Goodbye Morelos, Goldson and Kamara

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

15 hours ago, AustinGio said:

Goldson's heads been up his arse since all this contract pish came up. 

 

 

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

[Lord Lockin 3,909]

Just now, McEwan's Lager said:

It's not impossible, I mean we did sign him for around £1m, but yeah unlikely.

I'd be more confident we could cope if Roofe wasn't injury prone.

Club have already been trying with their signings to get a replacement in for the Buff if he goes - so far no one has come anywhere close to being that replacement  

[Lord Lockin 3,909]

47 minutes ago, ayrshireranger said:

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

100% spot on 

[AGM_72 3,614]

52 minutes ago, ayrshireranger said:

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

Irrelevant.

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,754]

Just now, AGM_72 said:

Irrelevant.

Completely agree. It’s absolute birthday card pish.

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

11 minutes ago, AGM_72 said:

Irrelevant.

Balls. You get a player from the fag-end of the PL as your defensive rock, then are shocked when they cant handle CL level players?. Of course it is. You want to be a CL club, you need CL level players. From other top teams in Europe or the PL. The one defender we have thats quality is an international and ex-Serie A. That isnt coincidence. 

 

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1 hour ago, ayrshireranger said:

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

He had a fantastic season last season, other than that I've never really fancied him. 

 

I was at the game that night when he tried a Cruyff turn in his own box and made a cunt of it to give them the goal. That wasn't his first time doing that either. 

 

Either sign the contract or fuck off. There has been and will be many better CBs than Connor Goldson for Rangers. 

[Raligt 2,541]

They gone yet?

Think someone has to actually make a bid for them to be sold and we've heard absolutely hee haw.

[SkylineBlue 23,173]

1 hour ago, ayrshireranger said:

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

So our rock in defence can't come from an EPL club but our star striker can come from HJK? 

[AGM_72 3,614]

11 minutes ago, ayrshireranger said:

Balls. You get a player from the fag-end of the PL as your defensive rock, then are shocked when they cant handle CL level players?. Of course it is. You want to be a CL club, you need CL level players. From other top teams in Europe or the PL. The one defender we have thats quality is an international and ex-Serie A. That isnt coincidence. 

 

Our best midfielder came from Dundee and our best striker arrived from Helsinki. Even Helander came from a mid-lower end Serie A team. 

Our opposition's best player on the night is on loan from PAOK.

We are in no position to go and pluck established CL level players because they go for tens of millions - none of which played for Malmo last night, BTW.

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

1 minute ago, AGM_72 said:

Our best midfielder came from Dundee and our best striker arrived from Helsinki. Even Helander came from a mid-lower end Serie A team. 

Our opposition's best player on the night is on loan from PAOK.

We are in no position to go and pluck established CL level players because they go for tens of millions. 

Alfredo was 21, at that age they can improve. Goldson was way past that when we signed him. He was as good as he was ever going to get. 

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We should be signing more players from Nordic/Balkan leagues….if Alfie had been in England we would have never got him. Players playing in England have inflated values because of the EPL money etc. We should be selling players to England not buying them.

[Shuggy 1,308]

Can someone tell me how much debt the club has or needs to clear given this CL exit?

I thought a fair amount had been converted into shares?

 

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

5 minutes ago, AGM_72 said:

Our best midfielder came from Dundee and our best striker arrived from Helsinki. Even Helander came from a mid-lower end Serie A team. 

Our opposition's best player on the night is on loan from PAOK.

We are in no position to go and pluck established CL level players because they go for tens of millions. 

Kamara is ex-Arsenal, Big Phil is a five year international with WC and Euro experience. They are comfortable at Euro level, Goldson isnt, by miles. To be blunt, he is Eng Championship level.

We can buy smartly and get EL/CL quality, we dont need to spend 10m+. Most leagues in Europe are within our financial reach, obviously the big 5/6 arent, but we can buy top quality from Nordic leagues, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Poland and E Europe. 

[AGM_72 3,614]

2 minutes ago, ayrshireranger said:

Alfredo was 21, at that age they can improve. Goldson was way past that when we signed him. He was as good as he was ever going to get. 

Goldson has quite obviously improved in the last two years - we conceded 13 goals last season and he was an ever present.

1 minute ago, ayrshireranger said:

Kamara is ex-Arsenal, Big Phil is a five year international with WC and Euro experience. 

Francis Jeffers was ex-Arsenal, did he do the business for us in the CL? Brandon Barker is ex-Man City. It is irrelevant. 

 

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5 minutes ago, The Blues said:

We should be signing more players from Nordic/Balkan leagues….if Alfie had been in England we would have never got him. Players playing in England have inflated values because of the EPL money etc. We should be selling players to England not buying them.

This is true 100%. We need to put a scouting network into Scandinavia. Morelos was found by JJ when he went to look at the Finnish League and Morelos was the guy who stood out. If we set up a small scouting network in Scandinavia and the Balkans we will uncover some gems.

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

4 minutes ago, AGM_72 said:

Goldson has quite obviously improved in the last two years - we conceded 13 goals last season and he was an ever present.

Francis Jeffers was ex-Arsenal, did he do the business for us in the CL? Brandon Barker is ex-Man City. It is irrelevant. 

 

1---He is a bang average defender at best, who had a vg season. In other words, he played above himself. We now see him back to his pre 2020-21 form. 

2--You cannot buy an average defender from the lower PL, make them the core of your defence, and expect to seriously compete at CL level defensively. Sorry, but our other CH has to at least be at the same level as Helander. Your backups not far off. And Goldson is nowhere near Phil's level. Any English CL side wouldnt have him in their squad. He looked ropey in the EL let alone the CL and we arent even talking the group stages. Goldson should have been replaced this season by a CL quality CH and dont tell me we couldnt spot one in the Dutch/Belgian/Nordic leagues. even Ligue 1. 

We paid 7m for Kent, 7m for Roofe and Itten, we have money. And to make CL money, you have to spend some of that on players. If that means 4/5/6m on  a real quality CH, so be it. It will pay for itself in the long run. Last night is the result of not strengthing an obvious weak point. I;d rather we spent £££ on a top quality CH, rather than the ;lad Veerman, smashing player he is. 

He was a short term defender till we got to the CL. You always have to think ahead. Gerrard hasnt and we are now fucked in the CL for another year. 

[AGM_72 3,614]

16 minutes ago, ayrshireranger said:

1---He is a bang average defender at best, who had a vg season. In other words, he played above himself. We now see him back to his pre 2020-21 form. 

2--You cannot buy an average defender from the lower PL, make them the core of your defence, and expect to seriously compete at CL level defensively. Sorry, but our other CH has to at least be at the same level as Helander. Your backups not far off. And Goldson is nowhere near Phil's level. Any English CL side wouldnt have him in their squad. He looked ropey in the EL let alone the CL and we arent even talking the group stages. Goldson should have been replaced this season by a CL quality CH and dont tell me we couldnt spot one in the Dutch/Belgian/Nordic leagues. even Ligue 1. 

We paid 7m for Kent, 7m for Roofe and Itten, we have money. And to make CL money, you have to spend some of that on players. If that means 4/5/6m on  a real quality CH, so be it. It will pay for itself in the long run. Last night is the result of not strengthing an obvious weak point. I;d rather we spent £££ on a top quality CH, rather than the ;lad Veerman, smashing player he is. 

He was a short term defender till we got to the CL. You always have to think ahead. Gerrard hasnt and we are now fucked in the CL for another year. 

1. Agree to disagree.

2. Again, none of these players we played last night are any more or less CL level than our side. Any English CL side has the ability to go and spend 30-50m on a CB to improve their squad for the CL group stages, so that's a pointless comparison. Although I imagine it's part of the reasoning behind why Arsenal just spent 50m on someone from Brighton, to become a top 4 side again. "Proven CL Level players" from Holland/Belgium/Nordic leagues don't really exist, there's really only Ajax who qualify routinely for the CL and Club Brugge who just sold a defender for around 20m - this is way beyond our means.

We also don't have money, the club has openly said on several occasions that players must be sold to balance the books. 

 

[GA1972 9,495]

1 hour ago, Lord Lockin said:

Club have already been trying with their signings to get a replacement in for the Buff if he goes - so far no one has come anywhere close to being that replacement  

Maybe we should be trying to adapt rather than trying to find a direct replacement 

This seemed to be the case at the beginning of last season when we seen Itten and Roofe in the same team on occasions. That looked like the life after Morelos plan but he stayed and now the solution is just to put one of these guys in his position and expect them to do his job. I think Itten could be a very good penalty box striker but he’s never going to do the same job Morelos does 

[Brackley Bluenose 4,479]

14 hours ago, JCDBigBear said:

That just isn't true.  There have been plenty games prior to last season where they proved that false.  If any of our players believe that then we should punt them ASAP.

Plenty of occasions especially the 7/8 games before Covid where it was exactly as it has been these past few games. 

[ayrshireranger 8,050]

16 minutes ago, AGM_72 said:

1. Agree to disagree.

2. Again, none of these players we played last night are any more or less CL level than our side. Any English CL side has the ability to go and spend 30-50m on a CB to improve their squad for the CL group stages, so that's a pointless comparison. Although I imagine it's part of the reasoning behind why Arsenal just spent 50m on someone from Brighton, to become a top 4 side again. "Proven CL Level players" from Holland/Belgium/Nordic leagues don't really exist, there's really only Ajax who qualify routinely for the CL and Club Brugge who just sold a defender for around 20m - this is way beyond our means.

We also don't have money, the club has openly said on several occasions that players must be sold to balance the books. 

 

My point re Goldson and English CL sides was about ability, they'd have him nowhere near their sides, yet we have him as the anchor/core of our defence at CL level or attempting to get to that level. (personally I think the 130m duo of Stones and Maguire are dog-sh*t. And City and United were ripped off. I actually rate both WORSE than Goldson!.)

I disagree, we can pick up top quality from those leagues, why do you think we and others and sniffing around Veerman?. OK, diff position, but many rate him as a star for the future and CL quality now even at 22. Top quality is in those leagues at a price we can afford. Those leagues may not have Real or Barca or PSG, but have Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Anderlecht, Liege. All big clubs with internationals and rising stars. I actually trust Beale and others to source out those CL level players at a decent price. 

We have some money to spend, even if we have to sell one big player. If not, we wouldnt have spent nearly 15m on three players: Kent, Roofe, Itten. We didnt sell any big names in the summer and its not a given we will now. Probably will sell Morelos or Kamara. We DO have money, we dont for the moment have CL level money. If we win the league, next year, its automatic group entry, then we are in the bigger money pot. And can plan accordingly over the summer next year. 

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Goodbye Norma Jean.

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2 hours ago, ayrshireranger said:

Before, he has slways thought he is better than he is. Thinks hes Der Kaiser.  Remember the Hamilton goal?. 

Our rock in defence should not be a player from Brighton. It should be a player of much higher previous stature. Big Phil is at least an international and ex-Serie A. 

That's just mental

Arsenal just spent £50m on a centre back from Brighton

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3 hours ago, KingKirk said:

It's a over reaction to a poor result. You don't really believe Goldson is shite mate ffs man. 

 

He's been shite the last 3 games, this after his contract pish as well. Head's clearly no in it or that was his very best last season and it doesn't get any better. 

[steven33jackie 1,917]

Other than a bid from Lille for Morelos and one from Leeds for Kent I am not sure a genuine bid has ever been submitted for either Goldson or Kamara.

Honestly think their agents are filling some heads with nonsense.