The Dude 20,026 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: Point made for me thanks. I’m 10x more likely to get the flu than Covid. Yet every available resource has been used to fight this disease that’s taking much less lives than everything else in the country. More likely to get the flu, more likely to die from covid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said: The last time I looked, a couple of weeks ago, the MHRA yellow card reporting system was showing over 1500 deaths in the UK and over a million adverse side effects, ranging from a sore arm to strokes/permanent blindness. Look if you, or anybody, wants to take this vaccine that’s fine. I can perfectly understand why those in the high risk category for Covid such as those over 50 or those with known health risks would want to take it. However, the decision not to take it, if you are younger and healthy and the risk balance is not clear, should also be down to the individual without coercion like being made a second class citizen in terms of what they are allowed to do. All the more so, when we know these vaccines do not sterilise the virus and you can catch and spread Covid even when you’re vaccinated. There is therefore no chance that herd immunity will be reached using these vaccines. The decision is a purely personal one as it only affects the health of the individual themselves. 1500 what? Deaths due to the vaccine? Fuck me, wanna buy some magic beans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Madina 3,722 Posted September 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2021 Maybe someone can explain to me, but why are we seeing more deaths (and more cases) this year, than this time last year when there was no vaccine? Dont give me the party line pish of "DeLtA iS mOrE tRaNsMisSaBLe!!!!!!" Is it maybe due to the fact the vaccine is absolute shite? Needing boosters about 6 months on from the elderly/vulnerable groups being double dosed. What an absolute minter of a "vaccine" dougie76, Brian Fantana , Bearsden bear and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pure_Quality 3,295 Posted September 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2021 Can @admin give those of us who are double vaccinated two ticks instead of one and set up a new subforum please so we don't need to hear from the plebs please? K thnks. Drunk and disorderly., AdzKyle, mitre_mouldmaster and 12 others 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Madina said: Maybe someone can explain to me, but why are we seeing more deaths (and more cases) this year, than this time last year when there was no vaccine? Dont give me the party line pish of "DeLtA iS mOrE tRaNsMisSaBLe!!!!!!" Is it maybe due to the fact the vaccine is absolute shite? Needing boosters about 6 months on from the elderly/vulnerable groups being double dosed. What an absolute minter of a "vaccine" There are simpletons, and then there is you. Like for your own sake im hoping you are joking with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said: The last time I looked, a couple of weeks ago, the MHRA yellow card reporting system was showing over 1500 deaths in the UK and over a million adverse side effects, ranging from a sore arm to strokes/permanent blindness. Look if you, or anybody, wants to take this vaccine that’s fine. I can perfectly understand why those in the high risk category for Covid such as those over 50 or those with known health risks would want to take it. However, the decision not to take it, if you are younger and healthy and the risk balance is not clear, should also be down to the individual without coercion like being made a second class citizen in terms of what they are allowed to do. All the more so, when we know these vaccines do not sterilise the virus and you can catch and spread Covid even when you’re vaccinated. There is therefore no chance that herd immunity will be reached using these vaccines. The decision is a purely personal one as it only affects the health of the individual themselves. The risk balance IS clear. The side effects, like every other drug available for medical purposes carry side effects. Even allowing for the fanciful 1500 number all being directly attributable to the vaccine, of a total 92,053,472 doses administered, that means 0.00162949% of doses have caused a death. Just to give that a little bit of context. If every single person inside Ibrox on a matchday was given the vaccine, 0.8 people would die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibroxholm 2,260 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Dude said: They are used under an emergency use but have passed all three stages of clinical trials. The Phase 3 trials were completed last year - here's the results as published at the time - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 MRNA trials were successfully performed on mice in 1990. While the Covid vaccines were ALL successfully trialled on animals: Pfizer- https://jwww.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna Johnson & Johnson https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-announces-that-janssens-covid-19-investigational-vaccine-candidate-prevents-severe-clinical-disease-in-pre-clinical-studies Moderna https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-publication-new-england-journal-medicine-non Please stop making shit up that is verifiably bullshit. They do not finish the trials to 2022/23, I will look up and find the documents that show this and post them. Why do you think they were issued under emergency use documentation? Why do you think they refuse to take liability for any side effects? Since Covid has only been a thing since early 2020, how can they possibly know the medium / long term effects by late 2020? These vaccines were not successfully trialled on animals to my understanding. The early clinical trials were to assess effectiveness for prevention of serious illness, not infection or spread of Covid. The manufacturers make no claims on this. The choice whether to take these vaccines is therefore a solely personal health decision and should be considered as such without coercion. five stars 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assegai 7,124 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Bigdave30 said: I can actually remember laughing at cunts for suggesting that vaccine passports would become reality. A bit of egg on my face lately. I admire your candour. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Siam69 said: £500 says this thread go the same as the last, locked, told to take it to the Covid thread Take it to the covid thread. Bluekev, Sparkle, trueblue 64 and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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