chris182 6,279 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, ritchieshearercaldow said: Micky Stewart wasn’t on though Fair. Those pesky body mechanics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 The case rests M'lud... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley Bluenose 4,479 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, Virtuoso said: The case rests M'lud... Definitely no malice, he’s absolutely not that kind of player. Fair play to Davidson for defusing the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,017 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Virtuoso said: The case rests M'lud... I don't think he was saying it's not a red, just that it was clearly accidental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,608 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, Brackley Bluenose said: I’m not sure how they’ve come to their decision but let’s remember they work in a team of four, all mic’d up and they communicate. If there was an agenda to impede us - between the team of four there’s enough eyes there to witness a red card incident and put us in a situation where we’d need to play large portions of the game with a man down. Are we saying for all three incidents the referee, and the three other officials, have been unsighted? Come on SEMA! It doesn’t stack up with the whole notion that we are unfairly treated (by matchday officials). The ref has the final decision. On 2 occasions he's admitted he fucked up, and twice its turned to a red. That's incompetence, admitted fault by refs. On all the occasions we have players injured ie Morelos studded etc, how do you square off the 4 officials miked up then? I dont really care if folk think there's bias or not. But using these decisions where refs admit fault and the CO takes action is absurd to prove that there's no bias. Yes we wrongly benefitted, but we wouldn't have if they'd seen it, they didn't consviously favour us in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,526 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wouldn’t have been a bad decision to send him off, wasn’t a bad decision not to. Bad tackle but accidental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 3,985 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Not saying anything new but the whole compliance issue is a joke. Until the day scottish football ever gets VAR decisions should be made by the referee, the linesman and the 4th offical. The whole idea of retrospective punishment for stuff that happens during a game is fucking stupid. If it was actually done properly teams would have half of their squads suspended regularly. The only reason it should be used for is something unsporting that the officials have missed like spitting or hitting. Anything along those lines that can paint the game in a bad light (hold the laughs at the back). This Roofe tackle was dealt with by the referee at the time, it was a purely footballing incident and that should be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,246 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, GOAT said: He can't the referee dealt with it at the game and booked him. So did Clancy with McGregor last week.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM63 2,160 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I suffered watching this with the commentary from the StJ perspective, they banged on about the Roofe incident for all of a few seconds,. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley Bluenose 4,479 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: The ref has the final decision. On 2 occasions he's admitted he fucked up, and twice its turned to a red. That's incompetence, admitted fault by refs. On all the occasions we have players injured ie Morelos studded etc, how do you square off the 4 officials miked up then? I dont really care if folk think there's bias or not. But using these decisions where refs admit fault and the CO takes action is absurd to prove that there's no bias. Yes we wrongly benefitted, but we wouldn't have if they'd seen it, they didn't consviously favour us in any way. Regarding the refs I think you’re wrong there mate, an assistant can easily give a decision if a ref is unsure. Especially if they’re better sighted, go and check examples on YouTube where assistant refs are mic’d up and they’ve made the call. You see it all the time on off the ball incidents when the ref is looking the other way but the lino will flag and then they’ll discuss and the card is given. crazy to think that on all three occasions none of them have been sighted well enough to make the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,246 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, chris182 said: Sportscene unanimous that they don't think there will be retrospective action. It's not up to them though, what about the beaks at Sky??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Michael Stewart rules it a clear red on Twitter. Case closed, folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMax399 3,685 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Anyone who seems that a Red has no idea what they are talking about. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,246 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, GM63 said: I suffered watching this with the commentary from the StJ perspective, they banged on about the Roofe incident for all of a few seconds,. I actually think they were pretty fair all game! Was expecting them to be biased as fuck, but they were fair in every decision. Gave McGregor plenty praise for the save from Conway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley Bluenose 4,479 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Btw @SeparateEntityMyArseif you’re talking incompetence I couldn’t agree more. Also where have you read that the refs have admitted fault? Anything official? I’ve not seen that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiprfc 1,799 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I thought it was a clear red. He's no meant it, but it doesn't change the fact it's dangerous. I'd be very surprised if he gets cited for it, it's not violent conduct and it's not simulation, but if they do, it will just show that they make the rules up and can re-referee anything that they don't like arbitrarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,348 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, DMax399 said: Anyone who seems that a Red has no idea what they are talking about. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, DMax399 said: Anyone who seems that a Red has no idea what they are talking about. Simple as that. Whit? I've read your post a few times and have no idea about what you're talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLaudrup 4,563 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 22 minutes ago, SIRB_72 said: Not saying anything new but the whole compliance issue is a joke. Until the day scottish football ever gets VAR decisions should be made by the referee, the linesman and the 4th offical. The whole idea of retrospective punishment for stuff that happens during a game is fucking stupid. If it was actually done properly teams would have half of their squads suspended regularly. The only reason it should be used for is something unsporting that the officials have missed like spitting or hitting. Anything along those lines that can paint the game in a bad light (hold the laughs at the back). This Roofe tackle was dealt with by the referee at the time, it was a purely footballing incident and that should be it. Spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,131 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, born a blue nose said: People are forgetting how rare it is to get a yellow upgraded to a red Unless your Morelos/Rangers player!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,689 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Theyve put alfies head on roofe. 5 match ban Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Seen worse on our own go unpunished, let alone be deemed bookable by the standard of reffing up here. Therefore, a yellow is both fair and consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus1965 366 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Fair challenge , and it upsets Paedo FC Supporters , thats a win win in ma book . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,608 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Brackley Bluenose said: Regarding the refs I think you’re wrong there mate, an assistant can easily give a decision if a ref is unsure. Especially if they’re better sighted, go and check examples on YouTube where assistant refs are mic’d up and they’ve made the call. You see it all the time on off the ball incidents when the ref is looking the other way but the lino will flag and then they’ll discuss and the card is given. crazy to think that on all three occasions none of them have been sighted well enough to make the decision. The ref has the final decision end of. Some refs apparently like advice from the other officials throughout the match. Others only want it seemingly when they're unsure and consult with them. Id imagine if a ref thought he saw an incident well enough, or was closest to it with a fair sightline, then he'd go with his own assessment and decision. Its crazy enough nothing. I can give you right now a dozen incidents where Rangers players have blatantly been rightly aggrieved, and none of the 4 officials has intervened to right the refs wrong decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,608 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Brackley Bluenose said: Btw @SeparateEntityMyArseif you’re talking incompetence I couldn’t agree more. Also where have you read that the refs have admitted fault? Anything official? I’ve not seen that. There undoubtedly is incompetence. And they affect us and all teams both for and against. But games like the Beaton Hivs game seasons back then the Clancy scum away game had decisions heavily stacked against us. Up to you if you think those games or some decisions we see weekly are just down to that. Is Morelos treated fairly by refs, is it just incompetence all the times they penalise him or don't protect him, are others reffed to the same standard? Its the compliance process. If the ref has clearly been aware during the game but the issue makess its way to the CO office afterwards then the match ref is consulted whether he saw the incident clearly, in full, or whether he missed an 'exceptional part'. If he admits fault and says he missed an exceptional part it goes to a 3 man ex ref panel who review it and if unanimously agree it deserves red then the automatic ban is offered. That's happened with Morelos twice this season and would be the process with Roofe if now retrospectively punished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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