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1 minute ago, stevemac said:

Don't know how many more times Im going to have to say this. I am not defending them, but they didn't fucking stroll into training did they? So you can't punish them for potentially doing this that or the other, you punish them for the party and only the party. 

But they would have strolled into training, don’t give a fuck if it didn’t happen. They didn’t choose not to go in, they didn’t go in because they were caught. You’re defending them because you’re saying they should receive a smaller punishment 

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4 games from winning title, last 32 of Europa, Patterson and Bassey decide to go to a party. If they weren’t caught they’d have came into training with rest of squad on Monday/ Tuesday and then if it

It was last night & the rest of the squad are fine 

That's the post of a man who's just been furloughed by AVON .

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Just now, stevemac said:

See in bold.

Not once have i excused what they've done, I fully expect them to get a reasonable (3-5 match) ban from the league, the maximum fine of wages we can give out and whatever other punishment the club sees fit to give. But they'll still be rangers players and I fully expect to see at least 2 of the 5 in a jersey again, quite possibly before the end of this season.

If they did it and took ownership and admitted their fuckup then you could have a case. But they fucked up and only stopped further fucking up as they were deprived the chance. Theres a huge difference.

If your Mrs shagged someone and caught an std and would have shagged you had you not found out, is it OK to ignore the cheating and excuse her as you stopped her from passing the clap? 🤣

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Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

If they did it and took ownership and admitted their fuckup then you could have a case. But they fucked up and only stopped further fucking up as they were deprived the chance. Theres a huge difference.

If your Mrs shagged someone and caught an std and would have shagged you had you not found out, is it OK to ignore the cheating and excuse her as you stopped her from passing the clap? 🤣

There’s the key word, it’s okay because it hasn’t happened 

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4 minutes ago, stevemac said:

Don't know how many more times Im going to have to say this. I am not defending them, but they didn't fucking stroll into training did they? So you can't punish them for potentially doing this that or the other, you punish them for the party and only the party. 

You absolutely do when its only being denied the chance of making it worse that stopped it from happening.

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Just now, stevemac said:

Don't know how many more times Im going to have to say this. I am not defending them, but they didn't fucking stroll into training did they? So you can't punish them for potentially doing this that or the other, you punish them for the party and only the party. 

You're correct, they didn't stroll into training, but not because they were clever or street wise, because they were caught being dumb and weren't Allowed to go to training. 

None of their actions that weekend showed they had the grey matter to call SG and say "sorry boss but we've been very naughty children" so it's probably reasonable to assume that they WOULD have swanned into training and said nothing. 

That's the difficult bit to accept for me

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Just now, TamCoopz said:

But they would have strolled into training, don’t give a fuck if it didn’t happen. They didn’t choose not to go in, they didn’t go in because they were caught. You’re defending them because you’re saying they should receive a smaller punishment 

I am saying they don't deserve to be sacked because thats a fucking ridiculous attitude to take for a COVID breach, where many teams across the UK are dealing with players breaching, and yet nobody is suggesting they are sacked.

 

 

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1 minute ago, stevemac said:

I am saying they don't deserve to be sacked because thats a fucking ridiculous attitude to take for a COVID breach, where many teams across the UK are dealing with players breaching, and yet nobody is suggesting they are sacked.

 

 

Yet you would want them sacked IF they had got into training...

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1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Yet you would want them sacked IF they had got into training...

potentially or certainly suspended without pay, if they had got into training and had a positive result which then put the whole squad out. That would be a VERY different scenario though

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53 minutes ago, stevemac said:

I would have reacted like everyone else would have, wanted them sacked etc etc. But they didn't. They did a fucking stupid thing and got fined, and punished by the club and likely will be punished by the league. But they haven't put the squad at risk by going into training.

 

13 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Yet you would want them sacked IF they had got into training...

 

10 minutes ago, stevemac said:

potentially or certainly suspended without pay, if they had got into training and had a positive result which then put the whole squad out. That would be a VERY different scenario though

So is it sacked like every one else wanted, or the tiered system based on ramifications?

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2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

 

 

So is it sacked like every one else wanted, or the tiered system based on ramifications?

well clearly a punishment befitting the crime. you wouldn't get life in jail for beating someone up, but you would if you beat them to death wouldn't you?

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3 minutes ago, stevemac said:

well clearly a punishment befitting the crime. you wouldn't get life in jail for beating someone up, but you would if you beat them to death wouldn't you?

This is more related to employment law and sporting protocols than criminal isn't it though. The only criminal law part is the fact they broke the law in the first place.

But if you're suggesting criminally you'd face no punishment if you intended cimmiting a crime but were stopped before you carried it out then you're very much mistaken.

Did you clarify when you would have wanted them sacked, as you said, or sacked only if a,b,c,and d had happened, as you said?.

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1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

If they did it and took ownership and admitted their fuckup then you could have a case. But they fucked up and only stopped further fucking up as they were deprived the chance. Theres a huge difference.

If your Mrs shagged someone and caught an std and would have shagged you had you not found out, is it OK to ignore the cheating and excuse her as you stopped her from passing the clap? 🤣

Superb analogy young man 

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35 minutes ago, Boybluesy said:

If these muppets had gone into training, would the whole squad have to have isolated for two weeks, would we be out of Europe, would we have lost 55, given our lead unlikely, but Europe potentially, and a lot of monies.

I don’t think they would have.

They weren’t near a positive case, or had a positive case within them. There’s absolutely no basis for the whole squad having to isolate. The mechanism for isolation is if you’re in close contact with a positive test. Unless there’s a separate rule for football. 

Not defending them, but it’s over the top hyperbole about the whole squad being out. Even celtic who shared a plane with a Covid positive test only had 13 required to self isolate. 

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1 hour ago, stevemac said:

I am saying they don't deserve to be sacked because thats a fucking ridiculous attitude to take for a COVID breach, where many teams across the UK are dealing with players breaching, and yet nobody is suggesting they are sacked.

 

 

Look at a Aubameyang (out getting tattoos) or Fodden (bringing girls back to the team hotel) and contrast the reactions of the FA, clubs and the press. 

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