KaiserJon 12,392 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: I wish I could say I was exaggerating when I say I hear something every single week that leaves me with my head in my hands. There are League One sides with volunteers running their PR/comms who do a better job. What is it that has changed so markedly that has caused this? Is it it a control the narrative to extremes type of deal in how he handles it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, bluenoz said: A columnist is a journalist. They are usually but not always and the role you detailed is more that of a reporter than a columnist. Barry Ferguson and Chris Sutton are columnists, would you say either are journalists? docspiderman and Blueshoff 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, badjon said: What is it that has changed so markedly that has caused this? Is it it a control the narrative to extremes type of deal in how he handles it? Yeah, pretty much. Seems to think that by making life difficult for people will make them fall in line. It doesn't. It just makes enemies of people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFrewExile 171 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, bluenoz said: A columnist is a journalist. Not really. A journalist prints stuff that people don't want published. So a journalist would get a hold of as many photos of Celtc's jolly to Dubai and do an expose of just how many breaches of Covid-19 protocol took place and the players who needed to be investigated and banned by the authorities. A columnist says that mistakes were made and we have to move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,780 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: They are (usually but not always) and the role you detailed is more that of a reporter than a columnist. Barry Ferguson and Chris Sutton are columnists, would you say either are journalists? They’re opinionists. Clickbaiters. The Dude, tannerall and HG5 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Sports journalism in Scotland is at an all-time low. Leckie pens himself as a journalist yet writes to the equivalent of a seven year old. Jackson & Spiers are agitators in order to gain attention which makes them irrelevant. I could go on... A journalist is a reporter which means they garner information through at least two sources then write based on the information given. Writers have become far to lazy these days to investigate and would rather gain attention through controversial or sensational tweets. Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StornowayBlue 630 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, Marco said: he's been dealing with the English press for years - especially on international duty. yeahhhh of course Marco 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemac 4,998 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, The Dude said: I wish I could say I was exaggerating when I say I hear something every single week that leaves me with my head in my hands. There are League One sides with volunteers running their PR/comms who do a better job. Who is it in charge of our PR and Comms? Out of interest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,780 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible They must be desperate. He’ll start shite on us to get them more hits. Fuck the herald troops! HG5 and Bad Robot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,679 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, The Dude said: They are (usually but not always) and the role you detailed is more that of a reporter than a columnist. Barry Ferguson and Chris Sutton are columnists, would you say either are journalists? No they are not journalist. This is my point these days. Journalism is in the gutter and they only write what the editor wants to hear. And that is why no one asks hard questions at pressers. I get irked at you when you pen yourself as one. (I saw your LinkedIn page). There is nothing wrong in having a voice as a blogger if you do it the right way. Why bother getting an English degree these days when people are allowed to write utter rubbish without formal education? Anyway, this is going off-topic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, stevemac said: Who is it in charge of our PR and Comms? Out of interest David Graham - ex-H&H podder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,679 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible Astounding mate. Just shows you there is an agenda at play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, bluenoz said: A columnist is a journalist. 1 minute ago, bluenoz said: No they are not journalist. This is my point these days. Journalism is in the gutter and they only write what the editor wants to hear. And that is why no one asks hard questions at pressers. I get irked at you when you pen yourself as one. (I saw your LinkedIn page). There is nothing wrong in having a voice as a blogger if you do it the right way. Why bother getting an English degree these days when people are allowed to write utter rubbish without formal education? Anyway, this is going off-topic. Ok. Fucking weird going searching out my LinkedIn profile Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible Ffs maybe they’ll rehire the hag as well if that’s their standard Bears r us and scottyscott1963 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M-89 523 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible Newsquest are scum so Spiers will fit in well there tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,679 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, The Dude said: Ok. Fucking weird going searching out my LinkedIn profile Why? Because I caught you out lying? I worked my arse off to get my English degree and it took me a year longer than it should have so I get irked when I see someone saying they are something they are not. Especially when they are smug about it. scottyscott1963 and M-89 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steelydan1690 20,228 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Spiers has just been rehired by the Herald which is quite incredible Just in time for his follow up article about stevie g when he took over ,put that in ur pipe and smoke it ya saddle sniffing bastard I thought the mrs picked this and she wee man picked it himself 2day ,know it's true as shes no even a rangers fan ,hates the papes tho Bigdave30, My Fathers Scarf, peter huistra and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 18,208 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, esquire8 said: Gerrard will take one question about the subject and shut it down so bad that the journos will say no more. One of the things Gerrard is really good at is the press management. Those above him are fucking horrific though. Honestly think that even if the club had dragged any culprits into the centre circle and flogged them within an inch of thier lives,then told the worlds media they were finished at Rangers,that SG would still be asked stupid questions like why didn't you just give them a couple of more lashes. We as a club will never be ALLOWED to do the correct thing in this shite hole while we have the haters running the whole show. Also agree that the top of the tree are fuckin amatuers. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross-Gazza genius 1,902 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 @The Dude @bluenoz keep it up I'm enjoying this 😂 CooperSF, M-89 and graeme_4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,527 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Steelydan1690 said: Just in time for his follow up article about stevie g when he took over ,put that in ur pipe and smoke it ya saddle sniffing bastard I thought the mrs picked this and she wee man picked it himself 2day ,know it's true as shes no even a rangers fan ,hates the papes tho Yeah, first question ‘so Steven, are you still quietly terrified’ scottyscott1963 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,109 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Steelydan1690 said: Just in time for his follow up article about stevie g when he took over ,put that in ur pipe and smoke it ya saddle sniffing bastard I thought the mrs picked this and she wee man picked it himself 2day ,know it's true as shes no even a rangers fan ,hates the papes tho Thumb like a chicken drumstick imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hadron Collider 30,780 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Yeah, first question ‘so Steven, are you still quietly terrified’ Can see SG and Walter waiting for Spiers when he wants to ask a question. kelvd1873, BridgeIsBlue, Sparkle and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,350 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, The Dude said: Clubs have as big a part to play in it tbh. Some clubs micro-manage pressers and insists only certain topics are covered and some managers don't like talking about anything other than the game. There's also certain questions that generally need to be hit in every presser like team news etc. With Rangers in particular it's become really hard to get any real substance to answers as David Graham limits who can ask Qs and how many and will try to move things on if he doesn't want someone asking a q. A lot of the best stuff comes when you can follow-up on initial questions and get some more depth to it. Athletic is somewhat of an unfair comparion to most MSM as they aren't having to produce 15+ pieces of content each day. I'd LOVE to be able to spend my week working on four or five pieces but a reliance on ad revenue means they need to hit a balance between clicks and quality/depth on content (I'll put out at least 10 articles five days a week, plus YouTube content) Having a paid subscriber base (much of which is us-based and couldn't give a shit less about SPFL) eases that considerably. It’s not just coverage of the pressers. In general, discussion, analysis and even opinion pieces are just so dumbed down and lacking substance it’s not even funny. Lack of quality is embarrassing. Maybe, but it’s the benchmark in terms of quality I think and isn’t just any old clickbait shite that most sites push out. bluenoz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, The Dude said: Hi Steven...any team news? Nathan Patterson and Bassey are unavailable. Why? ... Picked up knocks ag training, next question please. Hadron Collider and Bad Robot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserJon 12,392 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Henry winter of the telegraph, don't know if he is still there, was about 5/6 years ago an example of what @bluenoz was getting at. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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