Loyal72 13,766 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Fucking chance does this country have for professional football when soon clubs will be outspent by utter rubbish from the English lower leagues. Gutting. Jealous bitter, all of the above. scottyscott1963 and Albertz85 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Somemightsay7 3,103 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 The EFL has always had a significantly bigger TV deal. It's viewing figures are far higher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMRFC 4,913 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Every team in the Scottish Premiership except us and celtic would get relegated from the championship. Scottish football as a product is weak, the only big game to promote is us against the scum, and even that has lost its value in the eyes of the average armchair fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal72 13,766 Posted May 5, 2023 Author Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Somemightsay7 said: The EFL has always had a significantly bigger TV deal. It's viewing figures are far higher. Viewing figures aren't significantly higher. The EFL only boasts figures between 600k to 1m. That's across 300 odd games. SPFL has had 13 games shown live and reached a quarter of a million, that figure would be higher if more games were shown and not just 40. It's a disgrace and embarrassment to this league that Doncaster couldn't get us any better. Albertz85 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Blue 10,036 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Our product is shite so why would they pay any more for it. Similarly, outside of us and them, no one wants to watch Scottish games; no matter how much fans of other clubs may plead their case eg no one cares about that shitey Edinburgh derby. 3 teams with a positive goal difference, absolute riddy with the 3rd being just +7. Stadiums half empty until we come to town, dreadful football viewing, etc. I could go on. Somemightsay7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somemightsay7 3,103 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, Loyal72 said: Viewing figures aren't significantly higher. The EFL only boasts figures between 600k to 1m. That's across 300 odd games. SPFL has had 13 games shown live and reached a quarter of a million, that figure would be higher if more games were shown and not just 40. It's a disgrace and embarrassment to this league that Doncaster couldn't get us any better. Strongly disagree. If Sky showed more games, the average viewing figures for Scotland would be significantly lower. The Championship attracts an average of 200k viewers per game across every match. The SPFL attracts 275k, but the massive difference is Sky pretty much only show celtic or Rangers. That SPFL average is across 13 games, the championship one is across hundreds. If they increased the number of games and had to show more non-OF games the average numbers would plummet. The SPFL amount per game is £625k vs £187k for the EFL. The issue whether we like it or not is that outside of us and them no one is going to watch other games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 21,931 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 The English women not get a better deal with Sky than us as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 15,609 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Who wouldn't give the EFL a better deal than the SPFL? It's a no brainer. scottyscott1963 and Somemightsay7 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco87 796 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Moody Blue said: Our product is shite so why would they pay any more for it. Similarly, outside of us and them, no one wants to watch Scottish games; no matter how much fans of other clubs may plead their case eg no one cares about that shitey Edinburgh derby. 3 teams with a positive goal difference, absolute riddy with the 3rd being just +7. Stadiums half empty until we come to town, dreadful football viewing, etc. I could go on. While all that may be true, a lot of it is as a consequence of disastrous historic decisions on TV deals / relative paucity of the TV deals we have had in recent years. The way I see it it is a chicken and egg scenario. If there is not even an outside chance of a team winning silverware it isn’t exactly a surprise that their average crowd will decrease. The discrepancy in gate figures, coupled with the increasing income from Europe in recent seasons means the gulf is only going to go one way. Someone would need to have a prolonged period of being in serious contention for the league each season to see their gate receipts grow (and even then stadium capacities are around 50% vs us) and would need regular participation in European group stages. Basically the quality is only ever going to improve if there is more money coming into the game, gate receipts (outside us and them) are only going to improve if the quality (and competitiveness) on offer improves. One needs to break before the other does and in my opinion it is we need those running the game to find a way to get more money into the game - which is primarily going to be through TV. Sky aren’t in any rush to give us any more than they have to as they want all eyes on the English game as they have invested heavily on it over the years so I think we need to find a way to get someone else to come in and be looking at innovative ways of making the game more marketable (spreading kick off times to maximise games on TV, more access to players / dressing rooms / behind the scenes). Loyal72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal72 13,766 Posted May 5, 2023 Author Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, rossco87 said: While all that may be true, a lot of it is as a consequence of disastrous historic decisions on TV deals / relative paucity of the TV deals we have had in recent years. The way I see it it is a chicken and egg scenario. If there is not even an outside chance of a team winning silverware it isn’t exactly a surprise that their average crowd will decrease. The discrepancy in gate figures, coupled with the increasing income from Europe in recent seasons means the gulf is only going to go one way. Someone would need to have a prolonged period of being in serious contention for the league each season to see their gate receipts grow (and even then stadium capacities are around 50% vs us) and would need regular participation in European group stages. Basically the quality is only ever going to improve if there is more money coming into the game, gate receipts (outside us and them) are only going to improve if the quality (and competitiveness) on offer improves. One needs to break before the other does and in my opinion it is we need those running the game to find a way to get more money into the game - which is primarily going to be through TV. Sky aren’t in any rush to give us any more than they have to as they want all eyes on the English game as they have invested heavily on it over the years so I think we need to find a way to get someone else to come in and be looking at innovative ways of making the game more marketable (spreading kick off times to maximise games on TV, more access to players / dressing rooms / behind the scenes). This is why it's so baffling that Doncaster & co keep turning to them. Fucking ditch sky. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco87 796 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, Loyal72 said: This is why it's so baffling that Doncaster & co keep turning to them. Fucking ditch sky. We need to be looking at a model that you only need to have one subscription to be able to watch all live games for Scottish teams. The idea that you need to have Sky, Viaplay & BT Sport (fair enough we don’t have any say in European TV deals) and then have random games (youth cup final, OF woman’s game, Championship game tonight) on BBC Scotland must be driving down the number of people subscribing which then drives down the value of the deal. Utter madness that the incompetent cabal running our game seemingly went to Sky cap in hand for whatever deal they would give us rather try and set something up that would benefit the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,699 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Our product is gutter water, its our own fault tbh. Sold out to Setanta all those years ago and had to go begging back to Sky who then rinsed us with the deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somemightsay7 3,103 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 48 minutes ago, Loyal72 said: This is why it's so baffling that Doncaster & co keep turning to them. Fucking ditch sky. Has anyone ever offered more money than Sky? And before anyone talks about the SPFL building their own streaming service, the upfront costs would be in the 10's of millions, so that's incredibly difficult. There's a reason pretty much no league in the world has done it. Also, your average punter which is where most the money comes from isn't fucking about with laptops and firesticks to watch the football. They need to be able to just turn on the tv and switch over and getting an app as widely available as that is ridiculously expensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,617 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 English lower league league teams have been outspending teams up here for years? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 92,709 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Failure to understand the deal is more on the complainant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJacketRFC 7,630 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, left winger said: Who wouldn't give the EFL a better deal than the SPFL? It's a no brainer. EFL is 10x more entertaining the the EPL. English Premier league serves up about 10 decent games a season max. So i agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCR1 1,566 Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Out of interest, what are the viewing figures like for the old firm games? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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