mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, five stars said: I suggest you actually read some the studies you refer too. These vaccines are experimental, the long term effectiveness and side effects are not known. That obvious. mRNA vaccines may be the future of vaccines, we'll have to wait and see on that one. Although these vaccines are experimental, it doesn't mean the benefits outway the risks for many people. Unfortunately, if your male and between 12 - 16, the cure is more likely to put you in hospital than the disease. Absolute horse shit. Out of all the simpletons on here, I think you may very well have the least developed brain. I bet you eat pasta with your hands. docspiderman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,272 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dude said: Here's the numbers in England from January -July On there own it's impossible to draw any conclusions from those numbers, the same as it's impossible to draw any conclusions from what @SeparateEntityMyArse posted (even though he fucked it). Currently there are more people dying who are fully vaccinated, however the overwhelming majority of them are over 60. When you consider that just shy of 100% of over 60s are fully vaccinated then of course the figures will say that more people who have been fully vaccinated are dying than people who are unvaccinated. To put it another way, if every single person in the entire country was fully vaccinated and people were still dying then you could say that everyone who died of covid was fully vaccinated. On its own it still doesn't allow you to draw any conclusions about the efficacy of the vaccine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,464 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 In-laws neighbour got taken away in an ambulance Thursday night struggling to breath from COVID passed away on Friday. Double vaccinated aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,621 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: Absolute horse shit. Out of all the simpletons on here, I think you may very well have the least developed brain. I bet you eat pasta with your hands. Thanks for your intelligent input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, five stars said: Thanks for your intelligent input. You are quite welcome. You are still a bumbling moron who I can only imagine aspires to one day be a burger flipper at McDonalds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson loyal 552 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: You are quite welcome. You are still a bumbling moron who I can only imagine aspires to one day be a burger flipper at McDonalds. Weren't you the one that was saying children should be able to overrule their parents when it comes to making decisions about taking the vaccine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don logan 8,062 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, five stars said: Taking away people's human rights because they won't have an experimental medical treatment is in the realm of Totalitarianism. If they had extensive scientific evidence that the unvaccinated where spreading the delta variant significantly more than the vaccinated then they might have reasonable justification for such extreme measures. I've been looking and as yet have found no such evidence. Their not taking away their human rights. Just prohibiting them from attending large scale events. Events that wouldn't be happening at all if everyone else was as stupidly informed on vaccines as they are. Siam69, Geo17, Marco and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, Nelson loyal said: Weren't you the one that was saying children should be able to overrule their parents when it comes to making decisions about taking the vaccine? I actually said that kids 'could overrule their parents to get the vaccine' which is factually correct, much like everything I say. I know, I know, im obnoxiously correct all the time. Its hard to counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, five stars said: Taking away people's human rights because they won't have an experimental medical treatment is in the realm of Totalitarianism. If they had extensive scientific evidence that the unvaccinated where spreading the delta variant significantly more than the vaccinated then they might have reasonable justification for such extreme measures. I've been looking and as yet have found no such evidence. Which human rights are being taken away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson loyal 552 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: I actually said that kids 'could overrule their parents to get the vaccine' which is factually correct, much like everything I say. I know, I know, im obnoxiously correct all the time. Its hard to counter. You are an utter fanny is what you are. Only morons and wrong yins have those kind of views on children making adult decisions. Rambo1872 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Nelson loyal said: You are an utter fanny is what you are. Only morons and wrong yins have those kind of views on children making adult decisions. I like the poetry to your words. its makes up for the utter drivel that you are actually saying. Keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dude said: Which human rights are being taken away? I'm assuming a democratic right to choose whether u want a vaccine rather than being forced into it??? Especially when no one really knows the long term effects whether that's 12 months, 5 years or 20 years down the line??? Rambo1872 and Nelson loyal 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, rabc10000 said: I'm assuming a democratic right to choose whether u want a vaccine rather than being forced into it??? Especially when no one really knows the long term effects whether that's 12 months, 5 years or 20 years down the line??? You have the right to choose whether or not to take the vaccine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 18/09/2021 at 09:04, Bears r us said: I cannot see how 50 + K people can be checked before a game, just not possible time wise, how do the incompetent SNP/ Greens plan to sort this before the Hivs game?? Bears r us 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: You have the right to choose whether or not to take the vaccine. Yes bit when it comes to being excluded from social aspects of life, for me that is wrong and and is the beginning of a split/2 tier society which I feel will only become worse. Imagine not being allowed not to go out to watch the fitba or shopping just because u have a differing opinion to others Rambo1872 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 17/09/2021 at 21:16, G.E.C. said: Out of curiosity how did everyone feel after getting the second jab? Was absolutely fine after the first but felt awful after the second one. I felt absolutely fine after both, a pain in my arm a little and maybe a little fatigued but I was hungover both times I got the jag, still told my work that it kicked my arse so I could have a day off cause my genius Mrs booked the jabs for a Sunday morning. The Mrs felt totally after hers too. I reckon a significant percentage of those saying they were sick after it were just pulling a fly one like me to get a day off knowing no one is going to challenge it 😅 Jamie0202 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, rabc10000 said: Yes bit when it comes to being excluded from social aspects of life, for me that is wrong and and is the beginning of a split/2 tier society which I feel will only become worse. Imagine not being allowed not to go out to watch the fitba or shopping just because u have a differing opinion to others So there's no human rights being breached/revoked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Dude said: You have the right to choose whether or not to take the vaccine. Listen this is just a meaningless line that gets repeated. Yes you di have the option but you're ignoring the fact that you're being stripped of your rights if you don't get it. In some places you apparently now can't go to work and are suspended without pay until vaccinated, that's not a choice its manipulation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, rabc10000 said: Yes bit when it comes to being excluded from social aspects of life, for me that is wrong and and is the beginning of a split/2 tier society which I feel will only become worse. Imagine not being allowed not to go out to watch the fitba or shopping just because u have a differing opinion to others It’s not a normal situation though. People are entitled to do what they want but there’s going to be consequences whether that’s certain places not letting you in etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dude said: So there's no human rights being breached/revoked? so segregation is fine as long as those segregated from society still have bread and water? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis 20,919 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, the goal machine said: It’s not a normal situation though. People are entitled to do what they want but there’s going to be consequences whether that’s certain places not letting you in etc. If businesses want to decide to not let unmasked or unvaccinated people in thats a different argument, its the government mandating it thats the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Willis said: so segregation is fine as long as those segregated from society still have bread and water? Someone said human rights were being taken away, I asked which, that was the response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Willis said: Listen this is just a meaningless line that gets repeated. Yes you di have the option but you're ignoring the fact that you're being stripped of your rights if you don't get it. In some places you apparently now can't go to work and are suspended without pay until vaccinated, that's not a choice its manipulation What rights are you being stripped of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Willis said: If businesses want to decide to not let unmasked or unvaccinated people in thats a different argument, its the government mandating it thats the problem. It will probably get the numbers up and that’s all they’re concerned about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,794 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Willis said: That will need to be the way. Bad Robot 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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