Tom Devine ..Hes Gone Too Far This Time

[slimjim1690 4,534]

1 minute ago, Bluekev said:

That's why there's a problem mate. Everything is one sided. Media, Government even the Law. If everyone was treated equally I don't think it would go away but it certainly wouldn't be like it is currently.

It would be a starting point.

[Grundy 732]

Had a look at Devine's Wiki page, never seen someone with so many honours, plaudits, awards, etc.  Nevertheless he is incapable of hiding his bigotry and selective blindness.  A nasty old bigot and I would love to see him taken to task for his comments.

[They Gnu 11,553]

33 minutes ago, slimjim1690 said:

I'm going to take a lot of shit for this but I'm going to say it anyway, this only seems to be a major problem in the west of Scotland, speaking for myself living here in Canada it's not a problem here where non catholics and catholics educated separately live in harmony, now don't get me wrong I have no time for catholicism but how can it be that in other parts of the world society can live together with separate education systems yet it's seen as a problem in Scotland?

Scotland and particularly the west of Scotland's problems go a lot deeper because of the history of the immigration of so many Irish catholics concentrated in one particular area during the famine and the problems of integration that spawned from that not helped by the catholic church's input, as for this supposedly highly educated historian coming out with this bigoted nonsense, he's just adding to the problem with his one sided argument

So why doesn’t Cardiff and South Wales have the same issues, a Protestant Country (Methodist/Baptist) where mass Irish Catholic migration in the mid 19th century was almost identical to what occurred in and around Glasgow?

[graeme_4 34,508]

28 minutes ago, Willis said:

Rangers to blame for the hole in the ozone simply because celtic fans dont use deodorant or other aerosol cleaning products 

Too many international players as well. 

[They Gnu 11,553]

29 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

He's not happy with the black shirts, racist pig.

He knew exactly what he was doing using that terminology.

[sRcFoCt 7,662]

Sir Tom devine won't see 10 in a row

[GersInCanada 7,775]

Having read the posts I have no intention of listening to the narrative.

I had never heard of him before and hope never to hear from him

again.

[onlythestrongsurvive 1,007]

right that's it, a class action lawsuit. we all sue together for slander

by the way, who is he lol

[graeme_4 34,508]

2 minutes ago, GersInCanada said:

Having read the posts I have no intention of listening to the narrative.

I had never heard of him before and hope never to hear from him

again.

Should listen just for the banter. Hilariously bigoted. 

[slimjim1690 4,534]

11 minutes ago, They Gnu said:

So why doesn’t Cardiff and South Wales have the same issues, a Protestant Country (Methodist/Baptist) where mass Irish Catholic migration in the mid 19th century was almost identical to what occurred in and around Glasgow?

TBH I have no idea mate, maybe the protestant church in Wales didn't set up soup kitchens for them in order to convert them as was the case in Glasgow according to certain historians.

[They Gnu 11,553]

1 minute ago, slimjim1690 said:

TBH I have no idea mate, maybe the protestant church in Wales didn't set up soup kitchens for them in order to convert them as was the case in Glasgow according to certain historians.

No celtic fc no bigotry, it’s really that simple.

[GaryStevens02 148]

Just now, They Gnu said:

No celtic fc no bigotry, it’s really that simple.

Unfortunately it’s not quite as simple as that. I can illustrate this with a true story.

A good number of years ago my brother worked part time in a large Computer factory, let’s say the one with 3 letters. He was asked to apply for a permanent job as he was quite obviously capable and suited to the environment. Mysteriously his invite to come for an interview arrived after the interview date.As my father had worked there since the early days,  he went and chased this up as something didn’t add up, the letter had been posted from Ayrshire nowhere near the factory. Long and short of it , there was a cabal at play in the Personnel dept trying to bias who was getting employed to their own bigoted beliefs. Warnings were issued to individuals etc.

Some  time later,  now employed at said factory,  my brother  had a car accident and was taken to hospital, nothing serious but it was in the local paper. A mysterious letter appeared addressed to my mother to the effect that the individual hoped the accident was serious and hopefully my brother wouldn’t come back out of hospital. By whatever means , I was at school at the time and don’t really remember, it was established this had come from someone within the Personnel dept.

My family have no faith beliefs and are not interested in anyone’s big book of stories but to this day I despise that certain kind of RC cabal and their sleekit ways of infiltrating and influencing and that seems to me to be the root cause of what is wrong with Scotland at the moment. 

[Dickie1963 2,352]

This is not something we should ignore.

Devine has the ear of government. 

The Club "must" respond. 

[Moody Blue 9,349]

I find it remarkable that all these so-called experts are coming out the woodwork now and been nowhere to be seen/heard in the last decade. 

Let us repeat, 55 has been devastating. 

[Ladytonbear 375]

9 minutes ago, Dickie1963 said:

This is not something we should ignore.

Devine has the ear of government. 

The Club "must" respond. 

This. Whatever we might think,  he is seen as a credible expert by both Holyrood and Westminster - they knighted him ffs.

This latest diatribe is once again part of the agenda to move the conversation from being a two sided ‘sectarian’ debate to a one sided ‘racism’ issue- with our club and fans being the sole perpetrators.

Not a big fan of meaningless statements from the club that achieve fuck all, but surely - even from a business perspective- the board cannot allow this to go unchallenged?

[HuistraHairDo 12,490]

Can someone fill Jimmy's bottle up it's getting low 

[BlueAvenger 10,238]

I haven’t listened but I’m sure man of integrity Devine has condemned that vile club for sectarianism !! That’s not having any non RCs on their board for over 100 years….

[smudger.kp 105]

He has lost the plot.He is a total bigot.All the songs praising the ira and songs about protestants dying and effigies hanging from the parkhead stands and young boys attacked with bottles etc etc all forgotten in his bigoted mind.He is looking for violent reactions.Dont fall for it.

[josmc 525]

2 hours ago, bluenoz said:

To point the finger at only one faction to the problem of sectarianism in the west of Scotland is in fact the problem. Calling out one side makes him look like the bigot. I never heard theses historians complain when celtic were winning. Tom Devine is an educated man blighted by religion.

Until schools are integrated and children are seen as one for at least a generation, sectarianism will continue to exist. Take away catholic schools and you take away their martyrdom. It will never happen.

 

This is exactly why the problem will continue to blight the country. Until all factions accept responsibility for their actions, or their fans actions, then nothing will change. There’s no point in continually blaming the big bad proddies, because that is to turn a blind eye to what your own are doing. They argue that dirty orange bastard isn’t sectarian but want people arrested for calling someone a soap dodgers. Where the fuck is the logic there. They also see nothing wrong with glorifying a terrorist group that murdered literally thousands of people. I myself am not really offended by anything they sing, but to have a level playing field, people like Mr Devine should accept that singing such songs will offend and upset millions of people. Especially folk who lost loved ones and friends to the murdering bastards. They may not want to own the shame of it, but in broad terms celtic and the majority of their fans are pro Catholic and Anti Protestant. Until everyone accepts that blatant truth, the status quo will remain. So Mr Devine and friends, please try to see the full picture and don’t throw stones if your own house has hundreds of windows. 

[GOAT 30,449]

Still no statement from Rangers.  Disgrace.

[BlueVanguard 6,622]

2 hours ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

CALL IN THE LAWYERS!!!!!

Picked up on a few posts of yours in the DE H&H topic are you a lawyer yourself?

[Hadron Collider 30,871]

2 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Still no statement from Rangers.  Disgrace.

 

[Bad Robot 21,149]

You would think a national newspaper had been caught out lately where many of their journalists where identified as actual bigots … but sectarianism only a one way street don’t cha know 

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

Pick it out you twisted bitter old twat ! 

[Sparkle 53,581]

1 hour ago, They Gnu said:

He knew exactly what he was doing using that terminology.

He’s not the only one. Dornan the bigot also referenced black shirts in his rant.

They are both cut from the same cloth of course.