RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,880 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, DMax399 said: I hope not. I would question anyone who comes in and continues with what has largely failed in the past, and expect a different outcome. I’m going to be honest here but I doubt any will change it and I’d imagine tav will be part of any new managers plans going forward MayboleLoyal_atb and Tiger Shaw 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,308 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I really do not understand why people think changing the captaincy will make any difference to the ability that is lacking in this squad. I do not care who is the captain it is the overall quality in the squad that is lacking and to be honest I would only keep four players from it . Roy Hobbs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookWorm 4,718 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackpoolBear1952 399 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted E Bayer 541 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I don't think it would do any harm to swap it out. Would be nice to have a captain that drives the team verbally and not just with the occasional, top drawer goal/pen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 32,497 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 The new manager must change the atmosphere in the dressing room and show the players who's boss. Tav has never been a good captain. First order of business - make Butland the captain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,880 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, bluenoz said: The new manager must change the atmosphere in the dressing room and show the players who's boss. Tav has never been a good captain. First order of business - make Butland the captain. Butland and raskin for captain and vice captain then. see when whoever is the new manager doesn’t change it, what will you lot do then? Demand he’s sacked Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bluenoz 32,497 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, RFC55 said: Butland and raskin for captain and vice captain then. see when whoever is the new manager doesn’t change it, what will you lot do then? Demand he’s sacked you lot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,880 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, bluenoz said: you lot? Yes those demanding the new manager comes in and does this and that, I’m wondering how you’s will cope when he doesn’t do any of it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 32,497 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, RFC55 said: Yes those demanding the new manager comes in and does this and that, I’m wondering how you’s will cope when he doesn’t do any of it I think I will cope just fine mate. If you don't think it is time to change, that's your prerogative, but for me, change is needed, and has been for quite some time. Until Butland arrived, no one else really stood out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 92,709 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 You'd have to be crazy to come in to the club and take the captaincy off of tav wether we think it's right or wrong. He's no even like the Ian black type of player were players could think thank fuck, a lot of players will look up to him. Come in and get the best out of him and the team, that's the strategy I'd be hoping for the new manager. Drunk and disorderly. and Tiger Shaw 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,880 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, bluenoz said: I think I will cope just fine mate. If you don't think it is time to change, that's your prerogative, but for me, change is needed, and has been for quite some time. Until Butland arrived, no one else really stood out. Change might well be needed but he’s not going to come into the club and strip tav of the captaincy, drop goldson etc and start 4 youth players which is the usual shout on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMax399 4,013 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, docspiderman said: I really do not understand why people think changing the captaincy will make any difference to the ability that is lacking in this squad. I do not care who is the captain it is the overall quality in the squad that is lacking and to be honest I would only keep four players from it . It’s about leadership mate. We don’t have any. It’s not the only problem we have, but it is a problem that needs addressed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 56,413 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 As things stand right now, I think Jack Butland is the next Rangers captain but he’s not going to be handed the armband now. Can see a situation next season where Tav remains the “club captain” going forward, but as his minutes start to reduce (which they should because he will turn 33 not long after the season starts) Butland will have the armband more on a week to week basis. born a blue nose and RockwellGers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 92,709 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: As things stand right now, I think Jack Butland is the next Rangers captain but he’s not going to be handed the armband now. Can see a situation next season where Tav remains the “club captain” going forward next season, but as his minutes start to reduce (which they should because he will turn 33 not long after the season starts) Butland will have the armband more on a week to week basis. Would be happy with that but would prefer Tav to be moved on at the end of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: As things stand right now, I think Jack Butland is the next Rangers captain but he’s not going to be handed the armband now. Can see a situation next season where Tav remains the “club captain” going forward, but as his minutes start to reduce (which they should because he will turn 33 not long after the season starts) Butland will have the armband more on a week to week basis. He can't be here next season, no way no how. bluenoz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookWorm 4,718 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Tav is a big part of the staleness that is surrounding this team. It needs changed. bluenoz and bluenose244 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 9,226 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I don't know tbh. Does the captain role hold the same importance in modern football? Not something I think much about tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 9,226 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 We need someone to blame. That's about the size of it eh Drunk and disorderly. and docspiderman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer 11 2,860 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 A Smart manager would try and find a way to engineer a move in January for tav bluenose244 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worlds_Most_Successful_Team 70 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 6 hours ago, born a blue nose said: You'd have to be crazy to come in to the club and take the captaincy off of tav wether we think it's right or wrong. He's no even like the Ian black type of player were players could think thank fuck, a lot of players will look up to him. Come in and get the best out of him and the team, that's the strategy I'd be hoping for the new manager. I think the impact of a captain is very overrated amongst fans. Players can be leaders on the pitch without being captain. Like him or hate him, he's a leader in the squad. Been in squads at low points with players like Rob Kiernan, invincible 55, embarrassing some massive money clubs in Europe and a European final that took pens to separate. If captain did mean something there's not a player that's seen us at our shitteat and our best more than tav. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,308 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 6 hours ago, DMax399 said: It’s about leadership mate. We don’t have any. It’s not the only problem we have, but it is a problem that needs addressed. The role is overstated nowadays, our successful captains have been in successful teams which were successful because of the quality in the team. Our great captains in the past would be powerless now and make not a jot of difference to our present plodders. Man City are the most successful side recently and their captain for the pst few years was the quietist, least in your face character. I see people suggesting the role should be given to a goalkeeper which more or less puts the leadership idea to bed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,451 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Yav just needs to play fewer games and the team needs to be coached appropriately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 15,077 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 16 hours ago, DMax399 said: It’s about leadership mate. We don’t have any. It’s not the only problem we have, but it is a problem that needs addressed. It's the manager's job to lead in a strategic manner. Tav generally leads by example on the pitch , but he didn't buy the players in the summer. Not his fault that Dessers and co. are useless, he can not force them into becoming good players. Neither did he give that donkey Beale a contract . It will be up to the new manager to get the best out of those players or ship them out. The captaincy role is totally overrated by some on here. You'd think it was a higher role than the manager. There is no natural successor to Tav as captain either. I doubt any of our players would want the role anyhow. Because apparently the captain is to blame for everything that goes wrong according to some. You are primarily a punchbag. The mistakes made from boardroom to management level are are all blamed on you. Any player with a brain would knock it back. Cunt of a job. docspiderman and KeyserSoze 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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