Popular Post graeme_4 38,608 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 I’ll start off with prefacing this post by saying I like him, I think he’s a real leader / winner, and that I think he should be better supported with funds to strengthen - but… This team appears worse than what Beale left him, and could potentially be worse than some of our pre-Gerrard failures. Our style of play is basically lump it up to the wide players, which is ok (if you’re into that) when it’s Sima but when it’s McCausland / Wright / Matondo it just doesn’t work. I don’t really see any individuals or us collectively getting any better. It’s a worry tbh. Selection choices are bizarre - persisted with Lammers for ages, Lawrence now. Cup final and last couple of OFs were littered with bad choices. We absolutely collapsed last season, which while not unexpected, was as bad as we’ve seen in years and he was unable to stop the slide. We have signed two players Nsiala and Igamane who apparently aren’t anywhere near being able to play when resources are so limited. Board correctly takes heat for it, but starting to think PC has to be doing more / better as well or we’re in real trouble. gmcf, HG5, OhW and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossS1873 2,829 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 He gets the benefit of the doubt but if he keeps making tactical decisions like persisting with Dessers or Davies and playing a formation that's so easy to play through with very little style then he'll lose his backing very quickly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 88,680 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Dessers will be his downfall Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,896 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Yes !! There were warning signs last season. Though the time to judge him is this season with his players/new signings and tactics. With only a couple of weeks until the start of the new season and Champions League qualifiers it is extremely fuckin concerning. We still have a load of fuckin duds and need good players in desperately Sunglasses Ron, HG5, Paisley Blue Loyal and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leighton loyal 398 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 19 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Dessers will be his downfall And wright Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 88,680 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Leighton loyal said: And wright I see Wright as someone he’s persevering with because his options are so limited. Dessers I genuinely think he will continue playing even if Danilo is fit Leighton loyal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 113,544 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Yes far too much of an easy ride and said as much in the other thread HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Specky Forum Organiser 70,013 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 Not for me I think most people have now realised that blaming the manager for our failings every season isn't the answer and the biggest problems at the club are the players and the board Not that he's faultless obviously Ladytonbear, KyleBJK, 16BlueSherbert90 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 113,544 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said: Not for me I think most people have now realised that blaming the manager for our failings every season isn't the answer and the biggest problems at the club are the players and the board Not that he's faultless obviously His baffling selections and decisions at the end of last season is on him. Said to L yesterday the board will take the blame for him because people like him but his decision making is absolutely fucking baffling and he's of the same opinion AGM_72, HG5 and GD93 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Specky Forum Organiser 70,013 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 Just now, RFC55 said: His baffling selections and decisions at the end of last season is on him. Said to L yesterday the board will take the blame for him because people like him but his decision making is absolutely fucking baffling and he's of the same opinion I don't think any manager we could realistically get would get a tune out of this group of players long term. Steakbake, SkylineBlue, J-Maestro and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post esquire8 45,770 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 2 pre season friendlies and still working with dross. Probably the most capable manager we've had since Sir Walter retired. This scenario is on Douglas Park, John Bennett, Stewart Robertson, Ross Wilson and Michael Beale. GWR1979, bornabear, Cooperson and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger 9,303 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 9 minutes ago, Leighton loyal said: And wright Crazy thing is as bad as Wright is I’d still play him before McCausland or Matondo Sorry state of affairs graeme_4, Leighton loyal, HG5 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 113,544 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said: I don't think any manager we could realistically get would get a tune out of this group of players long term. We've made 6 signings or so and I'm not sure what one of those will start, again it's easy to say ah but the board but recruitment is on him and Koppen. He did get a tune out of the players but then some of his decisions towards the end really sealed our fate. Starting dowell from absolutely nowhere because he believed we would just turn up and beat Ross county or throwing him on v the fenians in the 3-3 game when he was struggling for fitness and it cost us there as well for example. I don't know why it what changed but he seemed completely lost after showing a Walter Smith like approach when we beat St Mirren away were sterling played out on the wing and the team he picked was done so for a battle and it seemed he knew what to do and would pick a team best suited to the type of game it was. Pretty flat with the whole club at the moment tbh HG5, Jamie0202, AGM_72 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEarle 10,180 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Without a doubt we appear to be regressing at a rate of knots. He needs the full transfer window to turn this around. If that turns out to be a disaster I fear the worst to be honest. BlueAvenger and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1963 910 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 My alarm bell is ringing louder and louder, the late season collapse was unforgivable on many levels and the form looks to be continuing, sigh. GD93 and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,807 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 He's had the plaudits when he first came in and got us in a good place. He's had mild criticism generally the way the season petered out. I've got some sympathy for him the way the goal posts seem to have moved with transfer budgets but he's still got 30+ players to work with and needs to deliver more silverware. I do think he's a bit stubborn with formation, and has made poor decisions on starters and subs at times. That's his right, as long as he's winning shiny things. He's now 3/4 of the way through preseason and with 2 transfer windows under his belt. As much as the Board deserve the focus of our criticism, Clement will also deserve it if we're embarrassed in Europe or drop too many league points in August. Two weeks time until there's no excuses and he's treated like any other manager we've had and held accountable for success and responsible for results. HG5 and gmcf 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 70,013 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, RFC55 said: We've made 6 signings or so and I'm not sure what one of those will start, again it's easy to say ah but the board but recruitment is on him and Koppen. He did get a tune out of the players but then some of his decisions towards the end really sealed our fate. Starting dowell from absolutely nowhere because he believed we would just turn up and beat Ross county or throwing him on v the fenians in the 3-3 game when he was struggling for fitness and it cost us there as well for example. I don't know why it what changed but he seemed completely lost after showing a Walter Smith like approach when we beat St Mirren away were sterling played out on the wing and the team he picked was done so for a battle and it seemed he knew what to do and would pick a team best suited to the type of game it was. Pretty flat with the whole club at the moment tbh The most he's been able to spend on anyone who wasn't here last season is £1.8m and that's on a player who is nowhere near first team ready, that's where we are as a club right now. I won't be blaming either him or Koppen for the recruitment this summer unless we start spending proper money and those players turn out shite. They're working with both hands tied behind their back in that regard. If Diomande doesn't start to add come consistency then that's a signing that's fair game to have a go at. Every season bar 1 since Gerrard came in we have collapsed at some stage post Christmas so for me there's more to it than tactics or team selection. I think Dowell is shite and wouldn't have him anywhere near the team but we were losing to them when he came on and ended up drawing so that result wasn't because he played and we bottled it at Dingwall. Again. Agree on the last bit. It's going to be a horrible season and will turn toxic pretty quickly, I just hope it's the board who are on the receiving end. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlm 420 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 43 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Dessers will be his downfall Your not wrong there. But surely with the funds from tav sale whatever that is...there is enough to bring in eg (shankland). Because he wud of took at least one of them chances yday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,771 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Probably will be a downgrade on Clement when the inevitable happens. But the signs really are that is inevitable. He’s not improving players across the board, if anything some of them are worse than what their capabilities are as his style of play doesn’t suit the squad. Needs 4 or 5 quality players in to bail him out. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 70,013 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Laudrupsleftfoot said: We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Probably will be a downgrade on Clement when the inevitable happens. But the signs really are that is inevitable. He’s not improving players across the board, if anything some of them are worse than what their capabilities are as his style of play doesn’t suit the squad. Needs 4 or 5 quality players in to bail him out. It will be McInnes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,807 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 If Clement walked and someone else came in before the season started would folk say the new guy had a season where he wouldn't be held accountable for how we got on? If so, that's ridiculous. If not, why then should Clement get a free ride with only the Board to face our wrath? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,771 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, The Specky Forum Organiser said: It will be McInnes. I think so too and that’s obviously a big worry for me and less so for you as we’ve discussed before. Clement has presence and speaks well but right now that’s about it - it’s not translating to what we’re seeing on the park. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SeparateEntityMyArse 55,807 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 49 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Dessers will be his downfall ..and Lawrence for me. Dessers is shite and can't hold the ball. Lawrence is slow and isn't capable of being a 10 or a cam. As a result players are looking wide to get the ball forward, and none of our widemen are either good or fit enough currently. Lawrence playing high leaves a huge hole behind him and the holding 2 midfielders that the opposition 3 midfielders are routinely exploiting. 4231 with Dessers and Lawrence is suicide .Williamson., Bawheed, HG5 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Specky Forum Organiser 70,013 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: If Clement walked and someone else came in before the season started would folk say the new guy had a season where he wouldn't be held accountable for how we got on? If so, that's ridiculous. If not, why then should Clement get a free ride with only the Board to face our wrath? I wouldn't have any manager accountable for failing with this squad this season. ZZed, bassettger, Hadron Collider and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post .Williamson. 88,680 Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 I don’t think we should look as bad as we do even with these players. Squads shite but it’s still comfortably better than the rest of the league outwidth celtic I can see us dropping points to Hearts in the opening game but I don’t think it’s acceptable RM Monitor And Standards Officer, GA1972, SteveEarle and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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