Jump to content

Full backs.


beararse
 Share

Recommended Posts

Nothing that Bassey or Patterson did last night suggests that they should be dropped for Tav and Barisic. Frankly that pair have had a poor start to the season and should be made to fight to get their spot back. That may just be the kick up the arse that they need.

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Right now he's not, tavs attempted probably about 50 crosses this season already, most have hit the first defender, he's got one assist from a cross so far in 4 competitive appearances

Defensively there isn't much between them, always been the worst part of tavs game

Tav is on a couple of assists though I'm sure. Even when playing poorly that's 2 more than Borna on the other side. And Bassey is on a couple too.

Assist stats aren't everything as they obv don't include chances then not taken. On general play imo Tav and Bassey are offering most going forward, though Paterson isn't far behind Tav.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Tav is on a couple of assists though I'm sure. Even when playing poorly that's 2 more than Borna on the other side. And Bassey is on a couple too.

Assist stats aren't everything as they obv don't include chances then not taken. On general play imo Tav and Bassey are offering most going forward, though Paterson isn't far behind Tav.

Why are people judging Patterson and Tavernier solely on assists?

I don't know the answer to the right back selection going forward but it is clear for all to see that Patterson is ready and for me, is probably the better of the two. It only becomes complicated because Tavernier is our captain so excluding him doesn't sit well with a lot of fans. Whereas, if Barisic sits, it wouldn't cause as big a controversy.

beararse likes this
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Tav is on a couple of assists though I'm sure. Even when playing poorly that's 2 more than Borna on the other side. And Bassey is on a couple too.

Assist stats aren't everything as they obv don't include chances then not taken. On general play imo Tav and Bassey are offering most going forward, though Paterson isn't far behind Tav.

Tav has two assists one is the header that wright scored from against livi he barely scraped the ball with his head, thats why i didnt include it, since then he's had about 30 crosses and they were that bad against united that charlie mulgrew looks like a world class defender the amount of clearances he made

But your right, assists aren't anything, and watching both them this season, patterson looks the more dynamic, attacking threat out of the two

Link to post
Share on other sites

FACT(see I've put it in capitals, must be true)

Barasic is either injured or off form the end result is the same hes no playing well.

Even a Tav on top form would struggle if we are only effectively  attacking down one flank and could arguably be effecting Kent's form as well.

I think Dunfermline were worried by Patterson's attacking and it was noticable that Bassey had acres of space to operate in at times. They cant double team both sides and no leave spaces in the middle you could drive a bus through.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Tav has two assists one is the header that wright scored from against livi he barely scraped the ball with his head, thats why i didnt include it, since then he's had about 30 crosses and they were that bad against united that charlie mulgrew looks like a world class defender the amount of clearances he made

But your right, assists aren't anything, and watching both them this season, patterson looks the more dynamic, attacking threat out of the two

Yeah but really you've got to include it, it's in the stats. I'm just saying there's obviously more to their play than stats, but it's wrong to deduct based on it not being a great assist 🤣

I'd have no qualms Patterson retaining his jersey, but do think Tav is still ahead of him plus is the captain so its unlikely he'll be dropped.

Link to post
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, southcoastbear said:

FACT(see I've put it in capitals, must be true)

Barasic is either injured or off form the end result is the same hes no playing well.

Even a Tav on top form would struggle if we are only effectively  attacking down one flank and could arguably be effecting Kent's form as well.

I think Dunfermline were worried by Patterson's attacking and it was noticable that Bassey had acres of space to operate in at times. They cant double team both sides and no leave spaces in the middle you could drive a bus through.

 

Huh?

Bassey only had space to work in from good intricate moves or from beating his man. He wasn't marked any less than Patterson was, he just did well repeatedly to get free.

Borna is clearly struggling. Injury, fitness, sharpness, confidence, ....who knows?  The question is where he gets the minutes needed to recover form, as we can't suffer whilst he's doing so when his cover is excelling.

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Huh?

Bassey only had space to work in from good intricate moves or from beating his man. He wasn't marked any less than Patterson was, he just did well repeatedly to get free.

Borna is clearly struggling. Injury, fitness, sharpness, confidence, ....who knows?  The question is where he gets the minutes needed to recover form, as we can't suffer whilst he's doing so when his cover is excelling.

Wasnt saying either of them did better than the other, was just trying to highlight we need to be attacking down both flanks.

To easy to cover if attacks are just down one side.

Link to post
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, plymouthranger said:

If Patterson develops the same way he’ll end up being a far superior footballer than Tav. 
 

Honestly last night he was immense and whilst it was a poorer opposition, he’s a much more developed player than Tav was at that age. He could be in the same bracket as your Robertson’s and Tierneys in terms of talent, if he applies himself.
 

Genuinely could be a top 4 level EPL fullback at his peak, he has the potential

Really don’t think he was. He was decent. Bassey was the standout. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

 Bassey on fire!!!

I just find him and Patterson exciting to watch and along with Hagi, Wright, Roofe, add so much to our game. No ponderous shit with that crew. Their energy levels alone are adding to our game. Throw in their ability and what's not to like?

We done our thing last season and it worked, whilst the scum imploded. However, resting on past glories won't win us anything as we've seen. the format always needs freshened if we are to move forward and improve.

Most of the regular starters played a number of games way beyond the call as the Gaffer persisted in using pretty much the same starting line up. I think some just need a break both physically and mentally from it, as we have looked so stale. Just need to get them hungry again.

Whilst the league remains the priority, we have to add to that, so we are lucky to have such worthy replacements for the heroes of last season. 

ronniescu likes this
Link to post
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Yeah but really you've got to include it, it's in the stats. I'm just saying there's obviously more to their play than stats, but it's wrong to deduct based on it not being a great assist 🤣

I'd have no qualms Patterson retaining his jersey, but do think Tav is still ahead of him plus is the captain so its unlikely he'll be dropped.

And all this does is stalls Patterson's development. The odd token game here or their does him no good whatsoever. Have a feeling Patterson is going to be another who leaves for pennies then goes for silly money 18-24 months later.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting that it’s “Bassey and Patterson should keep their places” based on their performances last night but at the same time people are trying to downplay Lundstram playing well because “it’s only Dunfermline”.

TamCoopz and SIRB_72 like this
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DBBTB said:

Interesting that it’s “Bassey and Patterson should keep their places” based on their performances last night but at the same time people are trying to downplay Lundstram playing well because “it’s only Dunfermline”.

Quite a deflection from you there. Is it too difficult to give the two young lads some praise?

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, DBBTB said:

Interesting that it’s “Bassey and Patterson should keep their places” based on their performances last night but at the same time people are trying to downplay Lundstram playing well because “it’s only Dunfermline”.

It really is, especially when you consider that Bassey, Patterson, Lundstram and the system they played in all helped each other have good games!

Link to post
Share on other sites

22 hours ago, rabc10000 said:

I've been saying this in here for weeks now. Next summer I think his value drops as he will be 30. After his stats and success last season now is the time to sell for maximum value 

What's his max value?. Has any club even declared an interest in borna? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, ESWF said:


Patterson isn’t on the same level as Tavernier. If he continues to develop the way we all hope they he may well.

Rubbish mate. If Tav tried to whip in a cross and a midget was the first defender, that midget is gonna have a sore face.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, DBBTB said:

Interesting that it’s “Bassey and Patterson should keep their places” based on their performances last night but at the same time people are trying to downplay Lundstram playing well because “it’s only Dunfermline”.

Lundstram was written off before he signed. Too many people listening to bitter Sheffield United supporters. See if he had signed a new deal at Bramall Lane, their support would have been happy. There wasn’t one player at SU that performed last season. Not Fleck not Sander Berge.  

I get Bassey keeping his place. He had a positive pre season and Barisic doesn’t look anywhere near his self. 
 

Writing any player off after two competitive starts is bat shit mental. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, 1NachoNovo said:

Rubbish mate. If Tav tried to whip in a cross and a midget was the first defender, that midget is gonna have a sore face.

Aye, let’s forget all those excellent deliveries and assists from wide areas. I think Patterson is a real talent but he’s not on Tav’s level. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, gazza27 said:

What's his max value?. Has any club even declared an interest in borna? 

No one knows and he's only worth what anyone is willing to pay. However the worrying thing is that our captain after the season we just had and his contribution and their appears to be next to no interest at all. In fact Alfie aside their has been next to no interest in any of our players which is very worrying indeed.   

Link to post
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, ESWF said:

Aye, let’s forget all those excellent deliveries and assists from wide areas. I think Patterson is a real talent but he’s not on Tav’s level. 

I'm not disagreeing with you mate. When Tav is on it, he's one of the best. Right now though, he's not on it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, 1NachoNovo said:

I'm not disagreeing with you mate. When Tav is on it, he's one of the best. Right now though, he's not on it.

And who’s on it? No one. Drop them all?

We won 5-0 last night. Three defeats on the trot put to bed. Forgotten. Done with. Important game on Thur then Sun. let’s look forward not backwards. Players have earned that. Our pre season was hit big time. No Portugal, no training base, pre season games unorganised. The Slavia game last season hampered our qualifiers with Balogun, Roofe & Glen all suspended along with injuries. By the way that is no excuse for a defeat to Malmo > we should have had enough to beat them. 
We still have four competitions to try and win. It’s August. After last night we move on and up the gears. Another positive in the EL qualifiers on Thursday and we head to Dingwall in confidence.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the team looked a bit fresher with Bassey and Patterson in the team, I know it was only Dunfermline but teams are setting up against Barasic and Tav in certain ways now because we've never really change our way of playing, the two deputies are more of an unknown for teams, that coupled with Barasic and Tav maybe still trying to find their best form.

bluenoz likes this
Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, superallysbears said:

I think the team looked a bit fresher with Bassey and Patterson in the team, I know it was only Dunfermline but teams are setting up against Barasic and Tav in certain ways now because we've never really change our way of playing, the two deputies are more of an unknown for teams, that coupled with Barasic and Tav maybe still trying to find their best form.

Your last few lines sums it all up and it’s not only Tav & Barisic. The whole team. Our pre season wasn’t great. Look at last pre season. Even prior to that where covid hit us yet the players were at home training and on their toes. This summer we have international competitions, injuries, suspensions and no early qualifying rounds.

Link to post
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, ESWF said:

And who’s on it? No one. Drop them all?

We won 5-0 last night. Three defeats on the trot put to bed. Forgotten. Done with. Important game on Thur then Sun. let’s look forward not backwards. Players have earned that. Our pre season was hit big time. No Portugal, no training base, pre season games unorganised. The Slavia game last season hampered our qualifiers with Balogun, Roofe & Glen all suspended along with injuries. By the way that is no excuse for a defeat to Malmo > we should have had enough to beat them. 
We still have four competitions to try and win. It’s August. After last night we move on and up the gears. Another positive in the EL qualifiers on Thursday and we head to Dingwall in confidence.

Like I said mate, I'm not disagreeing with you. I do see the irony though with you saying we forget the past, by bringing up the past. Well played :tu:

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, bluenoz said:

Quite a deflection from you there. Is it too difficult to give the two young lads some praise?


Pointing out that people seem to be picking and choosing the importance of the game based on their personal opinions of the players who played in it isn’t deflection. :lol:

All three played well last night, but the chances are the two younger players will drop out for the game on Thursday because more often than not managers turn to their more experienced players for a big game. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Upcoming Events

    • 01 December 2021 19:45 Until 21:45
      0  
      Hibernian v Rangers
      Easter Road
      Scottish Premiership
      Live on Sky Sports Football and Sky Sports Main Event
×
×
  • Create New...