not be ripping your hair out at a draw to motherwell. I think if the gap wasn't so large (even without their games in hand, which if they were to win them all we would still be 12 points clear) then it would be a bigger concern but hopefully we kick on from here. at least it wasn't a defeat! 

Thats a shite mindset to adopt against the team bottom of the table though, and likely a mindset thats stopped us winning trophies before

Doesnt matter if the gap is a point or a hundred points, we should be much much better against the bottom team, 

People seem more relaxed about this performance than the win at home to hibs recently

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Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

Thats a shite mindset to adopt against the team bottom of the table though, and likely a mindset thats stopped us winning trophies before

Doesnt matter if the gap is a point or a hundred points, we should be much much better against the bottom team, 

People seem more relaxed about this performance than the win at home to hibs recently

as mentioned though, you can't really look at it from the point that they are bottom of the league, they've just got a new manager in which always improves performances initially. Motherwell has never been a particularly easy game anyway. It is crazy to think that we can win every game of the season or perform at our absolute best every single week, they are human and given the results and our position in the league I think we can afford a few shite performances here and there as long as we are picking up points. With celtic only picking up 2 draws as well, as SG said, nothing lost, nothing gained. Hopefully it is the kick the players need to better themselves in the upcoming games.

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27 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Many trophies has gerrard won for us again? Because calling it a success so far is very generous 

21 wins and 3 draws the match tactics are proven successful,  he's lost 1 of 3 trophies since we switched to this seasons tactics , 2 comps are still ongoing so review would need to be at seasons end 

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20 minutes ago, stevemac said:

as mentioned though, you can't really look at it from the point that they are bottom of the league, they've just got a new manager in which always improves performances initially. Motherwell has never been a particularly easy game anyway. It is crazy to think that we can win every game of the season or perform at our absolute best every single week, they are human and given the results and our position in the league I think we can afford a few shite performances here and there as long as we are picking up points. With celtic only picking up 2 draws as well, as SG said, nothing lost, nothing gained. Hopefully it is the kick the players need to better themselves in the upcoming games.

We humped them 5-1 at fir park earlier this season, new manager or not they are still the same players bar one new signing

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6 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

21 wins and 3 draws the match tactics are proven successful,  he's lost 1 of 3 trophies since we switched to this seasons tactics , 2 comps are still ongoing so review would need to be at seasons end 

This seasons tactics, its the same system he's used since he got here barring the odd flicker now and again

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16 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Some of the reactions to the result yesterday are just weird as fuck.

People are excusing that performance against the bottom team of the league when we could have put even more daylight between us and the tarriers, 

Now that is weird as fuck

Dropping points, fair enough, it will happen, that performance though isn't excusable, it was pretty shit

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1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

This seasons tactics, its the same system he's used since he got here barring the odd flicker now and again

It is a very small % of people who support us that actually give a fuck..... we have lost Cups and leagues, we can't change that now...

Rangers are going to win the league and 99.67% of our fans would happily wank Gerrard off till their arm falls off when that happens, they aren't going to be hitting the tins the night we win it saying "aye but mind Hampden against Aberdeen 2 year ago" :stevieg:

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2 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

People are excusing that performance against the bottom team of the league when we could have put even more daylight between us and the tarriers, 

Now that is weird as fuck

Dropping points, fair enough, it will happen, that performance though isn't excusable, it was pretty shit

And wit? What is your answer here? Sack the manager? 

See when we won the league in 2010/11 we were fucking murder in a lot of games, actually torture to watch.

Do you know how many Rangers fans give a fuck about that now? About 5 I would guess, if that 

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50 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Many trophies has gerrard won for us again? Because calling it a success so far is very generous 

Its succeeded in Europe has it not even though we're unlikely to win there.

Its allowed us to dominate most games domestically, and prove to be a system the scum have no current answer for which is good in a 2 horse race. 

Its got us hot favourites in a title race despite the scum out muscling us financially.

The 1st season anyone expecting silverware are at it. 2nd season we dominated the scum in a final and lost out to poor finishing, missed chances, a worldie goalie and an offside decision. 

2 cups we fully deserve to criticise for. St Mirren was awful and trust put in back up players cost us.

But it really comes across as if you're hating this system so much you're desperate to find fault or be critical about it.  

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16 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

People are excusing that performance against the bottom team of the league when we could have put even more daylight between us and the tarriers, 

Now that is weird as fuck

Dropping points, fair enough, it will happen, that performance though isn't excusable, it was pretty shit

I've not really seen anyone excusing the performance.

I have seen knee jerk reactions to it...

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