McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Moses, second row, second from right. I cannot find the thread now that we mentioned this in before, but it had links and everything, about the situation of Moses McNeils grave, apparently it isn't kept up to scratch and clean at all, and Rangers FC haven't done anything about it either, which is a shame really, especially as his death at the time, so i read, went by fairly unnoticed. A good few of us mentioned going to do something about that, and cleaning up the grave of one of our founders sometime, thought i'd make a thread to see again who was interested, and to keep the idea fresh in peoples minds. And of course pay respects to one of the men that made the club we all love Interested: McBoyd AndyPendek Rangersgary davie1689 MosesMcNeil BlueIsTheColour lidorfc Blue Stars Bearette The Artist parkheadbear dukestreetsoup you'llneverwinaway marc_rfc INFORMATION WE HAVE SO FAR: Full name: Moses McLay McNeil Birthdate: October 29 1855 Burial Place: Rosneath, (click name for map) St Modan’s Churchyard. Date of Death: April 9 1938 Parents: John McNeil and Jean McNeil (maiden name "Bain") Jean Bain was from Downpatrick in County Down and when she moved to Scotland in search of work she married John McNeil, a gardener in Comrie, Perthshire. Now i found a "Jean McNeil" in the Rosneath Graveyard here: http://members.madasafish.com/~fairenough/page613.html (Click here for image of where A Jean Mcneil was layed to rest) But as to whether its the same one or not i'm not sure, AND its at a different graveyard then he was buried, but still a family link Also his grave isn't marked, but his sisters were buried in the same graveyard, so we'll be looking for more female 'McNeils' in the same place. Sisters: Elizabeth and Isabella (Lived with them in a cottage in Clynder) ---------------------------------------- Links and Information: http://www.helensburgh-heritage.co.uk/inde...&Itemid=633 http://www.clydesdalearc.org.uk/index.php?...4&Itemid=34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_McNeil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andypendek Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'd certainly be willing to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Probably the last Rangers supporter from Dumbarton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnyLoyal Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Brilliant idea mate, I would definitely help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broxibear87 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Probably the last Rangers supporter from Dumbarton Make that 2nd last mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Nice one guys, added you to the interested list. Of course things like dates, times, and even asking if we are allowed to actually do it will have to be done. There will be a bit of research into it thats for sure, even maybe a visit first off before the cleaning up to see what needs doing I think the member here "mosesmcneil" had quite a bit of information on it i'll pm him for more about it, im sure he'd be interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnyLoyal Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Also; http://members.madasafish.com/~fairenough/ Here is one of the graveyards in rosneath, there are mcniels, but not any moses' Although now i think about it, the above links i put up did say it was unmarked, but like i said i think the member on here 'mosesmcniel' said he knew, or had information as to what grave it was. Nice one, this grave deserves a lot more respect than the way it has been left to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Also; http://members.madasafish.com/~fairenough/ Here is one of the graveyards in rosneath, there are mcniels, but not any moses' Although now i think about it, the above links i put up did say it was unmarked, but like i said i think the member on here 'mosesmcniel' said he knew, or had information as to what grave it was. Nice one, this grave deserves a lot more respect than the way it has been left to rot. It really does, RFC should be cleaning it up and laying flowers/something as respect every year really. Maybe that could be talked about in the future too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnyLoyal Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Also; http://members.madasafish.com/~fairenough/ Here is one of the graveyards in rosneath, there are mcniels, but not any moses' Although now i think about it, the above links i put up did say it was unmarked, but like i said i think the member on here 'mosesmcniel' said he knew, or had information as to what grave it was. Nice one, this grave deserves a lot more respect than the way it has been left to rot. It really does, RFC should be cleaning it up and laying flowers/something as respect every year really. Maybe that could be talked about in the future too. I'm amazed that they don't, so disrespectful it's unreal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donmac Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 did i not read last year that rangers stated they would be attempting to trace the whereabouts of the grave and put it in order? funny feeling it was mentioned by Sandy Jardine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 did i not read last year that rangers stated they would be attempting to trace the whereabouts of the grave and put it in order? funny feeling it was mentioned by Sandy Jardine. Oh really? It'd be cool to see any information on that, blows us out of the water if so Unless we get there first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstamomusa Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Nice one guys, added you to the interested list. Of course things like dates, times, and even asking if we are allowed to actually do it will have to be done. There will be a bit of research into it thats for sure, even maybe a visit first off before the cleaning up to see what needs doing I think the member here "mosesmcneil" had quite a bit of information on it i'll pm him for more about it, im sure he'd be interested! Even if the grave is unmarked there should be a recordbook of all burial plots (by number and map) either at the cemetery or town hall. I was able to look up my grandparents grave last time I was home in Largs. Nice Idea by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andypendek Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 If that's the case, and the club were talking about it last year, I reckon they have lost interest. They'd have done it by now, you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperRangers Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Im sure i read that they arent certain where Moses grave actually is in the cemetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueIsTheColour Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Didn't the club also say that they would need the permission of any living relatives before touching Moses' grave? I would think it should be an easy enough job providing the grave itself can be located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andypendek Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I foretell an unseemly struggle between a long haired, studenty photographer type and a tim worky, easily identifiable by his sluggish movement and cooncil uniform. McBoyd, with his trowel and hard bristled cleaning brush, ought to have the edge over timothy, armed as he is only with a rolled up copy of the celtic view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadaready Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Thanks for sorting this out McBoyd. It is a great idea and I hope that we can get behind it as a site in full force. Let me know if you need any hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Thanks for sorting this out McBoyd. It is a great idea and I hope that we can get behind it as a site in full force. Let me know if you need any hardware. I hope we can do it too, i was going to bring my D200 as well, get some pictures and im sure local papers, even rangers fc might be interested in what we are doing at some point. Some more: A tiny death notice in a Glasgow newspaper — the smallest in the paper that day — confirmed his burial at Rosneath, as do the official burial records. His sisters were also buried there, but there is no marker of Moses final resting place in the graveyard. More information regarding date of passing and age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_McNeil April 9, 1938 in Dumbarton, aged 82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmytto Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 This would be great! Could someone please give me his full name? (First name, Middle name, and Last name) And also could I get his date of birth? I found a website which may help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 This would be great! Could someone please give me his full name? (First name, Middle name, and Last name) And also could I get his date of birth? I found a website which may help. Link up the site EDIT: Its "Moses McLay McNeil" and October 29, 1855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmytto Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 This may help - You'd have to register first though, I think it's free. Click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 NB His birth certificate gives the spelling of his surname as McNiel. That may be some help somehow, haha, mispelling on the birth certificate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmytto Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 NB His birth certificate gives the spelling of his surname as McNiel. That may be some help somehow, haha, mispelling on the birth certificate? St Modan’s Churchyard That's where he was buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 NB His birth certificate gives the spelling of his surname as McNiel. That may be some help somehow, haha, mispelling on the birth certificate? St Modan’s Churchyard That's where he was buried. Where'd ya find that mate? Also an interesting article: http://www.clydesdaleharriers.co.uk/The_Cl..._Connection.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie1689 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 i lost the thread too mcboyd, was gonna pm you about it i`m certainly still interested buddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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