Leftpegcoopz11 4,582 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, esquire8 said: That's Merseyside Reds manager and players now speaking out against the super league. Pretty poss poor the first time they found out was when we all found out. Owners don't give a single fuck about anyone else but themselves. If the businessmen at the helm of this have no manager, no players/staff/fans, they have no business. Could be interesting how things pan out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,196 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Where do we sign up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 41,911 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Leftpegcoopz11 said: If the businessmen at the helm of this have no manager, no players/staff/fans, they have no business. Could be interesting how things pan out. No fans is the killer. Only reason why clubs get money whether it be match tickets, merchandise, tv, sponsorship etc. Is down to the fan base. No fan base, no club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylineBlue 22,590 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said: A club that has never won the Premier league and, in the last 30 years, has managed to secure 2 trophies ( both league cups) with the most recent silverware being lifted in 2008. Do they think we're fucking stupid? Malkytfp1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,263 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Big Klopp going after Gary Neville for some reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftpegcoopz11 4,582 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, esquire8 said: No fans is the killer. Only reason why clubs get money whether it be match tickets, merchandise, tv, sponsorship etc. Is down to the fan base. No fan base, no club. That's where it gets tricky. They are aiming for a different market, whether that be through any tv/sponsorship deals etc they sign up, or get signed up for. They've made it relatively clear they don't give a shit about the "real" fans of these clubs. It's aimed at the Asian and American Market to name but a few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumloyal 14,767 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Neville getting angry here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post born a blue nose 90,381 Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 BlueThunder, HuistraHairDo, Rangers#1 and 7 others 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Butler 23,000 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I don't understand the argument that they 'don't care about their fans'. The fans will now be watching their side compete against the best teams in Europe, with access and means to buy the best players in the world. How does that translate to them not caring about their fans? I'm guessing most of the griping is coming from fans of other clubs who, let's face it, are probably just really jealous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdzKyle 7,763 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Monkey Butler said: I don't understand the argument that they 'don't care about their fans'. The fans will now be watching their side compete against the best teams in Europe, with access amd means to buying the best players in the world? How does that translate to them not caring about their fans? I'm guessing most of the griping is coming from fans of other clubs who, let's face it, are probably just really jealous. They have stated that that the don’t care about legacy fans and are only focussed on “fans of the future”. It’s an insult to all football fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ForeverAndEver 70,939 Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: I don't understand the argument that they 'don't care about their fans'. The fans will now be watching their side compete against the best teams in Europe, with access and means to buy the best players in the world. How does that translate to them not caring about their fans? I'm guessing most of the griping is coming from fans of other clubs who, let's face it, are probably just really jealous. Do you actually think that Joel Glazier, or John Henry, or Stan Kroenke care about fans? AlbertzLoyalRSC, JCDBigBear, TamCoopz and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Butler 23,000 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, AdzKyle said: They have stated that that the don’t care about legacy fans and are only focussed on “fans of the future”. It’s an insult to all football fans. All clubs need to plan for the next generation of fans, that's just smart business. We do the same thing, initiatives to attract kids to Ibrox in the hope of keeping them as lifelong fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,103 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Do you actually think that Joel Glazier, or John Henry, or Stan Kroenke care about fans? Succinctly put No response required Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,954 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: I don't understand the argument that they 'don't care about their fans'. The fans will now be watching their side compete against the best teams in Europe, with access and means to buy the best players in the world. How does that translate to them not caring about their fans? I'm guessing most of the griping is coming from fans of other clubs who, let's face it, are probably just really jealous. Nope Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,103 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Monkey Butler said: All clubs need to plan for the next generation of fans, that's just smart business. We do the same thing, initiatives to attract kids to Ibrox in the hope of keeping them as lifelong fans. I’m unsure if you’re deliberately trying to play Devil’s advocate here for the sake of being contrarian Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Butler 23,000 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Do you actually think that Joel Glazier, or John Henry, or Stan Kroenke care about fans? No, but I don't see how playing in the ESL makes them care any less than they do at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,381 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: All clubs need to plan for the next generation of fans, that's just smart business. We do the same thing, initiatives to attract kids to Ibrox in the hope of keeping them as lifelong fans. Not at the expense of current fans tho. AdzKyle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Butler 23,000 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Essandoh said: I’m unsure if you’re deliberately trying to play Devil’s advocate here for the sake of being contrarian No, I just don't really care that much about the whole thing. We'll still be up here playing on plastic pitches for peanuts as usual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,148 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: I don't understand the argument that they 'don't care about their fans'. The fans will now be watching their side compete against the best teams in Europe, with access and means to buy the best players in the world. How does that translate to them not caring about their fans? I'm guessing most of the griping is coming from fans of other clubs who, let's face it, are probably just really jealous. At what cost though? The sums being quoted are astronomical. Whether they are owned by billionaires or not, they're not going to plough in all their dosh. Season ticket prices will have to go up. A new TV deal will need to be negotiated. Will Sky do it and risk losing the CL? That's not gonna be cheap. Then, there's the cost of travelling to away games. That's all on the owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Butler 23,000 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, born a blue nose said: Not at the expense of current fans tho. They're not killing their current fans mate, and Im sure they'll still allow them to buy season tickets and attend matches Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLaudrup 4,437 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I agree 100% with all the anger against this...but I’m going to put the cat amongst the pigeons for a second. Why are most of the English clubs annoyed and rightly calling it a cabal.....integrity of sport is one, losing money is a significant part. But why is it different to Scottish clubs feeling aggrieved that the English league get 6 CL places while we get no automatic places. Why is that any different of a cabal? The EPL has itself been guilty of being a cabal. It’s not just about the money...it is about the fairness of creating a system where one group automatically gets more than another without kicking a ball. They are having done to them what has been done to smaller leagues by the EPL and UEFA for years. And now we have calls to save football and fans to march etc. Government involved. Prince William making statements. While this is totally right, it is important to say that many clubs now calling for action have been themselves complicit of the decline in standards and created an environment to allow this scandal to happen today. JCDBigBear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelavic191 4,295 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: All clubs need to plan for the next generation of fans, that's just smart business. We do the same thing, initiatives to attract kids to Ibrox in the hope of keeping them as lifelong fans. They’re not planning to attract the next kids from Manchester or Liverpool. They are trying to attract the next kids in Shanghai or Tokyo or New York. Soon there will be no need for these teams to be based where they are now and will be a travelling circus. Leftpegcoopz11 and demise 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,381 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Monkey Butler said: They're not killing their current fans mate, and Im sure they'll still allow them to buy season tickets and attend matches Going by the scenes on the news I wouldn’t be so sure. it’s got car crash written all over it man Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,242 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Leftpegcoopz11 said: That's where it gets tricky. They are aiming for a different market, whether that be through any tv/sponsorship deals etc they sign up, or get signed up for. They've made it relatively clear they don't give a shit about the "real" fans of these clubs. It's aimed at the Asian and American Market to name but a few. It's going down the American sport route. In addition to new tv/sponsorship deals in these new markets. You can guarantee ESL games will get played in these countries as well. Similar to the NFL playing games outside of America. Hell even the English Premier league was talking about doing this with an extra match fixture not long ago. Leftpegcoopz11 and barrymorrison1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,954 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 JCDBigBear and ForeverAndEver 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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