6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 After yet again losing the midfield battle is it time to sacrifice our no 10 for a sitter in front of the back 4? even against the dross in the league teams are waltzing right through our midfield, the time and space O Reilly and McGregor we’re getting on the edge of our box was a shambles, I’d be looking at playing Sterling in front of the back 4 and removing Lawrence/Cantwell from the team we get nowhere near enough from either of them anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Godfather 75,698 Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said: After yet again losing the midfield battle is it time to sacrifice our no 10 for a sitter in front of the back 4? even against the dross in the league teams are waltzing right through our midfield, the time and space O Reilly and McGregor we’re getting on the edge of our box was a shambles, I’d be looking at playing Sterling in front of the back 4 and removing Lawrence/Cantwell from the team we get nowhere near enough from either of them anyway. We need better players NeoGeo7, Blue Rino, gazza27 and 24 others 27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 Feels like we’ve been watching pretty much the same system under the last 4 managers and in that time we’ve won 3 trophies so I’d say yes we definitely need a change. demise, BlueJacketRFC, WilliamMunny and 10 others 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WilliamMunny 3,500 Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 Massive rebuild required Proper leaders need brought in Serial losers need to go demise, Bears r us, 6superbarry6 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,698 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Just now, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Feels like we’ve been watching pretty much the same system under the last 4 managers and in that time we’ve won 3 trophies so I’d say yes we definitely need a change. Because it was so successful with Gerrard towards the later stages it's just stayed as is. Barasic and Tav are too old and slow to play it and have been for 2 seasons now. They have worked us out to the point they can play weakened teams and play well below par and still guaranteed to beat us. We need a total rethink and the squad needs ripped up. The profile cannot be allowed ot be the likes of Dessers, Matondo and Lammers again or we are fucked. Every season it seems to be said but this summer is massive. Negri's lovechild, 6superbarry6 and LaudrupsPatrickBoots 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,390 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 If we are playing a 4231 then the front 4 need to be on it, causing problems, and keeping the ball in the opposition half. If not, they're effectively out the game as they don't have defensive mindsets and our midfield is outnumbered by opposition midfield 3 plus against celtic full backs pushing forward. So ultimately if our front 4 are good, athletic, pacy, clinical and effective there's nothing wrong with 4231. So predictable that wasn't the case yesterday and won't be the case in the cup final if its the same players available. Imo as it stands we need a midfield 3 of Sterling Diamonde and Raskin / Jack for the final. We build the team around a midfield 3 or 4 including Sterling in there. Next season there needs to be players capable of different formations. 6superbarry6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, The Godfather said: We need better players Agreed but we have far better players than the dross like Ross County and Motherwell who are also able to stroll through our midfield with ease, I think Sterling in front of the back 4 would solve this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: If we are playing a 4231 then the front 4 need to be on it, causing problems, and keeping the ball in the opposition half. If not, they're effectively out the game as they don't have defensive mindsets and our midfield is outnumbered by opposition midfield 3 plus against celtic full backs pushing forward. So ultimately if our front 4 are good, athletic, pacy, clinical and effective there's nothing wrong with 4231. So predictably that wasn't the case yesterday and won't be the case in the cup final if its the same players available. Imo as it stands we need a midfield 3 of Sterling Diamonde and Raskin / Jack for the final. We build the team around a midfield 3 or 4 including Sterling in there. Has to be those 3 for the final we can’t have a Lawrence or Cantwell in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, The Godfather said: Because it was so successful with Gerrard towards the later stages it's just stayed as is. Barasic and Tav are too old and slow to play it and have been for 2 seasons now. They have worked us out to the point they can play weakened teams and play well below par and still guaranteed to beat us. We need a total rethink and the squad needs ripped up. The profile cannot be allowed ot be the likes of Dessers, Matondo and Lammers again or we are fucked. Every season it seems to be said but this summer is massive. We need to inject some pace and energy into the side, the difference when Yilmaz came on for Barisic was night and day, Barisic Lundstram and Lawrence jogging about was infuriating. HG5, beararse and SeparateEntityMyArse 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,351 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Need better players but I would probably be using the last two league games to test different systems out for the final They’re both dead rubbers so may aswell just use them as practice type games OrangeRab and 6superbarry6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,698 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Just now, 6superbarry6 said: Agreed but we have far better players than the dross like Ross County and Motherwell who are also able to stroll through our midfield with ease, I think Sterling in front of the back 4 would solve this. We do but it's the same players who fucked it previously. Lundstrum has been jogging about doing the bare minimum for months, he's a disgrace for the money he is on. Diomande is too clumsy and raw so when you put they two together it's a disaster really. We need another 2 centre midfielders to come in who can dictate the play and create. Need to get shot of Lundstram, Jack, Raskin, Dowell and get the middle sorted once and for all. 6superbarry6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, .Williamson. said: Need better players but I would probably be using the last two league games to test different systems out for the final They’re both dead rubbers so may aswell just use them as practice type games I don’t see how we can go into the final with the same system and players and expect anything other than a defeat. Gascoigne8, EllonLoyal and SeparateEntityMyArse 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: If we are playing a 4231 then the front 4 need to be on it, causing problems, and keeping the ball in the opposition half. If not, they're effectively out the game as they don't have defensive mindsets and our midfield is outnumbered by opposition midfield 3 plus against celtic full backs pushing forward. So ultimately if our front 4 are good, athletic, pacy, clinical and effective there's nothing wrong with 4231. So predictable that wasn't the case yesterday and won't be the case in the cup final if its the same players available. Imo as it stands we need a midfield 3 of Sterling Diamonde and Raskin / Jack for the final. We build the team around a midfield 3 or 4 including Sterling in there. Next season there needs to be players capable of different formations. There’s actually very little of this in our squad in general, not just at the front and it’s frightening. HG5 and 6superbarry6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, 6superbarry6 said: I don’t see how we can go into the final with the same system and players and expect anything other than a defeat. I feel the same tbh. Some of these players have slipped back into the mentality pre-Gerrard when we were beat before a ball is kicked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, The Godfather said: We do but it's the same players who fucked it previously. Lundstrum has been jogging about doing the bare minimum for months, he's a disgrace for the money he is on. Diomande is too clumsy and raw so when you put they two together it's a disaster really. We need another 2 centre midfielders to come in who can dictate the play and create. Need to get shot of Lundstram, Jack, Raskin, Dowell and get the middle sorted once and for all. Need to give Raskin Lundstram jersey until end of season hopefully the last we see of him Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,390 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, 6superbarry6 said: Has to be those 3 for the final we can’t have a Lawrence or Cantwell in there. Cantwell should be a good shout from the bench. Needs to stfu on his social media in the run up. Lawrence is done, he's not got the athleticism for this fixture. Lundstram should never wear the jersey again. So yep Sterling plus 2 if not 3 in midfield from the 3 others I mentioned. I'd actually be inclined to go 442 if we've Sima back and pace up front. Clement won't though, he'll shuffle the pack but still play 4231. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,698 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, 6superbarry6 said: Need to give Raskin Lundstram jersey until end of season hopefully the last we see of him Raskin is another waster. He's unfit, lazy and on big wages. He's been here a while now and never the managers have all binned him to the bench. Needs punted demise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: I feel the same tbh. Some of these players have slipped back into the mentality pre-Gerrard when we were beat before a ball is kicked. So much of it stemmed from Lundstram and Barisic, just replacing they 2 with Raskin and Yilmaz would make a big difference I think, or even Sterling in the middle if Sima is back. SeparateEntityMyArse and LaudrupsPatrickBoots 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossS1873 2,684 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I think we need a mentality change more than anything. From the top down. Too much back patting over mediocrity. The other mob had 1 bad season and burned the place to the ground to get success. We've kept the same losers for season after season. HG5, EllonLoyal and 6superbarry6 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 Just now, The Godfather said: Raskin is another waster. He's unfit, lazy and on big wages. He's been here a while now and never the managers have all binned him to the bench. Needs punted He had potential pre injury I’d like see him fully fit with decent pre season in him before writing him off, Martinez said he close to a Belgium call up so he must have more ability than he’s shown here so far. plymouthranger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said: So of it stemmed from Lundstram and Barisic, just replacing they 2 with Raskin and Yilmaz would make a big difference I think, or even Sterling in the middle if Sima is back. Barisic and Lundstram can’t play for us again, at least they shouldn’t. I’d put Sterling at RB and let him deal with Maeda but Clement won’t drop Tav so that’s a non starter. 6superbarry6 and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,257 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 It's the players. Not the system. You have 2 holding midfielders and an attacking midfielder who presses. Yesterday was another prime example of 2 players not capable of doing that in Lundstram and Lawrence. Lundstram was sitting on the centre backs toes again and Lawrence couldn't run. Players need to be dynamic and make up the yards quickly. Could change the system to suit the players but right now I have no confidence in any of the players bar 2 or 3. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanMK 5,243 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 We need good players. Simple as that. 6superbarry6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Barisic and Lundstram can’t play for us again, at least they shouldn’t. I’d put Sterling at RB and let him deal with Maeda but Clement won’t drop Tav so that’s a non starter. Think we need Sterlings energy in the middle tbh, hopefully there’s truth in the Ben Johnson rumours and we can get that done, can’t see him coming here as a back up LaudrupsPatrickBoots 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,395 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 It’s the players. Our 3/4 younger attacking players are injured. There goes your quality and press. Part of the squad is dead on its feet and can’t track a basic runner never mind press. Like Tav and Lundstram. And the other half are guys like Lawrence who I think I’d have a genuine shot at beating in a foot race. This squad is so far from the athleticism we had under Gerrard when we won 55. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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