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[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715]

I'd have liked a few more out the door, but am delighted with keeping all our top players.

When the msm and scum fan narrative is that this is somehow a negative compared to them spending money, that's when you know they're gutted and rightly so.

[DrLaudrup 4,604]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

I'd have liked a few more out the door, but am delighted with keeping all our top players.

When the msm and scum fan narrative is that this is somehow a negative compared to them spending money, that's when you know they're gutted and rightly so.

We've had months of articles telling us Morelos is going, Kent is going, Barisic is going, Kamara is going, Goldson is going. Constant attempts to unsettle players with stories. I think the club have behaved well and kept our cards close to our chest, as it should be. We did our business early and kept all our important players. They've brought money in for two first team starters and it remains to be seen the quality of the players they have replaced them with. A good window for us. 

[MurrayWilson 3,381]

Dont know how we would play it we dont win the league, would we avoid sales till after we try for the champions league qualifiers through the league group where there is one less round next year or would we sell at the end of the season. We have actually added more than Sakala, Lundstram and bicuna because McCann and Alegria will no doubt be in the first team squad before too long. When you consider that as well in a football sense and nothing else its been a decent window.

[STEPPS BOY 73,890]

Still say Morelos on top form and Kamara are only players we’d get real big money for.

Barasic is quality but his age would keep price down..

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

38 minutes ago, murzo said:

Does the share issue cover any costs?

£4.5m is roughly 1 month wage bill. The forecasted cash shortfall is £14.4m so fair assumption that the share issue will make that £10m now. 

[graeme_4 34,462]

I think the key questions are, 

- has our ‘best’ 11 got better?

- has our squad got better?

- have we offloaded those not involved / not wanted? 

- have our rivals closed the gap from last season?

No, Yes, Sort of, Yes - IMO. 

Still screaming out for a Davis succession plan. 

[Brian Fantana 28,894]

be honest with ourselves FFS. 

The board have no plan for additional investment, they never have and are gambling on our progression in Europe season to season to bring in required funds - that is not a safe or sustainable model. 

We did not "manage to retain" our top players - had bids for the right amount came in they would have been sold. Sad truth is no one wanted them. 

What we have needs to be good enough, we have been backed into a corner by the board. Success = investment, failure = nothing but players being sold to cover financial shortfalls

[graeme_4 34,462]

30 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Still say Morelos on top form and Kamara are only players we’d get real big money for.

Barasic is quality but his age would keep price down..

Depends what you class as big money I suppose? £8m for a RB with a handful of appearances was on the table. That’s a pretty  impactful amount of cash for us.

[STEPPS BOY 73,890]

Just now, graeme_4 said:

Depends what you class as big money I suppose? £8m for a RB with a handful of appearances was on the table. That’s a pretty  impactful amount of cash for us.

Yeah, that’s decent too.

I was meaning your Kents, Aribos and Hagi aren’t worth anywhere near what people think.
 

Obviously in Kents case Bielsa is a fan but that’s about it.

[graeme_4 34,462]

1 minute ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Yeah, that’s decent too.

I was meaning your Kents, Aribos and Hagi aren’t worth anywhere near what people think.
 

Obviously in Kents case Bielsa is a fan but that’s about it.

Agreed. Probably £12-15m for Kent, and a fair bit less than £10m for Aribo or Hagi. 

[RFC55 108,857]

Just now, Rangers_no1 said:

What is the reasoning for this?

Its the scums worst league start since 97.

Lennon lost 1 game in about 15 at the start of last season. "Angeball" has lost 4 out of 11.

Yip. Made this point before the game last week. In October last year they had the chance to go 5 points clear when they played us. 

[G13 3,038]

1 minute ago, Rangers_no1 said:

What is the reasoning for this?

Its the scums worst league start since 97.

Lennon lost 1 game in about 15 at the start of the season. "Angeball" has lost 4 out of 11.

I think partly because we didn't come out firing on all cylinders, were it not for a stupid loss to dundee utd we would be 6 in front of them with 4 games played, which tbh would probably put a different perspective on it but that's if's and but's.

[ger4life_1872 29,464]

Sort of thread we would laugh at tarriers for imo

[graeme_4 34,462]

1 minute ago, Rangers_no1 said:

What is the reasoning for this?

Its the scums worst league start since 97.

Lennon lost 1 game in about 15 at the start of last season. "Angeball" has lost 4 out of 11.

You’re looking at a very small sample of league games here.

Not talking them up, but these games have come in the middle of a massive rebuild job. They’ve also since shifted the guys that didn’t want to be there anymore, and spent a bit of money on guys that do. 

The gap won’t be the as big as the 25 points it was last year. 

[Mor3los_1 3,672]

I'm happy we have kept all our big stars. My main worry is if we fail to win 56 and get CL groups then there will be a firesale to plug the gaps. Hopefully none of our players were wanting to leave and we've refused, just look what happened to the bheggars last season for that.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,606]

8 hours ago, esquire8 said:

Only stayed because teams wouldn't pay what we wanted or weren't interested at all. Didn't sound like we were batting down offers left, right and centre.

Someone made a good point on Twitter, maybe they've been able to offload players because they wanted to leave whilst we have a settled squad here. 

Harder for agents to push for deals if players are happy where they are whereas it's been well documented that Edouard and the likes have been wanting away from that midden for a good long while now. 

[BridgeIsBlue 66,606]

17 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

be honest with ourselves FFS. 

The board have no plan for additional investment, they never have and are gambling on our progression in Europe season to season to bring in required funds - that is not a safe or sustainable model. 

We did not "manage to retain" our top players - had bids for the right amount came in they would have been sold. Sad truth is no one wanted them. 

What we have needs to be good enough, we have been backed into a corner by the board. Success = investment, failure = nothing but players being sold to cover financial shortfalls

The board have put in £80m+ since 2015.

[TamCoopz 19,605]

17 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

You’re looking at a very small sample of league games here.

Not talking them up, but these games have come in the middle of a massive rebuild job. They’ve also since shifted the guys that didn’t want to be there anymore, and spent a bit of money on guys that do. 

The gap won’t be the as big as the 25 points it was last year. 

You’re using the same small sample of league games to say  they’ve closed the gap 

[graeme_4 34,462]

8 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

11 games is hardly a very small sample. They still have the same problems they had last season defensively. 

It was never going to be near 25 points as we weren't going close to unbeaten this year. 

Even more convinced after Sunday we win the league by at least 10 points.

So they have closed the gap? Make up your mind. 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

33 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

be honest with ourselves FFS. 

The board have no plan for additional investment, they never have and are gambling on our progression in Europe season to season to bring in required funds - that is not a safe or sustainable model. 

We did not "manage to retain" our top players - had bids for the right amount came in they would have been sold. Sad truth is no one wanted them. 

What we have needs to be good enough, we have been backed into a corner by the board. Success = investment, failure = nothing but players being sold to cover financial shortfalls

As a club, we were due to move to a self sustainable model last summer. Since then, and looking forward to the end of the season, the board/investors will need to put in another c.£20-25m. 

You continually post that nonsense and are continually wrong. 

[Gman36 3,455]

2 hours ago, eskbankloyal said:

Good news from a short term footballing perspective but one that opens the club up to a lot of risk. 

As it stands we’ve got a c.£10-15m funding shortfall this season with no transparency on how that is met. We know the main investors are maxed out, we know that recent funding went in as secured loans with interest attached. So where is that coming from?

We also have a scenario now where most of our main assets next summer will be a year older, and only have 1 year left on their deals: Kent, Morelos, Kamara (albeit rumours he might extend), Aribo & Helander with the likes of McGregor, Davis, Arfield, McLaughlin all out of contract. 

Not withstanding the first point about funding & assuming they find investor(s) to fund it, it really is all or nothing this season. Fail to win the league this year and we’re in a whole world of pain. 

How many years have we been saying this though? So basically we need to win at least 2 iar or we're fucked? Again we're thinking unsustainably and putting immense pressure on the players. 

There was a fair bit of luck last season too / scum meltdown. We might not be so lucky this season. 

I reckon if we'd received good enough bids players would've been off. 

[GersInCanada 7,775]

The board deserve our trust. We can speculate but they have the facts.

We have strengthened our squad in that window and with injuries and suspensions clearing up we will soon be like the side of last season. It has been a difficult start to the season but hopefully that is now behind us.

Time to kick on, win 56, and get the CL riches.

[graeme_4 34,462]

14 minutes ago, TamCoopz said:

You’re using the same small sample of league games to say  they’ve closed the gap 

I think the gap will be less than 25 points, based on what I’ve seen so far from both sides. 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

42 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Yeah, that’s decent too.

I was meaning your Kents, Aribos and Hagi aren’t worth anywhere near what people think.
 

Obviously in Kents case Bielsa is a fan but that’s about it.

Bielsa is a fan but equally would rather pay £30m for Dan James than £15-20m for Kent which says a lot 

[graeme_4 34,462]

8 minutes ago, GersInCanada said:

The board deserve our trust. We can speculate but they have the facts.

We have strengthened our squad in that window and with injuries and suspensions clearing up we will soon be like the side of last season. It has been a difficult start to the season but hopefully that is now behind us.

Time to kick on, win 56, and get the CL riches.

The impact of Covid on anyone’s business plan cannot be underestimated.