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3 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

There is absolutely no way the club would do that just for PR reasons alone.

I think they could probably play, but i might be wrong. They wont though.

Oh I don't think either would feature anyway (unsure on tav injury and when he's expected back) but whether or not Patterson would be eligible to play if required

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4 games from winning title, last 32 of Europa, Patterson and Bassey decide to go to a party. If they weren’t caught they’d have came into training with rest of squad on Monday/ Tuesday and then if it

It was last night & the rest of the squad are fine 

That's the post of a man who's just been furloughed by AVON .

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19 minutes ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

I repeat I never once called them kids or a child. The bit I referenced a child was in reply to you saying your child is 9 and knows not to go behind your back I said bullshit every child makes mistakes. I wasn't meaning the players!! However they(players) are young men and can still make immature decisions. If you want to look for stupid opinions read through your own since you've made such a dramatic u turn! 

 

Youre acting fucking mental.

I've not u-turned ya madman. My original qualms were with people like you saying they are too immature to make decisions. Saying it was just a wee error, let's forget about it. Would you be sitting here all high and mighty if they went to training and potentially lost us points in the league or got us fucked out of Europe?

And yes every child makes mistakes. But if my 9 year old boy is told no to go to his pals house during Covid, he fucking wouldn't. Especially (in the Rangers analogy) if he seen his brother get a boot up the arse for doing the same thing earlier.

To be clear as you are struggling to understand, I am happy with whatever management decide and will back them. I still think the lads who knew what the fuck the deal was were idiots and deserve whatever they get, be that told to train with the youths for the rest of the season or whatever.

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51 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

Can you honestly say you know all the covid rules mate? Cos they seem to change a lot. At least I get mixed up sometimes.

Let's just say the other five were their girlfriends for a moment. It wouldn't be outrageous for them to think they were still in a bubble even though we all know they weren't.

The details remain somewhat unclear.

Now if the other five were not their girlfriends then the guilt is unquestionable and if so, why was fringpong never questioned for a similar wrongdoing?

I agree with most of your posts on a lot of topics. But I find this one baffling and reeking of excuses and whataboutery.

Bottom line is, they knew what they were doing was wrong and against what the club told them. They knew the consequences. 

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To be honest, the correct action is to give them all written warnings and fines (should this be in the contract), and then freeze out and sell the shite ones and give the talented ones a second chance as long as they show remorse.

If the shite ones also show remorse, then they are still shite and should be sold or released.

This is treating them equally and within the rules.

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Our Gaffer gets us.

He holds dear to his heart a set of standards, some of which will be non negotiables.

These standards epitomise what the Gaffer will insist upon in order to be a Ranger.

Non compliance to the required standard particularly the non negotiables set by the Gaffer will not be acceptable.

The Gaffer will have the morale courage, integrity and professionalism  to deal with the situation accordingly.

Regardless of watch the SFA deem to be a punishment.

I would not want to be one of the 5.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bad Robot said:

not defending the sfa but again it’s an individual who has fkd up and it’s him who needs the penalty albeit the sfa should have refused uefa as it was a local Greek match and not a uefa tie. 
The fact that Roome was positive and he never informed madden or Stewart or the sfa he was positive tells me he’s a fkn idiot. I also ask did he not get the phone call from the track and trace and did any of them actually have the track and trace app which should have been pinging for madden and stewart 

You better not defend the sfa for a start mate. They cunts helped put us in a fucking position that fucked us and Scottish football along with their tagalongs.

Don’t misconstrue the damage. They are cunts! Make no mistake!  

 

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1 hour ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Youre acting fucking mental.

I've not u-turned ya madman. My original qualms were with people like you saying they are too immature to make decisions. Saying it was just a wee error, let's forget about it. Would you be sitting here all high and mighty if they went to training and potentially lost us points in the league or got us fucked out of Europe?

And yes every child makes mistakes. But if my 9 year old boy is told no to go to his pals house during Covid, he fucking wouldn't. Especially (in the Rangers analogy) if he seen his brother get a boot up the arse for doing the same thing earlier.

To be clear as you are struggling to understand, I am happy with whatever management decide and will back them. I still think the lads who knew what the fuck the deal was were idiots and deserve whatever they get, be that told to train with the youths for the rest of the season or whatever.

Everyone matures differently, because they are 19,20 or 21 doesn't mean they can't act in a immature way. They didn't go to training, they didn't get us points deducted and they didn't get us fucked out of Europe so if buts and maybe are pointless. Yes I felt sorry for Patterson as he's a young adult starting to grow up learning that every decision he makes is now on him, the 1 that should be ashamed is a 28 Yr old zungu who is old enough to know better but again it doesn't mean he isn't immature either. 

I'm glad we both agree they are idiots and happy for the manager to decide their future. 

It's because of the love of the club we are all passionate about what happens and if someone let's the club down, folk have a tendency to knee jerk and say "fuck them out the door" when in reality it's not as straightforward as that. Patterson has a bright future and since he's been with us this is the 1st time he's let the club down. If anyone listens to Andy halliday on open goal he spoke highly of him and his attitude.

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I personally think the younger ones deserve some slack. Especially if it wasn't a party and just them and the other half's having a pizza, and not the wild party it's made out to be. I've broken lockdown rules. I had a little girl in Feb last year and there was no chance the old dear wasn't going to get to meet her granddaughter. If they weren't footballers no one would give anywhere near as big a shit. And everyone going ott ie. Get them the sack. Please tell me you haven't done anything you shouldn't have in the last 12 months. Because if you have maybe your employer should consider your position too 

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7 minutes ago, bluebear24 said:

I personally think the younger ones deserve some slack. Especially if it wasn't a party and just them and the other half's having a pizza, and not the wild party it's made out to be. I've broken lockdown rules. I had a little girl in Feb last year and there was no chance the old dear wasn't going to get to meet her granddaughter. If they weren't footballers no one would give anywhere near as big a shit. And everyone going ott ie. Get them the sack. Please tell me you haven't done anything you shouldn't have in the last 12 months. Because if you have maybe your employer should consider your position too 

Unreal 

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56 minutes ago, qwerty said:

Our Gaffer gets us.

He holds dear to his heart a set of standards, some of which will be non negotiables.

These standards epitomise what the Gaffer will insist upon in order to be a Ranger.

Non compliance to the required standard particularly the non negotiables set by the Gaffer will not be acceptable.

The Gaffer will have the morale courage, integrity and professionalism  to deal with the situation accordingly.

Regardless of watch the SFA deem to be a punishment.

I would not want to be one of the 5.

 

 

 

 

I totally get what you’re saying mate. However, should we be worrying about the sfa after what just happened with the refs going to officiate overseas?  I mentioned this shit in an earlier post. These cunts that run our football are as bad if not worse. For them to think about suspending our players after what they did is fucking double standards. I’m waiting to see what comes of this. Yes, our lads were wrong, but the sfa don’t have a fucking leg to stand on. Time to bring them down.   

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16 minutes ago, bluebear24 said:

I personally think the younger ones deserve some slack. Especially if it wasn't a party and just them and the other half's having a pizza, and not the wild party it's made out to be. I've broken lockdown rules. I had a little girl in Feb last year and there was no chance the old dear wasn't going to get to meet her granddaughter. If they weren't footballers no one would give anywhere near as big a shit. And everyone going ott ie. Get them the sack. Please tell me you haven't done anything you shouldn't have in the last 12 months. Because if you have maybe your employer should consider your position too 

Honestly, I haven't. Frankly, I'm completely fed up hearing about me me me excuses to bending the rules the MAJORITY of this country are following. As for this bunch, consider themselves very lucky - imo they should have been shifted on immediately.

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1 hour ago, TamCoopz said:

This is a fucking stupid comment. Of course plenty on here have broken covid rules, but we don’t play for a massive football club in the midst of a global pandemic, they should be setting the examples. Further to that, they’ve already witnessed two of their teammates break the rules and have seen the consequences (which could have been even worse had they caught the disease and spread it). Could have completely fucked our biggest season in years after all the work everyone has put in.

someone on here going to a party when they shouldn’t is not the same as a footballer going to a party 

Regardless of playing for a massive club or not it does matter. Folk on here want to be hypocritical and sink the boot in when they are doing the exact same thing. A 19 yr old setting an example?? Fuck me if I need a 19 yr old to set an example of how I should act in life then I've got even more problems than I thought. 

We've been locked down for almost a year to some degree, these players live their full life on the front pages of the newspaper and they are going to make poor life decisions along the way like we all have. Playing for a massive club doesn't make that any less of a probability, they are humans and are going to make mistakes and playing for the club we love won't change that.

I'll give you a scenario: what if you had broke covid rules and been out partying with 10 others and it so happened that someone in the group had covid, you are unaware and they pass it on to you. A few days pass(you are still unaware you have covid) and you go shopping only to see Morelos at the supermarket you obviously approach to get his autograph and have a wee bit of banter, but you unknowingly give him covid and boom you've now caused the full team to isolate for your stupidity on breaking covid. My point being regardless of who we are we all have a duty of care and if we don't follow then don't be hypocritical towards others. 

Rashford and Foden broke covid restrictions to get their end away whilst representing their country, did they get suspended? Did they get sacked? Is their careers over? Nope, nope and nope but folk won't care as they don't play for us. 

People need to stop giving advice to others, look at what you have done in the past and If every one of us put the same high expectations on ourselves as we put on Rangers players then maybe the whole world would be in a better place. 

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1 minute ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

Regardless of playing for a massive club or not it does matter. Folk on here want to be hypocritical and sink the boot in when they are doing the exact same thing. A 19 yr old setting an example?? Fuck me if I need a 19 yr old to set an example of how I should act in life then I've got even more problems than I thought. 

We've been locked down for almost a year to some degree, these players live their full life on the front pages of the newspaper and they are going to make poor life decisions along the way like we all have. Playing for a massive club doesn't make that any less of a probability, they are humans and are going to make mistakes and playing for the club we love won't change that.

I'll give you a scenario: what if you had broke covid rules and been out partying with 10 others and it so happened that someone in the group had covid, you are unaware and they pass it on to you. A few days pass and you go shopping only to see Morelos at the supermarket you obviously approach to get his autograph and have a wee bit of banter, but you unknowingly give him covid and boom you've now caused the full team to isolate for your stupidity on breaking covid. My point being regardless of who we are we all have a duty of care and if we don't follow then don't be hypocritical towards others. 

Rashford and Foden broke covid restrictions to get their end away whilst representing their country, did they get suspended? Did they get sacked? Is their careers over? Nope, nope and nope but folk won't care as they don't play for us. 

People need to stop giving advice to others, look at what you have done in the past and If every one of us put the same high expectations on ourselves as we put on Rangers players then maybe the whole world would be in a better place. 

Not reading that ffs

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5 hours ago, Terry Hurlock Loyal said:

Honestly, I haven't. Frankly, I'm completely fed up hearing about me me me excuses to bending the rules the MAJORITY of this country are following. As for this bunch, consider themselves very lucky - imo they should have been shifted on immediately.

Good for you mate. I'm glad that You have been able to stop your life for what's going on. I sell cars and up until November goes what I was in contact with somewhere in the region of about 50 people a day. And it's near on impossible  to socially  distance fully. But No excuse  here I chose to spend time with my family not knowing how much time I might get with them. I have had family pass because of covid and I still made that choice. But I wouldn't get the sack for it. So why should a couple  of kids

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5 hours ago, TamCoopz said:

Unreal 

Why? Because I'm honest about it rather than pretend and judge a couple  of kids. OK they are in a higher profile job than me but why should they be judged differently. I would get the same fine if the police knocked on my door but personal time is personal time. And yes I understand  the ramifications  if one of them came back positive. But they didn't so you can't retrospectively punished someone for something  twice 

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1 hour ago, bluebear24 said:

Why? Because I'm honest about it rather than pretend and judge a couple  of kids. OK they are in a higher profile job than me but why should they be judged differently. I would get the same fine if the police knocked on my door but personal time is personal time. And yes I understand  the ramifications  if one of them came back positive. But they didn't so you can't retrospectively punished someone for something  twice 

But they’re in the public eye, when they’re out they constantly have to represent the club. When I’m out and about nobody knows who I work for so I’m not damaging the reputation of any companies by being a moron 

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10 hours ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Employees have a right to be treated equally. This is set out in the ACAS Code of practice.

If two employees were found to have both committed the same offence, but one was treated differently than the other, then the one who was treated harshly would be able to raise a grievance and would probably win.

This would likely result in an employee who was on a fixed term contract being paid at least in part for the duration left on their contract.

Westlake v ZSL London Zoo ET/2201118/2015 is an interesting case that shows two employees who got into a fight, the company sacked one whilst keeping the other. The court found that this was wrong from the company. 

For them to be treated differently, the club would need to have documented notes detailing why they were treated differently based on the employees conduct prior to the action. This would include things such as verbal and written warnings on the employee record prior to the incident that took place.

Alternatively if the incidents in question were more or less serious would come into it, but it would not be to the clubs opinion but they would have to convince a judge that they incidents were significantly different.

Thanks 👍. Much of that I'm aware of other than that particular case law.

The scenario you provide isn't really what was being discussed given its 2 employees treated differently for conduct in the same incident. Of course parity in treatment there is absolutely essential otherwise risk to the organisation increases.

The discussed scenario was one where a player (one of the 5) was justly sacked for gross misconduct then made a claim because the club dealt differently with a different player (ie Morelos) breaching covid protocols at a later date.

The mechanism for such a process was sought and not provided. The complexities, implications and legal breaches of the sacked player obtaining sensitive disciplinary documents from an ex employer on a current employee not even considered. And all that whilst having to demonstrate two separate breaches have identical enough circumstances to warrant similar outcomes by the club, which we may find out proven not to be the case with the punishment of the current 5 compared to GE / JJ.

It's far from being the case that sacking any of the 5 would lead to us then forking out to them as a direct result of not sacking a higher valued player if he then offended.

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9 hours ago, Dickie said:

The vast majority of young people stay at home,what planet are you on,just walk about especially in any park and see what’s going on. In my local park there is organised 5/6 a sides with dozens taking part,most young folk I know don’t give COVID a second thought apart from the inconvenience of it.

Read the post.   I am talking about night time parties and you bring up the local park.  

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7 hours ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

Regardless of playing for a massive club or not it does matter. Folk on here want to be hypocritical and sink the boot in when they are doing the exact same thing. A 19 yr old setting an example?? Fuck me if I need a 19 yr old to set an example of how I should act in life then I've got even more problems than I thought. 

We've been locked down for almost a year to some degree, these players live their full life on the front pages of the newspaper and they are going to make poor life decisions along the way like we all have. Playing for a massive club doesn't make that any less of a probability, they are humans and are going to make mistakes and playing for the club we love won't change that.

I'll give you a scenario: what if you had broke covid rules and been out partying with 10 others and it so happened that someone in the group had covid, you are unaware and they pass it on to you. A few days pass(you are still unaware you have covid) and you go shopping only to see Morelos at the supermarket you obviously approach to get his autograph and have a wee bit of banter, but you unknowingly give him covid and boom you've now caused the full team to isolate for your stupidity on breaking covid. My point being regardless of who we are we all have a duty of care and if we don't follow then don't be hypocritical towards others. 

Rashford and Foden broke covid restrictions to get their end away whilst representing their country, did they get suspended? Did they get sacked? Is their careers over? Nope, nope and nope but folk won't care as they don't play for us. 

People need to stop giving advice to others, look at what you have done in the past and If every one of us put the same high expectations on ourselves as we put on Rangers players then maybe the whole world would be in a better place. 

Anyone approaching our players in a supermarket for an autograph needs a kick in the balls. Banter and a socially distance photo yes no issues. I would imagine all clubs have told their players to not engage with autographs during this time.

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Some of the comments on here :sarcasm:

They broke the rules, they represent our club 24/7. They are in the public eye regardless of who they are with...the media etc don't care or make exceptions. If there is a story to be told - exaggerated or not, it will be told. They know this, they saw what happened to their teammates who broke the rules, kids are kids some on here say...okay, so now they have to face up to the consequences of their own actions. It's as simple as that. It's done. Was the "pizza" really worth this?

Anyway, why argue the fuss about it now? Pointless effort. 

 

Ps...have we won 55 yet? :lol:

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30 minutes ago, andyhrfc said:

Read the post.   I am talking about night time parties and you bring up the local park.  

Try reading your own fucking post,not one mention of night time parties. You say most young people are staying in which is completely laughable and anyway inside or outside rules are rules. I take it you’ve not been in anyone’s house or had anyone in your house since lockdown,even the word lockdown is a joke no cunt is obeying it.

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