The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Ted E Bayer said: I absolutely think this when I watch Morelos fluff his lines over and over again lately. Then we know to disregard whatever pish it is you come out with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Not particularly no. A goal in the Premiership is just as important as a goal in the Europa League. Given he scored two goals fewer than Roofe last season in the league, he's nowhere near as far off it as some want to suggest. Roofe played 5 games less in the league though, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,461 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, The Dude said: Not particularly no. A goal in the Premiership is just as important as a goal in the Europa League. Given he scored two goals fewer than Roofe last season in the league, he's nowhere near as far off it as some want to suggest. How can you say the league is the priority and has been for your 35 years, and then in the next sentence says it’s ‘not particularly’ more important than a goal in another competition. You’re tying yourself in knots. This isn’t the Roofe thread, and I don’t have his goals to minutes ratio, but I’d guess it’s better than Morelos since he joined the club. That doesn’t mean I think Roofe is better or is doing enough either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: How can you say the league is the priority and has been for your 35 years, and then in the next sentence says it’s ‘not particularly’ more important than a goal in another competition. You’re tying yourself in knots. This isn’t the Roofe thread, and I don’t have his goals to minutes ratio, but I’d guess it’s better than Morelos since he joined the club. That doesn’t mean I think Roofe is better or is doing enough either. Because they all feed into each other. Shite results in Europe (and the lack of finance that comes with it) = a big drop in £. A big drop in £ = a big drop in quality of players. A big drop in quality of players = no title challenge. PGWoodwind 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted E Bayer 484 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 35 minutes ago, TamCoopz said: I will be hosting a striker training session via a zoom call tonight, hoping Alfredo tunes in Gonny makre sure he learns the fake shot. TamCoopz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Roofe played 5 games less in the league though, So were both not scoring enough last season? is 14 goals in 29 that much worse than 12 in 34? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nk89 1,289 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Dude said: Probably but Andy Firth latest deal, signing Flanagan and Defoe's new contract do him few favours in that regard (as well as one or two others). Its one area I've never been totally convinced by under Gerrard. Our signings are VERY hit and miss under him. For every Goldson theres a Jon Flanagan and an Eros Grezda. Is tht not the same with most managers/teams? I don't always think its the managers fault when a player doesn't perform! Look at Salah when he went to Chelsea he woulda been seen as a poor signing! Look at him now? Is that the Chelsea manager making a bad signing? Or is tht Salah under performing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,177 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Morelos is still our best player The Dude and ForeverAndEver 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,177 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Nk89 said: Is tht not the same with most managers/teams? I don't always think its the managers fault when a player doesn't perform! Look at Salah when he went to Chelsea he woulda been seen as a poor signing! Look at him now? Is that the Chelsea manager making a bad signing? Or is tht Salah under performing? Can you help me understand who you’re comparing to Salah here? Is it Flanagan or Grezda? I will accept either answer from you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,461 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, The Dude said: So were both not scoring enough last season? is 14 goals in 29 that much worse than 12 in 34? 0.48 per game, vs 0.35 per game is a pretty significant drop off (more than 25%). I’d like to see more out of them both to be honest. Roofe is just about 1 in 2, while Morleos is around 1 in 3. Last season was fine because others were contributing, when they’re not you really need you strikers to come up with the goods. Roy Hobbs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Nk89 said: Is tht not the same with most managers/teams? I don't always think its the managers fault when a player doesn't perform! Look at Salah when he went to Chelsea he woulda been seen as a poor signing! Look at him now? Is that the Chelsea manager making a bad signing? Or is tht Salah under performing? If it was only one or two abject failures and a host of roaring successes, it would be fairer to place the blame just at the players. Without looking at the full list, I'm not sure we're even hitting a 50% success rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, graeme_4 said: 0.48 per game, vs 0.35 per game is a pretty significant drop off (more than 25%). I’d like to see more out of them both to be honest. Roofe is just about 1 in 2, while Morleos is around 1 in 3. Last season was fine because others were contributing, when they’re not you really need you strikers to come up with the goods. So how many should they be scoring each season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted E Bayer 484 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Dude said: Mate, I can give you some email addresses for people at Ibrox if you want to share this ground-breaking analysis. He's scored five in fifteen and created a couple more. Its working more than you give him credit for. You're not getting it brother. I shall leave you festering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Morelos is still our best player By quite a distance too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 64,530 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Grezda has more talent than Salah just a shame he is a lunatic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,484 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Dude said: Not particularly no. A goal in the Premiership is just as important as a goal in the Europa League. Given he scored two goals fewer than Roofe last season in the league, he's nowhere near as far off it as some want to suggest. Roofe started 13 games, Morelos started 22 and Roofe still outscored him from largely playing in a wider role. People can defend Morelos but I don't believe for a second that on a minute by minute basis that he was better than Roofe last season, not even close. Edit: league stats btw Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nk89 1,289 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, .Williamson. said: Can you help me understand who you’re comparing to Salah here? Is it Flanagan or Grezda? I will accept either answer from you None of them, just making the point that because a player performs poorly , that surely doesn't mean it was the wrong signing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,890 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nk89 said: Is tht not the same with most managers/teams? I don't always think its the managers fault when a player doesn't perform! Look at Salah when he went to Chelsea he woulda been seen as a poor signing! Look at him now? Is that the Chelsea manager making a bad signing? Or is tht Salah under performing? The issue for me is that we’ve signed numerous wingers/midfielders and tried to turn them in to this inverted ten that we play instead of actually bringing in players who can play that position. The Dude and Nk89 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Ted E Bayer said: You're not getting it brother. I shall leave you festering. You're right I'm not getting it. Morelos is in a bad run of form. It happens to every player who ever plays the game. There's not a player at the club who hasn't had a similar run in their career and even the manager and his sidekick had spells in their own playing career when they were pretty fucking woeful. That doesn't mean he's suddenly forgotten how to do basic things and needs some fucking youtube video to show him how to strike a ball Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Nk89 said: None of them, just making the point that because a player performs poorly , that surely doesn't mean it was the wrong signing? When half of your signings don't perform it isn't all on the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,461 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: So how many should they be scoring each season? Already said 20-25 is the benchmark for a Rangers striker that starts every week. https://www.myfootballfacts.com/world-football/scottish-football/scottish_premier_league_top_goalscorers/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,890 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 This shouldn’t be a Morelos/Roofe argument as both should start. we can’t be having Morelos or Roofe sitting on bench whilst we are sorely lacking players who can chip in with goals. graeme_4, BlueAvenger and PGWoodwind 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,177 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nk89 said: None of them, just making the point that because a player performs poorly , that surely doesn't mean it was the wrong signing? They were definitely both the wrong signings. They were both utter utter pish and both scumbags into the mix aswell Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Already said 20-25 is the benchmark for a Rangers striker that starts every week. https://www.myfootballfacts.com/world-football/scottish-football/scottish_premier_league_top_goalscorers/ So in his four seasons at the club, you think Morelos has failed to hit the level required in every one of them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsden bear 2,376 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Morelos is still our best player Maybe if he would get his finger out his arse. Still think Aribo will earn us more than the buff in transfer fees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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