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I do wish the Italians every success because like us they are a real football nation where the game means so much to the people. As for the French they should have been going to Kiev on Wednesday looking for a point to qualify but are now spared that because of one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen. Let's be honest here that wasn't just a bad decision it was scandalously bad. In fact you could watch football for another 10 years and not see another refereeing aberration like that! So I hope they get found out in Austria and Switzerland because IMO they didn't earn the right to be there.

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the decision was scandelous, but then the italians probably feel the same about their offside goal. We still should have defended it better.

I couldn't care less if they win, lose or draw, the competition has very little interest to me now.

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I've always been proud to be italian due to family connections and have followed them when they're not playing Scotland.

I havn't been happy yet at an Italy win but will support them in Austria but would also support Northern Ireland if they go through.

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the decision was scandelous, but then the italians probably feel the same about their offside goal. We still should have defended it better.

I couldn't care less if they win, lose or draw, the competition has very little interest to me now.

if you watch the replay of that goal from a different angle, you can see that iaquinta has a hold of weirs shirt. im not sure if weir was suppose to be marking panucci or not(maybe fletch was?) though.

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I am unconcerned by how Italy do. Don't wish them to fall on their faces (cept Toni and Rossi) but not exactly supporting them. France I loathe and hope they get f*cked out on their arses.

My side will be Czech Rep as always.

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the decision was scandelous, but then the italians probably feel the same about their offside goal. We still should have defended it better.

I couldn't care less if they win, lose or draw, the competition has very little interest to me now.

if you watch the replay of that goal from a different angle, you can see that iaquinta has a hold of weirs shirt. im not sure if weir was suppose to be marking panucci or not(maybe fletch was?) though.

fletch was marking him and has taken the blame for the goal.

and talking about that decision, i watched again last night for the first time since it happened and i almost throw my laptop across the room. I cant understand how that coulda been given. I just cant get my head round it.

I can't either Kev, and I don't think I'll ever get over it.

As for the marking, I hear all the pundits saying "we still should have marked better at the goal", but in my mind this argument is a moot point - WE never should have had to defend anything in the first place. If anything, THEY should have been defending against us. End of.

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the decision was scandelous, but then the italians probably feel the same about their offside goal. We still should have defended it better.

I couldn't care less if they win, lose or draw, the competition has very little interest to me now.

Not at all ben, the offside was a marginal decison that could easily have went either way, just like the penalty we should have had when the Italian moved his arm towards the ball to block the shot

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Fair play to the italians (how ironic), but they have been raining praise on our team and our country aswell as our fans.

So, in my eyes, no hard feelings, it was the refs fault, not theirs, good luck.

I think the italian celebrations at the end of the match in a way showed us respect, usually its just normal for them to qualify, but to celebrate it the way they did shows we gave them a real fight and they knew they were luky.

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I do wish the Italians every success because like us they are a real football nation where the game means so much to the people. As for the French they should have been going to Kiev on Wednesday looking for a point to qualify but are now spared that because of one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen. Let's be honest here that wasn't just a bad decision it was scandalously bad. In fact you could watch football for another 10 years and not see another refereeing aberration like that! So I hope they get found out in Austria and Switzerland because IMO they didn't earn the right to be there.

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Both Italy and France deserve to be heading to Euro 2008, consistently, they were the two best teams - cue the table. They will bring more football to Euro 2008 than Scotland. We are ostensibly "anti-football" in tactics and I think it's better for Euro football that we ain't there. What would our tactics be - defence and corners ! That's about it really. Look at some of our players, they are below average and no pace setters - Naysmith, Hartley, Fletcher, McManus - bloody awful. Should I mention Broonaldo ?

If only we could add some skill and quality, then and only then should we be attempting to justify our position. The referee blame game is always the easy way out, but, what more could we ask for - home game, winner take all and we cannot pull it off. McCleish's tactics were awful and we had 88 minutes after the first goal to turn it round and move-on. It was dire to see it all go pear shape.

I detect some unsportsmanship in your comments, but, the best two are there and no point being a bad loser. If we were fortunate enough to get to Euro 2008 - what would we have achieved, moreso, with some of the rubbish I've mentioned above. Would we have been blaming the next referee or criticising the next opposition - after yet another inglorious failure ?

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