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1 minute ago, Roy Hobbs said:

It looked like we were going man for man press on their back line, which was fine until they played one ball through the press to McGregor and seconds later the ball was in the net.

We repeatedly done it last season too and he hasnt learned a thing , its passed around so easily then there is miles of empty space for the tarrier cunt to stroll through 

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21 minutes ago, The Archer said:

I think he needs raw cash for better players.15 million to get another 2 top quality players .

The board have burned the Bassey,Europa,Paterson money most probably indirectly into their pockets.

Without better players I think the gaffer is heading for a trapdoor

Seen somebody put up yesterday that the 11 tarriers that started vs our starting 11 was bought for a lot closer price than you think...

Theirs was 23/24m if the reported fees are correct

Ours was 16-17m, same caveat

Aye some of them were signed by past managers but tbh its the same with them, don't think the tranny shagger signed even half that team, he's just got them playing better than us.

Squad depth wise its a different story, their bench blows ours away.

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5 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Seen somebody put up yesterday that the 11 tarriers that started vs our starting 11 was bought for a lot closer price than you think...

Theirs was 23/24m if the reported fees are correct

Ours was 16-17m, same caveat

Aye some of them were signed by past managers but tbh its the same with them, don't think the tranny shagger signed even half that team, he's just got them playing better than us.

Squad depth wise its a different story, their bench blows ours away.

What Ralston and nae-neck ? We're making them look good, that is the problem here. 

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1 minute ago, Boybluesy said:

What Ralston and nae-neck ? We're making them look good, that is the problem here. 

More the fact they've now got 2 cunts that they spent 20 million on the bench to bring on, engles and idah

Starting 11 wise, they weren't exactly flush with expensive signings. The fact Diomande cost us the same as their midfield 3 is a joke.

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31 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Someone needs to ask him about his set up when out of possession.

Lawrence and now Diomande have played the 10 position.

When they had the ball yesterday Dessers and Diomande were facing up their two centre halves and Mcgregor is standing in space behind them. What are we trying to do?

And our two holding midfielders were both too far advance and getting sliced open like they didnt exist. There was even less structure to it all than normal after about 10 mins, and that level of incompetence isn't easy to beat.

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50 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said:

We currently have no director of football, no head of youth, no CEO. No discernible football structure at all. Our main technical person on the football side is in training wheels at a club this size. So is our head scout.

You can sack Clement but it would likely involve another director loan to pay him off. We'd have someone like Steven Davis or Alex Rae until the end of the season, if we were sensible. If we were daft we'd appoint another manager and we'll be here again in a years time like we have the previous 3 seasons. It would also mean £5 or so million we wouldn't be able to spend in January. 

If we sack him the entire club is completely rudderless. I think in a vacuum that big it's pretty much guaranteed to end up with us struggling to finish second.

It's better for us to keep him in post until the football department is fixed and have competent people in post that can actually support a manager. If the results are still terrible once that has happened then sack him.

 

All of that needs addressed but at the end of the day we can't keep serving up the shite he is week on week. Board etc are in no way blameless but he's so weak tactically I can only see things getting worse.

Tannadice is a nightmare first game back as well 

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20 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Seen somebody put up yesterday that the 11 tarriers that started vs our starting 11 was bought for a lot closer price than you think...

Theirs was 23/24m if the reported fees are correct

Ours was 16-17m, same caveat

Aye some of them were signed by past managers but tbh its the same with them, don't think the tranny shagger signed even half that team, he's just got them playing better than us.

Squad depth wise it’s a different story, their bench blows ours away.

Butland - Free

Tav - 250k

Souttar - Free

Propper - 1.5m

Jefte - 500k

Barron - Free

Sterling - Free

Diomande - 4m

Matondo - 2m

Cerny - Loan

Dessers - 4.5m

Total - 12.75m

 

Schmeichel - Free

Johnstone - 3.5m

Scales - Minimal

Vickers - 6m

Taylor - 3m

McGregor - Youth

Hatate - 1.5m

Bernardo - 5m

Kuhn - 3m

Furuhashi - 4.5m

Maeda - 1.5m

Total - 28m

Nowhere near and it’s much worse when it gets to the bench.

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1 minute ago, RM Monitor And Standards Officer said:

All of that needs addressed but at the end of the day we can't keep serving up the shite he is week on week. Board etc are in no way blameless but he's so weak tactically I can only see things getting worse.

Tannadice is a nightmare first game back as well 

Needs to get a run of games now, if only so we can actually get another manager. If we sack him 4 games in nobody of any worth is coming without some sort of poison pill sacking clause.

We will just become one of those daft Italian clubs that runs through 2 managers a season. Bringing back managers now and again too.

Also need to sort the structure of the club behind the scenes so a manager isn’t coming in to a mess like Clement too.

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Just now, RM Monitor And Standards Officer said:

All of that needs addressed but at the end of the day we can't keep serving up the shite he is week on week. Board etc are in no way blameless but he's so weak tactically I can only see things getting worse.

Tannadice is a nightmare first game back as well 

Losing to the tarriers can happen etc , but im now not confident going into any away games , what a fucking position to be in 

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Just now, ger4life_1872 said:

Losing to the tarriers can happen etc , but im now not confident going into any away games , what a fucking position to be in 

I think we will go on a run of wins now, our two away games have been Tynecastle and that lot.

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8 minutes ago, J-Maestro said:

Butland - Free

Tav - 250k

Souttar - Free

Propper - 1.5m

Jefte - 500k

Barron - Free

Sterling - Free

Diomande - 4m

Matondo - 2m

Cerny - Loan

Dessers - 4.5m

Total - 12.75m

 

Schmeichel - Free

Johnstone - 3.5m

Scales - Minimal

Vickers - 6m

Taylor - 3m

McGregor - Youth

Hatate - 1.5m

Bernardo - 5m

Kuhn - 3m

Furuhashi - 4.5m

Maeda - 1.5m

Total - 28m

Nowhere near and it’s much worse when it gets to the bench.

Barron is going to cost us more than 500k, Aberdeen have knocked back 525k and took it to a tribunal, you don't do that if you're not expecting more, even they're not that stupid.

Cerny is another 1.5m loan fee apparently, Matondo was 3m and Diomande was 4.5m, all widely reported prices.

Bench wise 100% agree, especially now with they 2 big signings they've made but that starting 11 vs ours should never have had as easy a ride as they got & the idea that giving Clement extra money is going to solve anything is daft, he can't even get the basics right.

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7 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Barron is going to cost us more than 500k, Aberdeen have knocked back 525k and took it to a tribunal, you don't do that if you're not expecting more, even they're not that stupid.

Cerny is another 1.5m loan fee apparently, Matondo was 3m and Diomande was 4.5m, all widely reported prices.

Bench wise 100% agree, especially now with they 2 big signings they've made but that starting 11 vs ours should never have had as easy a ride as they got & the idea that giving Clement extra money is going to solve anything is daft, he can't even get the basics right.

Where did that Cerny loan fee stuff come from?  Is there anything beyond transfermarkt?

Just seems like an odd one.

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4 minutes ago, blaudrup said:

Where did that Cerny loan fee stuff come from?  Is there anything beyond transfermarkt?

Just seems like an odd one.

Seen a few people saying it on various posts, could be alot of shit or could just be pulling it off transfermarkt but can't imagine we're not paying something at least

Wolfsburg signed him for 8m not long ago.

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3 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Seen a few people saying it on various posts, could be alot of shit or could just be pulling it off transfermarkt but can't imagine we're not paying something at least

Wolfsburg signed him for 8m not long ago.

Yeah I feel like the only true source for this is transfermarkt, as far as I've seen anyway.  It has nothing for many previous loans, just stands out as odd.

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23 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Barron is going to cost us more than 500k, Aberdeen have knocked back 525k and took it to a tribunal, you don't do that if you're not expecting more, even they're not that stupid.

Cerny is another 1.5m loan fee apparently, Matondo was 3m and Diomande was 4.5m, all widely reported prices.

Bench wise 100% agree, especially now with they 2 big signings they've made but that starting 11 vs ours should never have had as easy a ride as they got & the idea that giving Clement extra money is going to solve anything is daft, he can't even get the basics right.

Hamilton did that with Ferguson and got fuck all from Aberdeen.

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32 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Tyncastle is historically a tough place to go so on paper it looks ok , they have 1 point and are an absolute shambles 

It’s always a tough place to go regardless of their form.

34 minutes ago, RM Monitor And Standards Officer said:

He's won 9 of the last 22 games that's an absolutely pathetic return for a Rangers manager 

Where have I said it isn’t? But again any manager is going to look at us sacking a guy in September who was given false promises, a shambles in structure, a huge turnover of players just happened and just go fuck that I’m not going there. 

Cause this will be the third manager in a row we’ve done it to. Whether they deserved the sack or not won’t matter to prospective next managers.

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