Jeffrey 28,831 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Balogun is quicker but I can't remember Helander actually getting done for pace? It's not as if we play deeper when he plays so it's a bit of a pointless argument imo psb07158 and johanhentze like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GaryMc 1,426 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I honestly don't know who I prefer which is the biggest compliment to give them both. Helander is the better defender but Balogun is great as well. Helander just slightly makes me feel more comfortable when defending though for some reason. Not a bad situation to be in when you can't decide between who's the best out of your "other 2" centre backs and your happy with either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Beast 4,755 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Jeffrey said: Balogun is quicker but I can't remember Helander actually getting done for pace? It's not as if we play deeper when he plays so it's a bit of a pointless argument imo His superior positional sense and game reading masks his lack of pace most of the time. In a flat out race Balogun is quicker imho. If it was a straight choice between the two I'd say Helander. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
born a blue nose 66,933 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Helander will use angles to help his supposed lack of pace imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
born a blue nose 66,933 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Btw av said it before but whoever commented saying that “Helander runs like his arse hairs are tied together” is a genius Bossorange, davger, Essandoh and 1 other like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey 28,831 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, The Beast said: His superior positional sense and game reading masks his lack of pace most of the time. In a flat out race Balogun is quicker imho. If it was a straight choice between the two I'd say Helander. Aye that's the point I'm making he is clever enough to avoid getting into that situation Copeland1983 likes this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Copeland1983 916 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Jeffrey said: Aye that's the point I'm making he is clever enough to avoid getting into that situation This is bang on I think. Balogun makes it look like his pace is essential, whereas Helanders positioning means it isnt needed. Natural that players play to their strength so fair enough. I think Helander compliments Goldson better tho; he is more old school in terms of organisation, positioning and doing the ugly work, so there is a better balance. Great options to have tho, but we give less away with Helander. Jeffrey and donaghy like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post GabrielTomato 23,089 Posted January 27 Popular Post Share Posted January 27 Fucking hell, I'm trying to think but is that right? RockwellGers, G.E.C., TheBluebells and 3 others like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DBBTB 28,810 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, GabrielTomato said: Fucking hell, I'm trying to think but is that right? I think it’s right although it’s a slightly deceptive stat because he was injured for close to four months and then football shut down for another four so it’s maybe not quite as impressive as it initially sounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheBluebells 6,220 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 He's a brilliant defender and reads the game well, links up with Goldson pretty effortlessly. I actually don't think he's that slow, just runs funny. johanhentze likes this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluenoz 16,050 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Helander is far superior in the air than Balogun and runs his angles slightly better. I heard the league record is 18 conceded. I think we will shatter that no matter who we play at CH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbeamjunior 16,125 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, Copeland1983 said: This is bang on I think. Balogun makes it look like his pace is essential, whereas Helanders positioning means it isnt needed. Natural that players play to their strength so fair enough. I think Helander compliments Goldson better tho; he is more old school in terms of organisation, positioning and doing the ugly work, so there is a better balance. Great options to have tho, but we give less away with Helander. I said this ages ago, having two flashy, ball playing centre halves doesn't look as comfortable as when we have goldson strutting his stuff, and helander doing the dirty work next to him, i also think barisic plays better with helander next to him The parkhead game earlier in the season, the tarriers never had a shot on goal, helander blocked one at both posts from cutbacks which could have changed the gsme big time, he's a fucking rock barring one game away to benfica Copeland1983 likes this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prso's headband 23,498 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, GabrielTomato said: Fucking hell, I'm trying to think but is that right? His only domestic defeat is the offside final. He’s a class act. I can’t remember him ever being at fault for a goal never mind dropped points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toolongawake 414 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: His only domestic defeat is the offside final. He’s a class act. I can’t remember him ever being at fault for a goal never mind dropped points. Was culpable for one earlier in the season, Benfica I think? But none the less he is a superb defender, and definitely my preference out of the two. Prso's headband likes this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShanksRFC 2,855 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Prefer him to Balogun and think he looks the more natural along side Goldson. His positioning is outstanding, he had a couple of really good interceptions last night with balls coming into the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STEPPS BOY 39,540 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 11 hours ago, born a blue nose said: Btw av said it before but whoever commented saying that “Helander runs like his arse hairs are tied together” is a genius Thanks pal. RockwellGers, born a blue nose and Amokachi like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RockwellGers 7,264 Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: Thanks pal. Hoping you didn't come up with that from personal experience, sounds horrible tbh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McEwan's Lager 14,127 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The thing about Helander that puts him up there only really with guys like McGregor and Davis is that he’s been there and done it in winning multiple league titles with the most successful club in a country where you are expected to be there or thereabouts every year. We don’t have much of that in the squad at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Copeland1983 916 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 14 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: I said this ages ago, having two flashy, ball playing centre halves doesn't look as comfortable as when we have goldson strutting his stuff, and helander doing the dirty work next to him, i also think barisic plays better with helander next to him The parkhead game earlier in the season, the tarriers never had a shot on goal, helander blocked one at both posts from cutbacks which could have changed the gsme big time, he's a fucking rock barring one game away to benfica Think you're bang on here mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Broxi 5,732 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Maybe I've just not noticed or can't remember but all this talk about Helander's pace and comparing to Balogun, has it ever even been a problem? I can't think of a time when we've conceded a goal because someone has ran past Helander who has been caught out due to being chronically sold. Feels like it's just became a buzz thing to say that's been said and everyone has jumped on it. Never noticed a real concern about it. Helander is clearly the better CB of the two. Any goals we've lost due to his so called lack of pace will be way less than goals we have and would have lost without him in the team. Back when it was just Goldson and Katic and we had just signed Helander I was a bit meh on him at first because I really rated Katic and thought Helander took a little time to settle but he's been absolutely brilliant for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rum Ham 1,677 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 27/01/2021 at 23:33, GabrielTomato said: Fucking hell, I'm trying to think but is that right? Only lost 3 games in total. One against the taigs in that final, one against Leverkusen and one against Young Boys. Mental record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Blues 203 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Balogan has done well.........but we tend to play better with Helander in the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbeamjunior 16,125 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, The Blues said: Balogan has done well.........but we tend to play better with Helander in the team. Barisic defo seems to look more comfortable with helander next to him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRed 116 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Barisic defo seems to look more comfortable with helander next to him Noticed it too, good shout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper Blues 376 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I like both of them. I think Balogun is definitely quicker but the first yard is in the head, and Helander reads the game very well so covers for his lack of pace. He's also more physical and commanding in the air. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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