OlegKuznetsov Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 How can you sit in a stadium with 50,000+ supporters on one side belting out songs about hating "huns", a sectarian term in Scottish Law, songs with reinstated "till there are no Protestants at all" add ons and "Ooh! Ah! Up the 'Ra!" about an illegal, racist, sectarian group of murdering terrorists, but only hear "a section of" the 7,500 minority sing a non-racist song which has been misrepresented as relating to a nationality who have never had anything to do with it? Would deafness in one ear be sufficient reason for such an oversight? Clearly not. Could it be simple-mindedness? Very possibly. However, the real reason is obvious to all. It's A. Dick, at it again. To use his first name, Alan, despite being at many Celtic games, home and away, where IRA songs and "hun" chants have been obvious to all, never hears a thing. Unless of course it's Rangers fans. In such controversial matters, fairness is key. Mr Dick clearly isn't up to the job. He thinks that it's "Okay Dokey" to glorify racist, sectarian murderers, who killed innocent men, women and children, purely for their nationality, whilst gently mocking the Celtic fans' irrational and maudlin obsession with a divisive interpretation of an irrelevant part of a history is a chief crime. He didn't even wait for the first round of games to be over, last season before condemning Rangers fans, whilst having more than a year and a half of patience for the IRA and genocidal anti-Protestant stuff. He really does live up to his name, as glib as that may sound. Sometimes words and names are almost romantically just. The SPL really have to question this man's position. He is clearly incapable of exercising even the most fleeting glance towards objectivity. The sad fact remains, he is more of a joke than his name. Ironically, and somewhat comically too, he'll get the most support from the real bigots. So I say to all Rangers fans, it's that time again! We must draw together and fight. Firstly, we must email, post letters to and phone the SPL. They must have it pointed out that IRA songs, anti-Protestants and other offensive songs were sung by the 85% of the stadium that A. Dick missed. Furthermore, we must start organising a higher level of protest. We must be prepared to peacefully picket the SPL and other SPL games, especially Celtic's away games. We must offer them a bigger problem than the one A. Dick is trying to manufacture for us out of thin air. We cannot be wearied by the tedious monotonous nature of the bigots' agenda. We must be prepared to steel ourselves and fight back. Aye Ready!
OlegKuznetsov Posted February 17, 2009 Author Posted February 17, 2009 How can you sit in a stadium with 50,000+ supporters on one side belting out songs about hating "huns", a sectarian term in Scottish Law, songs with reinstated "till there are no Protestants at all" add ons and "Ooh! Ah! Up the 'Ra!" about an illegal, racist, sectarian group of murdering terrorists, but only hear "a section of" the 7,500 minority sing a non-racist song which has been misrepresented as relating to a nationality who have never had anything to do with it? Would deafness in one ear be sufficient reason for such an oversight? Clearly not. Could it be simple-mindedness? Very possibly. However, the real reason is obvious to all. It's A. Dick, at it again. To use his first name, Alan, despite being at many Celtic games, home and away, where IRA songs and "hun" chants have been obvious to all, never hears a thing. Unless of course it's Rangers fans. In such controversial matters, fairness is key. Mr Dick clearly isn't up to the job. He thinks that it's "Okay Dokey" to glorify racist, sectarian murderers, who killed innocent men, women and children, purely for their nationality, whilst gently mocking the Celtic fans' irrational and maudlin obsession with a divisive interpretation of an irrelevant part of a history is a chief crime. He didn't even wait for the first round of games to be over before condemning Rangers fans, whilst having more than a year and half of patience for the IRA and genocidal anti-Protestant stuff. He really does live up to his name, as glib as that may sound. Sometimes words and names are almost romantically just. The SPL really have to question this man's position. He clearly is incapable of exercising even the most fleeting glance towards objectivity. The sad fact remains, he is more than a joke than his name. Ironically, and somewhat comically too, he'll get the most support from the real bigots. So I say to all Rangers fans, it's that time again! We must draw together and fight. Firstly, we must email, post letters to and phone the SPL. They must have it pointed out that IRA songs, anti-Protestants and other offensive songs were sung my the 85% of the stadium that A. Dick missed. Furthermore, we must start organising a higher level of protest. We must be prepared to picket the SPL and other SPL games, especially Celtic's away games. We must offer them a bigger problem than the one A. Dick is trying to manufacture for us out of thin air. We cannot be wearied by the tedious monotonous nature of the bigots' agenda. We must be prepared to steel ourselves and fight back. Aye Ready!
The Hammer 11 Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Simple get the club/fans to boycott away games hurts their pockets not ours and the likes of hamilton,st mirren, inverness who need the money from our gates would start to put pressure on the SPL
eastcoastbear Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Good post Oleg. A blatant vendetta against us if ever there was one. I nicked the following from another forum earlier today when RM was having a beau peep............ If reports in this mornings rags are to be believed then we will be reported again for sectarian singing after Sunday's match. Possibly it will be songs directed at Scott Brown while the imaginatively titled famine song seem to have upset the attending match delegate Mr Alan Dick. For anyone who isn’t aware what an SPL delegate is; this was a scheme introduced in 2005-2006 where a range of people who have been involved at one level or another in Scottish football will attend the match on behalf of the SPL to oversee the game. The match delegates liaise with the match commander, inspect the pitch and act as an eyes and ears in the crowd to watch what is happening on the pitch and in the stands. They produce a report on this which they then submit to the SPL with observations and recommendations. We seem to have made an enemy of one of these delegates and it now seems a one man crusade against our fans is underway from a former Motherwell and Partick thistle director called Alan Dick. Mr Dick has now reported Rangers to the SPL for sectarian singing on three separate occasions. Once for a game at Ibrox against Aberdeen at the end of the season in 2006, then at the beginning of the new season in 2007 at Inverness and finally on Sunday. Now, let's make it clear that just now it’s only speculation as the SPL have not confirmed what is in Mr Dick's report but I will say that on the previous two occasions he reported us, the information was leaked to the media before the report was submitted (now who could have done that, Mr Dick?) so we can safely assume this will happen again. Let’s examine this a little more closely. Mr Dick attends a game of football every week and we are being asked to believe that since 2005, when this scheme was introduced and an observer was placed in the stand at every SPL game, that he (or any other SPL delegate) has only heard offensive chanting three times and they all involved Rangers. The latest one was an Old Firm match for goodness sake. I have attended these games for many years and to pretend what is now termed as unacceptable chanting comes from one end if beyond a joke. During the Celtic fans every visit to Ibrox they will frequently chant about the IRA, use derogatory terms for protestants, make vile references to the Queen and Davie Cooper but these seem to be ignored. Dick reported us at Inverness for sectarian singing on the first game of last season but just two weeks ago various Celtic fans were arrested in the stadium for sectarian and racist chanting but the SPL delegate for reasons best known to himself, heard nothing. Finally our first report was concerning an Aberdeen game at Ibrox. I am sure I don’t need to tell anyone who has regularly attended these games over the years what we hear from the away fans - references to the Ibrox Stadium disaster being a particular favourite of these 'supporters'. Are we to believe that this chanting is acceptable to the SPL? Why were the reports in these games only about us? Where is the parity in all this? I shall digress, slightly, and ask one to cast their mind back to Love Street on November 13th, 2006; Armistice day, a day when all British citizens quietly reflect the sacrifices their fathers and grandfathers made in the two great wars. Celtic were playing there that day and because of that a minutes silence was cancelled; too risky no doubt given the Celtic fans appalling record on these occasions. This riled the home support, as coupled with this, they were to be subjected to 45 minutes of vile anti-protestant and anti-British singing. The stadium announcer so upset by all he had seen decided to make an announcement at half time asking the home fans not to react to the filth being spewed from the stands and to keep their heads. For the singing to be this bad you would have thought the SPL delegate would have mentioned all of this in his report and Celtic would have been at least warned by the SPL about their future conduct? Sadly this did not happen. Now a quick check would reveal who the SPL delegate was that day, can you see where this is going……yes it was Mr Alan Dick. No media exclusives either that Monday, eh? I am not trying to paint us as the innocents in all this, some of us will need to accept that part of our repertoire is now seen as unacceptable and will only bring us bad publicity and the quicker we drop these tunes the better. I more wanted to draw a comparison between the treatment we receive and the treatment that every other club in Scotland receive. I could go through each club in the SPL and find offence at something they chant whether it be homophobic, sectarian, racist or sheepist(!) - you will find this happening in every ground in Scotland. Surely people must see that we as a group of fans will be more willing to co-operate if these rules are applied to everyone. If there are rules written in stone somewhere saying what we can and can’t sing then enforce them across the board. After all, if fenian is offensive then so is h** or if we are to believe that songs mocking the faux Irishness of our friends in the east end are so upsetting that they are causing their children to burst into tears then songs about people who murdered indiscriminately on this island are at least equally as offensive to us and any other normal member of society. At the beginning of last season Mr Dick said “If there is any flak for the delegate after the game because his name has been in the media then we've just got to put up with it. I am big enough, ugly enough and old enough to suffer the consequences but I don't feel intimidated at all.” This only seems to apply when Rangers are playing though Mr Dick and when you only apply these rules to one team then your motives will rightly be questioned and only one conclusion will be drawn...
MayboleLoyal_atb Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 The songs that were sung on Sunday got my faith back in what we are all about. We defied what the clowns in the media/SPL had told us/warned us not to do. Let's just hope this new attack doesn't force some of the bears who sang proudly on Sunday back into there silence.
eastcoastbear Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Good post Oleg. A blatant vendetta against us if ever there was one. I nicked the following from another forum earlier today when RM was having a beau peep............ If reports in this mornings rags are to be believed then we will be reported again for sectarian singing after Sunday's match. Possibly it will be songs directed at Scott Brown while the imaginatively titled famine song seem to have upset the attending match delegate Mr Alan Dick. For anyone who isn’t aware what an SPL delegate is; this was a scheme introduced in 2005-2006 where a range of people who have been involved at one level or another in Scottish football will attend the match on behalf of the SPL to oversee the game. The match delegates liaise with the match commander, inspect the pitch and act as an eyes and ears in the crowd to watch what is happening on the pitch and in the stands. They produce a report on this which they then submit to the SPL with observations and recommendations. We seem to have made an enemy of one of these delegates and it now seems a one man crusade against our fans is underway from a former Motherwell and Partick thistle director called Alan Dick. Mr Dick has now reported Rangers to the SPL for sectarian singing on three separate occasions. Once for a game at Ibrox against Aberdeen at the end of the season in 2006, then at the beginning of the new season in 2007 at Inverness and finally on Sunday. Now, let's make it clear that just now it’s only speculation as the SPL have not confirmed what is in Mr Dick's report but I will say that on the previous two occasions he reported us, the information was leaked to the media before the report was submitted (now who could have done that, Mr Dick?) so we can safely assume this will happen again. Let’s examine this a little more closely. Mr Dick attends a game of football every week and we are being asked to believe that since 2005, when this scheme was introduced and an observer was placed in the stand at every SPL game, that he (or any other SPL delegate) has only heard offensive chanting three times and they all involved Rangers. The latest one was an Old Firm match for goodness sake. I have attended these games for many years and to pretend what is now termed as unacceptable chanting comes from one end if beyond a joke. During the Celtic fans every visit to Ibrox they will frequently chant about the IRA, use derogatory terms for protestants, make vile references to the Queen and Davie Cooper but these seem to be ignored. Dick reported us at Inverness for sectarian singing on the first game of last season but just two weeks ago various Celtic fans were arrested in the stadium for sectarian and racist chanting but the SPL delegate for reasons best known to himself, heard nothing. Finally our first report was concerning an Aberdeen game at Ibrox. I am sure I don’t need to tell anyone who has regularly attended these games over the years what we hear from the away fans - references to the Ibrox Stadium disaster being a particular favourite of these 'supporters'. Are we to believe that this chanting is acceptable to the SPL? Why were the reports in these games only about us? Where is the parity in all this? I shall digress, slightly, and ask one to cast their mind back to Love Street on November 13th, 2006; Armistice day, a day when all British citizens quietly reflect the sacrifices their fathers and grandfathers made in the two great wars. Celtic were playing there that day and because of that a minutes silence was cancelled; too risky no doubt given the Celtic fans appalling record on these occasions. This riled the home support, as coupled with this, they were to be subjected to 45 minutes of vile anti-protestant and anti-British singing. The stadium announcer so upset by all he had seen decided to make an announcement at half time asking the home fans not to react to the filth being spewed from the stands and to keep their heads. For the singing to be this bad you would have thought the SPL delegate would have mentioned all of this in his report and Celtic would have been at least warned by the SPL about their future conduct? Sadly this did not happen. Now a quick check would reveal who the SPL delegate was that day, can you see where this is going……yes it was Mr Alan Dick. No media exclusives either that Monday, eh? I am not trying to paint us as the innocents in all this, some of us will need to accept that part of our repertoire is now seen as unacceptable and will only bring us bad publicity and the quicker we drop these tunes the better. I more wanted to draw a comparison between the treatment we receive and the treatment that every other club in Scotland receive. I could go through each club in the SPL and find offence at something they chant whether it be homophobic, sectarian, racist or sheepist(!) - you will find this happening in every ground in Scotland. Surely people must see that we as a group of fans will be more willing to co-operate if these rules are applied to everyone. If there are rules written in stone somewhere saying what we can and can’t sing then enforce them across the board. After all, if fenian is offensive then so is h** or if we are to believe that songs mocking the faux Irishness of our friends in the east end are so upsetting that they are causing their children to burst into tears then songs about people who murdered indiscriminately on this island are at least equally as offensive to us and any other normal member of society. At the beginning of last season Mr Dick said “If there is any flak for the delegate after the game because his name has been in the media then we've just got to put up with it. I am big enough, ugly enough and old enough to suffer the consequences but I don't feel intimidated at all.” This only seems to apply when Rangers are playing though Mr Dick and when you only apply these rules to one team then your motives will rightly be questioned and only one conclusion will be drawn...
Jardy Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 The songs that were sung on Sunday got my faith back in what we are all about. We defied what the clowns in the media/SPL had told us/warned us not to do. Let's just hope this new attack doesn't force some of the bears who sang proudly on Sunday back into there silence.
HelloMoto Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't cut your nose off to spite your face.
barrymorrison1 Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 what we should do is win this fukin flag, and then belt out the billy boys at the sco cup final if we make it. who gives a fuck about that cup anyway, at least we will prove a point that we r rangers, no one likes us we dont care!
OlegKuznetsov Posted February 17, 2009 Author Posted February 17, 2009 Good post Oleg. A blatant vendetta against us if ever there was one. I nicked the following from another forum earlier today when RM was having a beau peep............ If reports in this mornings rags are to be believed then we will be reported again for sectarian singing after Sunday's match. Possibly it will be songs directed at Scott Brown while the imaginatively titled famine song seem to have upset the attending match delegate Mr Alan Dick. For anyone who isn’t aware what an SPL delegate is; this was a scheme introduced in 2005-2006 where a range of people who have been involved at one level or another in Scottish football will attend the match on behalf of the SPL to oversee the game. The match delegates liaise with the match commander, inspect the pitch and act as an eyes and ears in the crowd to watch what is happening on the pitch and in the stands. They produce a report on this which they then submit to the SPL with observations and recommendations. We seem to have made an enemy of one of these delegates and it now seems a one man crusade against our fans is underway from a former Motherwell and Partick thistle director called Alan Dick. Mr Dick has now reported Rangers to the SPL for sectarian singing on three separate occasions. Once for a game at Ibrox against Aberdeen at the end of the season in 2006, then at the beginning of the new season in 2007 at Inverness and finally on Sunday. Now, let's make it clear that just now it’s only speculation as the SPL have not confirmed what is in Mr Dick's report but I will say that on the previous two occasions he reported us, the information was leaked to the media before the report was submitted (now who could have done that, Mr Dick?) so we can safely assume this will happen again. Let’s examine this a little more closely. Mr Dick attends a game of football every week and we are being asked to believe that since 2005, when this scheme was introduced and an observer was placed in the stand at every SPL game, that he (or any other SPL delegate) has only heard offensive chanting three times and they all involved Rangers. The latest one was an Old Firm match for goodness sake. I have attended these games for many years and to pretend what is now termed as unacceptable chanting comes from one end if beyond a joke. During the Celtic fans every visit to Ibrox they will frequently chant about the IRA, use derogatory terms for protestants, make vile references to the Queen and Davie Cooper but these seem to be ignored. Dick reported us at Inverness for sectarian singing on the first game of last season but just two weeks ago various Celtic fans were arrested in the stadium for sectarian and racist chanting but the SPL delegate for reasons best known to himself, heard nothing. Finally our first report was concerning an Aberdeen game at Ibrox. I am sure I don’t need to tell anyone who has regularly attended these games over the years what we hear from the away fans - references to the Ibrox Stadium disaster being a particular favourite of these 'supporters'. Are we to believe that this chanting is acceptable to the SPL? Why were the reports in these games only about us? Where is the parity in all this? I shall digress, slightly, and ask one to cast their mind back to Love Street on November 13th, 2006; Armistice day, a day when all British citizens quietly reflect the sacrifices their fathers and grandfathers made in the two great wars. Celtic were playing there that day and because of that a minutes silence was cancelled; too risky no doubt given the Celtic fans appalling record on these occasions. This riled the home support, as coupled with this, they were to be subjected to 45 minutes of vile anti-protestant and anti-British singing. The stadium announcer so upset by all he had seen decided to make an announcement at half time asking the home fans not to react to the filth being spewed from the stands and to keep their heads. For the singing to be this bad you would have thought the SPL delegate would have mentioned all of this in his report and Celtic would have been at least warned by the SPL about their future conduct? Sadly this did not happen. Now a quick check would reveal who the SPL delegate was that day, can you see where this is going……yes it was Mr Alan Dick. No media exclusives either that Monday, eh? I am not trying to paint us as the innocents in all this, some of us will need to accept that part of our repertoire is now seen as unacceptable and will only bring us bad publicity and the quicker we drop these tunes the better. I more wanted to draw a comparison between the treatment we receive and the treatment that every other club in Scotland receive. I could go through each club in the SPL and find offence at something they chant whether it be homophobic, sectarian, racist or sheepist(!) - you will find this happening in every ground in Scotland. Surely people must see that we as a group of fans will be more willing to co-operate if these rules are applied to everyone. If there are rules written in stone somewhere saying what we can and can’t sing then enforce them across the board. After all, if fenian is offensive then so is hun or if we are to believe that songs mocking the faux Irishness of our friends in the east end are so upsetting that they are causing their children to burst into tears then songs about people who murdered indiscriminately on this island are at least equally as offensive to us and any other normal member of society. At the beginning of last season Mr Dick said “If there is any flak for the delegate after the game because his name has been in the media then we've just got to put up with it. I am big enough, ugly enough and old enough to suffer the consequences but I don't feel intimidated at all.” This only seems to apply when Rangers are playing though Mr Dick and when you only apply these rules to one team then your motives will rightly be questioned and only one conclusion will be drawn... That's an excellent piece mate. Cheers for posting it.
Guest Andypendek Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 internet tart You may be a young man sowing his virtual oats, but you'll always return to the haggard old sow that is RM. She'll always cook your breakfast.
GeneralCartmanLee Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 internet tart You may be a young man sowing his virtual oats, but you'll always return to the haggard old sow that is RM. She'll always cook your breakfast. This site was down and my rage needed an outlet ......
GeneralCartmanLee Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Rangers expected to escape punishment after SPL sectarian chant probe against Celtic Rangers are unlikely to be punished by either a fine or the docking of points, despite being reported to the Scottish Premier League for an outbreak of sectarian singing by their fans at Celtic Park during Sunday's Old Firm derby, Telegraph Sport understands. By Roddy Forsyth Last Updated: 8:06PM GMT 17 Feb 2009 Desperate to play: Kris Boyd of Rangers attempts a shot as Falkirk's Darren Barr tries to intercept Photo: GETTY IMAGES The SPL's match delegate, Alan Dick, will deliver his report on the proceedings on Wednesday and will mention the singing of the chorus of The Famine Song, which has been proscribed by the Ibrox club on threat of prosecution. Rangers were reported for sectarian chanting at Inverness at the start of last season, but escaped sanctions by the SPL in recognition of the efforts they have made to eradicate the problem. It appears likely to go in their favour that when a fan was removed from the crowd at Kilmarnock for singing the chorus in November – he was subsequently sentenced to two years' probation and banned from football grounds – it was stewards employed by Rangers who apprehended the culprit. The same arrangements will be in place at Station Park on Wednesday night when Forfar meet Rangers in the Homecoming Scottish Cup fifth round tie which was postponed because of a frozen pitch. Rangers have had to endure fallout of a different sort – as have Celtic – from one of the drabbest Old Firm derbies in memory, after Sunday's graceless goalless draw. Ally McCoist, Rangers' assistant manager, who is in charge of the side for cup ties, acknowledged the criticism on Tuesday but asked that it be tempered with perspective. "It wasn't a good game but, to be honest, I can't remember a goalless draw in an Old Firm game and I don't think I ever played in one," said McCoist. "I might be wrong but I played in 50 plus games against Celtic and I don't remember any of them being goalless, so I think we should cut both sets of players a bit of slack this time around. "I always tend to look for positives and although we were poor in the first half we came out and did a bit better in the second – which would not have been difficult. I also think we defended well and looked comfortable. "After the half-time interval, we certainly had more of the attacking play than Celtic and probably more than we had in the entire 90 minutes at Ibrox in December." One man who escaped culpability for Sunday's dire fare – but who was not happy at being excluded from the proceedings – is Kris Boyd. Rangers' top scorer has a negligible record against Celtic and had to cool his heels on the bench while both Steven Naismith and Kenny Miller were sent on as second half substitutes. Boyd, of course, famously walked out on Scotland when he was confined to the bench during the World Cup qualifier at Hampden Park in October, but will start against Forfar. "I know exactly how Kris feels, I have been there, and it's not easy," said McCoist. "But the most important thing is the team and that's all that matters. Individuals do not matter at all – Kris knows that. "We have to put out a team that we feel is capable of winning the league and I hope we can eventually do that. Kris will be disappointed, there is no denying that, but I sure he will realise that we have to pick a team to win a game and the starting 11 we put out for the next fixture could be totally different." Boyd is not the only change from the starting selection against Celtic. Kirk Broadfoot sustained a foot injury during the derby and is out – although he will return for Saturday's home league meeting with Kilmarnock – but Kyle Lafferty will travel to Forfar despite suffering from cramp at Parkhead. Meanwhile, the Forfar manager, Dick Campbell, was tight-lipped about his selection but said: "I know the side I will be putting out and have told the players who will be starting. I will be looking for them to go out there and give it their best shot. "Hopefully, we can keep it nice and tight and give it our all, because last time we played we were two down before the announcer had finished reading out the teams." I expected this to turn out like this, i doubt the club will be punished to the degree of fines or the tims wet dreams of point deduction
blyth Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Great posts lads. It really is infuriating when you consider all of the facts surrounding A.Dick. The man is a disgrace, pure and simple. The sooner cunts like him are out of the game, the better.
OlegKuznetsov Posted February 17, 2009 Author Posted February 17, 2009 Any footage will help. david ogilvie davidogilvie@scotprem.com info@scotprem.com 0141 620 4140 By the email format, I'd suggest that these emails are valid: lexgold@scotprem.com iainblair@scotprem.com
Guest therabbitt Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 internet tart You may be a young man sowing his virtual oats, but you'll always return to the haggard old sow that is RM. She'll always cook your breakfast. This site was down and my rage needed an outlet ...... Check out my email address under my signature
OlegKuznetsov Posted February 17, 2009 Author Posted February 17, 2009 Quick edit to the article. Some errors went online.
*Manticore* Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 We have to push this. What is not allowed and why? What is allowed and why? Tell us what the offence is! Anybody who has read Kafka's 'The Trial' will recognise the Rangers support in the Josef K role....
Carsons Dog Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 I'm beginning to think that the tims actually believe themselves to be a sect and anyone who says anything about them is therefore sectarian. There can be no other explanation for all this pysh.
come on the gers Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 Quality reads Oleg and GCL. Can I just second that.
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