plymouthranger 3,863 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Am I right in thinking that as long as we don’t lose the 2nd leg, that’s us automatically in the CL group stages next season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Think there is a time lag of 1 year. If we do enough, the winner of the league next year will get direct entry into the CL. Next season, unless we win the EL, we will be going through the qualifiers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 13,901 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I think Shaktar can catch us points wise, so I think as long as we get further than they do we will have won that place for our league winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Complicated but I think the Ukranians can catch up with the Scottish coefficient, and that would mean us , Shaktar and Dynamo Kiev can still affect it. (Kiev drew 1-1 last night with another Belgium team Brugge, and Shaktat won 2-0 away at Macabi Tel Aviv) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBufalo20 7,875 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said: I think Shaktar can catch us points wise, so I think as long as we get further than they do we will have won that place for our league winners. Dynamo Kiev in it too so could be tricky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,279 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 This would be for season 22-23. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parma99 116 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Three things need to happen for us to get the automatic CL spot in 2022: 1. We need to keep 11th place in the rankings, to do this we will need to match the points gained by the Ukrainians in this round and beyond 2. We need the winner of the CL this year to have already qualified via their league, only then will the automatic place drop to the 11th ranking country 3. We need to win the league next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,808 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Automatic qualification guaranteed when we win the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Parma99 said: Three things need to happen for us to get the automatic CL spot in 2022: 1. We need to keep 11th place in the rankings, to do this we will need to match the points gained by the Ukrainians in this round and beyond 2. We need the winner of the CL this year to have already qualified via their league, only then will the automatic place drop to the 11th ranking country 3. We need to win the league next season Wouldn’t it be that we need the winner of next season’s UCL to also finish in a qualification spot domestically? Then their league spot drops to the 11th nation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,125 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Are Austria too far in front to catch this season - both their teams lost last night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I love how there’s now this narrative of how Scotland get their UCL place if Rangers can do enough. As though we’d be letting people down if we didn’t. It would be wrapped up if them across the City weren’t fucking horrendous and didn’t soil themselves on an international stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, left winger said: Are Austria too far in front to catch this season - both their teams lost last night? We’d need to beat Antwerp and then win last 16 tie, but not impossible. We’re 3.2 behind, but we gain 0.5 with every match we win, and there’s a bonus of something like 1.2 if we reach the next round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, left winger said: Are Austria too far in front to catch this season - both their teams lost last night? Saw that too, but the papers are not mentioning Austria having a chance so I'm assuming the newspapers have got their facts right................................................ Edit: Just read @Creampuff post, never, ever assume newspapers get their facts right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,872 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Parma99 said: Three things need to happen for us to get the automatic CL spot in 2022: 1. We need to keep 11th place in the rankings, to do this we will need to match the points gained by the Ukrainians in this round and beyond 2. We need the winner of the CL this year to have already qualified via their league, only then will the automatic place drop to the 11th ranking country 3. We need to win the league next season I'll take option number 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, plymouthranger said: Am I right in thinking that as long as we don’t lose the 2nd leg, that’s us automatically in the CL group stages next season? The bbc article is wrong. It will be for season 22-23. 21-22 is 2 teams based on Scotlands ranking at the end of last season. Always a 1 year lag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Parma99 said: Three things need to happen for us to get the automatic CL spot in 2022: 1. We need to keep 11th place in the rankings, to do this we will need to match the points gained by the Ukrainians in this round and beyond 2. We need the winner of the CL this year to have already qualified via their league, only then will the automatic place drop to the 11th ranking country 3. We need to win the league next season Spot on. Regarding 2 I think there has only been something like 1 year in the past 20 that this has not been the case. Perhaps not an exact statement but certainly something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, Creampuff said: We’d need to beat Antwerp and then win last 16 tie, but not impossible. We’re 3.2 behind, but we gain 0.5 with every match we win, and there’s a bonus of something like 1.2 if we reach the next round. I think the bonuses are only relevant for the club coefficient and do not apply to the Scotland one, which is why we cant catch Austria unless we get to final with all wins on the way. We would need 7 wins so next week, 2 last 16, 2 quarters and 2 semis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,141 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: The bonus points do apply to the country coefficient. However for the EL you only get 1 bonus point for making the QFs, 1 for SF and 1 for the final. Those are divided by 4 so effectively Scotland only gain 0.250 bonus points should we make the QFs. We need 6 more wins assuming both Austrian sides lose their 2nd leg to overtake them. Not happening this year. Ukraine is who we need to concentrate on. Shakhtar are through, hopefully Kyiv go out next week and Shakhtar draw one of the big guns in the last 16. Would be interesting if we drew Shakhtar in the last 16 (assuming we get there). All or nothing tie regarding the 11th spot for our respective countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyc06 6,915 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Brubear said: Would be interesting if we drew Shakhtar in the last 16 (assuming we get there). All or nothing tie regarding the 11th spot for our respective countries. Not quite they have 2 teams left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,526 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Would be massive for us if we could make the group stage. Such a financial boost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,279 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Creampuff said: Wouldn’t it be that we need the winner of next season’s UCL to also finish in a qualification spot domestically? Then their league spot drops to the 11th nation. Yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,279 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, scottyc06 said: Not quite they have 2 teams left Hopefully Brugges can get Kiev punted at home next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,905 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, scottyc06 said: Not quite they have 2 teams left I am expecting Kiev to go out. They got a 1-1 at home to Brugge so could probably still go either way. If Kiev go through Scotlands chances of retaining 11th place is very doubtful. You are correct I should had made it clear that was my assumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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