nvager Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I hate to see us play not to lose against inferior teams. I can see it in Europe against Bremen, Barcelona, Lyons, Fiorentina, etc., but in the SPL? Will Walter now play this formation 4 1 4 1 away to Hearts, Hibs, DU, Motherwell etc.? If he does and we again get a no scoring draw he may throw away quite a few points. Surely we are better than this? We are the Rangers and should be able to attack and win SPL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin93 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I hope not,i think it's ok against the tims at the piggery but anywhere else in the spl we should be going 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dado Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff crap in the head Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 so much anguish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy94 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He has only done 4-5-1 twice this season,so why would he start now when we need to win every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin93 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He has only done 4-5-1 twice this season,so why would he start now when we need to win every game? we dont need to win every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 It's an interesting question Nva. I hope the 4-1-4-1 is not used for all away matches because I don't think we have suitable personnel for that scheme. I wonder what prompted this shift from Walter? The Aberdeen game a couple of weeks ago was the first time we've seen this formation (I think) and we won away games with the 4-4-2 before that, so it's a bit peculiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Waltersaurus is doing his best to lose us this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He has only done 4-5-1 twice this season,so why would he start now when we need to win every game? we dont need to win every game In theory yes we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Waltersaurus is doing his best to lose us this league. they wont listen to you mate, some would follow walter over a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin93 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He has only done 4-5-1 twice this season,so why would he start now when we need to win every game? we dont need to win every game In theory yes we do. yeah ano,but we need to do that at the start of the season i know what you'se are saying and i agree,just trying to see it from walters perspective,he and other managers always go on about how leagues arent over and there is still a lot to play for etc. Just saying that i dont think walter necessarily wont play a 4-5-1 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 We certainly shouldn't be playing 4-5-1 in any of the upcoming games like Forfar, Kilmarnock, Hamilton and Inverness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 we've had worse results away from home and worse performances by playing a 4-4-2 and having boyd and miller both starting the 2 games i have seen the 4-5-1 away in SPL this season we should have won both (sheep and piggery) and actually played well 4-4-2 away to st mirren hearts dundee utd motherwell all were fucking rank rotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 we've had worse results away from home and worse performances by playing a 4-4-2 and having boyd and miller both starting the 2 games i have seen the 4-5-1 away in SPL this season we should have won both (sheep and piggery) and actually played well 4-4-2 away to st mirren hearts dundee utd motherwell all were fucking rank rotten Played well defensively, but scored absolutely NO goals and gave up 4 points against teams we over-rated. Out of a possible 6 points we have taken 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangers4eva Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 It's an interesting question Nva. I hope the 4-1-4-1 is not used for all away matches because I don't think we have suitable personnel for that scheme. I wonder what prompted this shift from Walter? The Aberdeen game a couple of weeks ago was the first time we've seen this formation (I think) and we won away games with the 4-4-2 before that, so it's a bit peculiar. I think seeing septic loose up at the sheep pen the week before had something to do with it and also the fact that in recent visits we have struggled up there. Yes we were robbed when beasley had a goal ruled off for off-side but we lost there at the end of last season. Going 4-5-1 yesterday was all about keeping the title in our own hands imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 we've had worse results away from home and worse performances by playing a 4-4-2 and having boyd and miller both starting the 2 games i have seen the 4-5-1 away in SPL this season we should have won both (sheep and piggery) and actually played well 4-4-2 away to st mirren hearts dundee utd motherwell all were fucking rank rotten Played well defensively, but scored absolutely NO goals and gave up 4 points against teams we over-rated. Out of a possible 6 points we have taken 2. away to the 4 teams above and with 2 up front (boyd played every game, as well) we only scored 2 goals, and only got 2 points, away against celtic and sheep (2 of the hardest away games for bears, arguably) we have the same amount of points but played better out of these 6 games celtic away (2nd time) sheep utd well saints hearts what were the best performances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 we've had worse results away from home and worse performances by playing a 4-4-2 and having boyd and miller both starting the 2 games i have seen the 4-5-1 away in SPL this season we should have won both (sheep and piggery) and actually played well 4-4-2 away to st mirren hearts dundee utd motherwell all were fucking rank rotten Played well defensively, but scored absolutely NO goals and gave up 4 points against teams we over-rated. Out of a possible 6 points we have taken 2. away to the 4 teams above and with 2 up front (boyd played every game, as well) we only scored 2 goals, and only got 2 points, away against celtic and sheep (2 of the hardest away games for bears, arguably) we have the same amount of points but played better out of these 6 games celtic away (2nd time) sheep utd well saints hearts what were the best performances? You are forgetting all the games we WON playing two up front. That includes 4-2 at Celtic Park. We have won ZERO games with the one up front formation and scored ZERO goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steakbake Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Given that we have been to the piggery twice and the land of the sheep twice,i think Wattie will revert back to 4-4-2 for the remainder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Given that we have been to the piggery twice and the land of the sheep twice,i think Wattie will revert back to 4-4-2 for the remainder of the season. If he does then we will win the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steakbake Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Given that we have been to the piggery twice and the land of the sheep twice,i think Wattie will revert back to 4-4-2 for the remainder of the season. If he does then we will win the SPL. That's what i like nvager-a positive attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If he does then we will win the SPL. He has to now. Too many times this season we have let Celtic off the hook when they have dropped points. Sunday was another case of failing to get our noses in front. We've run out of missed chances....like in a match, you have to take your chances or you just won't win anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Smith will continue to play 4-5-1, because Ferguson clearly can't play in a 4-4-2. Not that he's any better in a 4-5-1, but at least then McCulloch provides extra cover for him. Personally I'd prefer to see a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Davis, Mendes and Edu in the middle, Naismith on the right and Fleck on the left. Sadly the saying 'when pigs fly' comes to mind. Aaron and Beasley are also options for wingers in that formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Smith will continue to play 4-5-1, because Ferguson clearly can't play in a 4-4-2. Not that he's any better in a 4-5-1, but at least then McCulloch provides extra cover for him. Personally I'd prefer to see a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Davis, Mendes and Edu in the middle, Naismith on the right and Fleck on the left. Sadly the saying 'when pigs fly' comes to mind. Aaron and Beasley are also options for wingers in that formation. Sadly Ferguson will not be dropped. Aaron will not get his chance, but Beasley might. I feel we have to play a 4 4 2 with Lafferty and Boyd up front. Boyd is not the greatest but our recent 4 1 4 1 escapades have produced 2 points out of 6 and Zero goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 You are forgetting all the games we WON playing two up front. That includes 4-2 at Celtic Park. We have won ZERO games with the one up front formation and scored ZERO goals. Including the uefa cup final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Name one of the big clubs in Europe that play a 4-4-2? Nearly all big clubs now play 4-5-1(4-1-4-1), the problem is we havn't quite got the personnel correct yet. We used this formation at Pittordrie and i cannot quite remember us controlling a game up there as much as we did that day. If novo had scored then Walter would have been branded a genius. We used the formation at Celtic Park and completely bossed the second half and if we took one of the few good chances we had then Walter would have been branded a genius. Personally, i actually prefer the 4-1-4-1 formation as with this formation we actually control the game and have the majority of possession. We just need to find the correct personnel up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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