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Interesting first post
If it is his first post.
I suspect he's on under at least two other monikers.
It's a good way for the tin foil hat brigade to keep their obsessions in the spotlight.
If that's a dig at myself, lets ask admin to check the IP addresses of these members and see for sure then.
Just because more and more people are becoming skeptical of the RST and even more anti RST doesn't mean there is a conspiracy going on.
Go for it admin, shut this tube and his conspiracy theories up once and for all.
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I certainly wouldn't say the Trust isn't worth joining but neither will I be promoting it until I'm personally satisfied that the issues I have are addressed.
That seems to be THE most interesting thing on this whole thread.
Frankie has championed the RST here, there and everywhere for years but now finds it impossible to promote it while certain "issues" remain unaddressed. Everyone with any interest in the subject, RST members or not, should stop and ask themselves why this should be the case.
The top 2 in the RST have resigned so Frankie's "issues" don't appear to be with them. So presumably they are to do with the remaining board, whether policy, political or personal.
Why did Frankie decide that he simply couldn't remain on the RST board ? And why does the RST not want its members to know the answer ?
This is Frankie we are talking about. Frankie, high chieftain of the RST pudding race. And he has quit. Just like that. All is not well.
Business as usual ? Bah, humbug.
Be prepared for the avalanche of abusive PM's and posts mate. Be prepared.
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BML:
'Fact' One
That is not a fact - it's your opinion and it's a flawed one with no evidence to back it up. The RST is wholly democratic as shown by it's rules (accepted by it's members and backed by the government ST initiative) and there are lots of ways to speak your mind on how it works. Strangely you've plenty time to slag off others but you're too busy yourself to attend even one AGM, one Open Day or the RST shop to air your views in person. Very brave and strong willed of you...
'Fact' Two
Again, that is not a fact. The organisation have alerted the membership to the issue. Not as in-depth as you (or I actually) would like but these things take a bit of time. Once you know the full story then a better judgement as to people's character or intentions could be made. Until then you are being very childish with your unfair insults.
'Fact' Three
I'll take your claims at face value and am happy to say I'm sorry you had problems with your own membership. Thousands of others do not. Obviously the RST does suffer from the odd flaw and several mistakes have been made over the 5 years. However, that doesn't mean you can generalise about the whole organisation being shambolic. In fact, several areas of the Trust are run very well given the voluntary and minimally-funded nature of the group. That's why it has been moderately successful.
Who is 'all'? I see no-one sharing your view but a well-kent chancer who has been banned from this board. I don't need the backing of others either as I am very comfortable that people are reading the thread and making their own judgement.
'Fact' Four
Just because you want to insult people doesn't mean it's a fact. I am not a liar. I am not a coward. I am not weak. I am not dishonest. All the above open answers to your questions shows that. I'm sorry you can see past your own hypocrisy to see that.
As what kind of person you are, well I'll let people make their own judgements. I don't need to insult you to make my point.
Okay Frankie, thanks for taking the time to respond. Looks like our views are so differing that we will continue to go round in circles for years if this were to continue. I have my opinions, you have yours. I've posted my facts, you've posted yours. We are in stalemate and continuing this discussion is pointless.
As for what kind of person I am, I don't care what people think as long as they know I am the kind to speak exactly what's on my mind and confront things when I think they are wrong. If they think I'm a wanker apart from that then I am a happy man.
As I've said - good luck in the future and may all your wishes come true.
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I take exception.
Post away as you choose but I think it funny you post nothing but brown nosing posts to Frankie like you are his lackie.
This IS a debate.
Me and my friends? What are you on about? I know one person on here who posts now and again and he has been a member for a good while. I have one account here and admin can confirm that with one simple IP look up.
Whose posting unfounded nonsense now?
And I take exception at you taking exception.
As for you neither knowing the difference between opinions and facts; nor what a debate is, that I don't care about.
I'm sure you're old enough to take responsibility for your own education.
LOL - that's really all I can do to that.
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Oh dear.
Somebody doesn't know the difference between facts an opinions.
With all due respect (since I like what you have to say most of the time) if you cannot come into this debate and add at least a modicum of your own thought then don't bother at all.
First of all I will post as I choose.
Secondly this is not a debate, it is just you and friends (or you under other names, I neither know nor care) spouting poorly informed rubbish about the RST and Frankie doing an admirable job of putting you right.
Not that you'll pay any heed.
But thanks for the positive feedback
I take exception.
Post away as you choose but I think it funny you post nothing but brown nosing posts to Frankie like you are his lackie.
This IS a debate.
Me and my friends? What are you on about? I know one person on here who posts now and again and he has been a member for a good while. I have one account here and admin can confirm that with one simple IP look up.
Whose posting unfounded nonsense now?
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Oh dear.
Somebody doesn't know the difference between facts an opinions.
With all due respect (since I like what you have to say most of the time) if you cannot come into this debate and add at least a modicum of your own thought then don't bother at all.
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Fancy replying to this post of mine Frankie as it sums up all my points in a "onner" I think.
Cheers.
BML:
I think I've covered those points several times yesterday. I'll do so again if it makes you happy.
Sometimes an issue (or range of issues) means it may be impossible to continue in a position where one feels they may be unable to affect the problem. As such, to make the point, other action may be required to precipitate the changes one would like to see.
Of course if someone is unhappy, joining the RST board (or at least using the democratic channels available to challenge an issue) is the best course of action - certainly better than insults and unfounded rhetoric on internet forums - but when one has already attempted such a strategy, another may need to be explored.
That's where I personally am at this stage.
In Summary:
If you are unhappy with the direction of the Trust, join the board or turn up to meetings to air your view.
Nothing will change.
Quit the board.
Square One.
Frankie - when the two TOP guys step down at the same time as yourself it kinda makes it look like the same reason (s) were responsible for your departures. And if the top guys can't implement the change they desire, how on earth are normal members or newly appointed board members???
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Frankie
I actually replied to your last sidestep with a list of FACTS that you managed to once again sidestep. We've all become used to that.
Not once have I insulted you on this thread - only told you what I think of you from what I have seen so far. Some of that may well be negative but in no way did I insult you. If you can't take a negative comment from someone in this life and cry insult when someone airs their opinion, it's no wonder you couldn't hack it on the RST board.
I have a feeling you are a good chap deep down Frankie but to be frank, the way this debacle has been handled has shown a side to you that I don't think is the norm.
Sorry you've not posted one fact yet. What you posted were opinions - opinions I showed to be flawed because you had no evidence for them - you even said that yourself. You've had to retract at least two things already.
Yes I have, it's just a shame you choose to ignore them.
Fact One: The RST is run like a fascist organisation. Free speech is limited at best, members are banned from the largest RST recruitment wing if they attempt to discuss the reasons why the top two guys and the webmaster stepped down from the board. Democracy is frowned upon. Suddenly electing non members to the board of the RST without first running an "election" shows us everything we need to know about the history, morals and future intentions of the RST.
Fact Two: You, the other two and the RST are all weak, liars and cowards. Failing to alert the membership as to the reasons of departure of three key figures and failure to alert the membership as to the future management of the organisation is weak leadership at best. Cowards as you and they are afraid to speak up and are hiding behind this so called "professionalism".
Fact Three: The RST is run shambollically. Took over 4 months of harassing on my part to even recieve a reply from Christine regarding my share certificate - which was a present for a family member. Took over 6 months for it to arrive. Added to that the recent emergence of the whole "Website Login and Updates" hocus pocus and it soon becomes clear that the whole thing is run poorly.
And why keeping saying 'we've all' been used to me doing things I haven't actually done when we both know you have no support for your point of view. Apart from the fishy one of course and a 'few' invisible pm users...
We've all become used to you sidestepping the above three facts for the whole time you've been on this thread. Nothing "fishy" and no "invisible" PM's either. I have enough belief in my own judgement that I don't need backed up by anyone... using them as a reference point in debate which you have pounced upon like a man on his last stand.
Moreover, if you think calling someone a liar, a coward, weak, dishonest and the like isn't insulting then you are even more bizarre a guy than I first thought. I'm quite capable of taking criticism (I invited it every day when I was on the RST board) but there's a fine line between criticism and unfounded insults. You crossed it and any decent person knows that.
Calling someone a coward, liar and weak where merited is not an insult. It's not even an opinion. It's a stone cold, hard hitting fact that some people have trouble accepting when directed at themselves. If you can look in the mirror and tell yourself that the way the RST and more importantly the way you have handled this whole affair has been done with strength of character and 100% honesty then fine. I have proven otherwise.
I suggest you do what I did earlier and in the last post (which you again ignored) and contact the RST with your many concerns while raising the issues at the AGM. You've never done that before of course so that shows what kind of person you are.
Frankie, how on earth would you know if I have contacted the RST or not? I have never attended an RST AGM due to other more pressing commitments to family and meetings. I wont ever attend one again as my membership will be canceled when I get the chance.
And that shows what kind of person I am? Please expand, Old Bean.
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Just imagine Smith and Coisty walking out tomorrow morning and no answers given.
We certainly wouldn't find out after one week anyway....
Rubbish mate and you know it. We would all be demanding answers and the RST would be at the forefront of those claims.
If you think you'd find out after one week what happened, then you don't know enough about how Rangers FC is run. Look at the PLG/Barry Ferguson fiasco - do we know the truth about that more than a year later? No. There are other examples through the years where we hear rumours but not the full truth.
Of course, the RST would be at the forefront of finding out more (certainly if I had been on the board still) so I cannot explain their reluctance to fully discuss this issue as you'd like. You'd have to ask them.
Thus, as someone said above, it's strange that you want to pursue me for this instead of the organisation you are clearly unhappy with.
You post a long list of unfounded slurs and claims about people and the Trust but not once have you tried to do anything constructive about it - other than insulting me on here. Have you contacted the RST yet about your concerns? Do you intend raising them at their AGM in the early autumn?
Frankie
I actually replied to your last sidestep with a list of FACTS that you managed to once again sidestep. We've all become used to that.
Not once have I insulted you on this thread - only told you what I think of you from what I have seen so far. Some of that may well be negative but in no way did I insult you. If you can't take a negative comment from someone in this life and cry insult when someone airs their opinion, it's no wonder you couldn't hack it on the RST board.
I have a feeling you are a good chap deep down Frankie but to be frank, the way this debacle has been handled has shown a side to you that I don't think is the norm.
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how tall is he?
My guess would be 5ft6/5ft7 mate
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Excellent post mate... well written.
Just shows all these people on here "wanting to move forward" with this Club that we should be striving to cut all ties from them... not moving bloody well forward.
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i think I'll be speaking for all posters (for a change) when I call you a grade A wanker.
Welcome to the club :-)
ooooooooo touchy
let u down did i?
sorry mate really am.
Ive read your posts in the RST thread.
ive summed up what i think of you.
I shall be leaving the grade A wanker club as i really dont like being in the same club thatyou are head off.
And before you start a thread asking me why im resigning from the grade a wanker club please dont, i wont enertain your post number boosting lies and accusations that gave no foundations what so ever.
Wank
You are a fanny and if you want to attack my views publicly at least have the decency to take each point i make, rip it apart and give your own opinion on it in the relevant thread.
No. That would be too hard for someone who posts stupid links to try and fool other members.
look there ye go.
trying to turn this into a 260 post topic.
tut tut
Correct me if I am wrong but it was YOU who was doing all the attention seeking by starting this post.
I called you a grade a wanker jokingly and you have now confirmed to me that you are indeed one.
I couldn't care less how many pages this pointless thread reaches to be blatantly honest.
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i think I'll be speaking for all posters (for a change) when I call you a grade A wanker.
Welcome to the club :-)
ooooooooo touchy
let u down did i?
sorry mate really am.
Ive read your posts in the RST thread.
ive summed up what i think of you.
I shall be leaving the grade A wanker club as i really dont like being in the same club thatyou are head off.
And before you start a thread asking me why im resigning from the grade a wanker club please dont, i wont enertain your post number boosting lies and accusations that gave no foundations what so ever.
Wank
You are a fanny and if you want to attack my views publicly at least have the decency to take each point i make, rip it apart and give your own opinion on it in the relevant thread.
No. That would be too hard for someone who posts stupid links to try and fool other members.
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i think I'll be speaking for all posters (for a change) when I call you a grade A wanker.
Welcome to the club :-)
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Although I do agree with what Squire Edgar is saying who on this earth promoted him to "Fan Spokesman?"
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I never accused you of conspirational nor dishonest behaviour. I accused the RST of that. Jeezo.
I was interested in your point of view. "Professional standards you expect from board members" - bullshit. Just say what your reasons were and stop hiding behind "professional standards".
All I need to know is that the banner you used to display in your sig line is no longer there.
Therefore that tells me you feel the RST is not worth joining.
By association and generalisations you accused me of such. You have since called me a liar, a coward and weak as well as suggesting I was privy to the current board decision not to post news on their website. I'm astounded you now want to deny you've said that.
I've also already said that I would respect my former position and the organisation by progressing by resignation through the appropriate channels. As someone who is worried about the Trust professionalism and ethics I would have thought you'd welcome such an attitude. Telling all and sundry on public forums about why I resigned doesn't really benefit anyone at this stage.
Yes, the banner in my sig is not there any more. And, yes, that should tell you something about how I feel. I'm pretty sure most people would have picked up on that by now though. I certainly wouldn't say the Trust isn't worth joining but neither will I be promoting it until I'm personally satisfied that the issues I have are addressed.
That's something I hope I can do actually. Again, I'll do it through the proper channels though as I know that the Trust can work very well under the constitution it abides by. I certainly won't be complaining and moaning on internet forums as that serves little constructive purpose unless accompanied by genuine practical work.
Frankie,
You are the one who constantly used to tell people if they were not happy with the way the RST was run to do something about it and join the board,.. make a difference and all that.
And here you are, saying things aren't as you would have like them to be and you step down from your position.
Can you clarify that for us at the very least then?
Fancy replying to this post of mine Frankie as it sums up all my points in a "onner" I think.
Cheers.
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Just imagine Smith and Coisty walking out tomorrow morning and no answers given.
We certainly wouldn't find out after one week anyway....
Rubbish mate and you know it. We would all be demanding answers and the RST would be at the forefront of those claims.
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I tell you what, if our club had acted in such a manner the RST would be all over it. Failing to practice what they preach and all that.........
The RST has paying members......they deserve straighforward answers.
Just imagine Smith and Coisty walking out tomorrow morning and no answers given.
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Maurice Johnston is a scummy bastard.
extremely intelligent comment, really adds to this thread.
It is an intelligent comment. Why? Because it sums up this chancer excellently in just 6 words.
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The Chairman and Vice-Chairman have both resigned from their positions at the RST. It could have been handled with a simple statement outlining their reasons i.e. "Myself and Scott feel we've achieved our aims at building the trust into what it has become, and think it would be in the interest of everyone to allow new fresh ideas to come in and take us forward bla bla bla" or some other positive spin. We can assume a message like this wasn't circulated because Malcolm and Scott took the decision NOT to release a statement. The RST's hands are tied because they cant release a statement in case its completely contradicted and now after all the discussion no one would believe them.
Whatever reason they resigned, they've personally left a gaping vacuum that was ALWAYS going to be immediately flooded with negative rumours and gossip. What did they reasonably expect?
Even a dummy like myself can see one fact in the whole mess, Malcolm McNiven and Scott McMillan value their own ego/crusade higher than the Rangers Supporters Trust. This could/should all have been avoided,
What about Mr Franklin?
His many replies answered that or should I say didnt answer
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The Chairman and Vice-Chairman have both resigned from their positions at the RST. It could have been handled with a simple statement outlining their reasons i.e. "Myself and Scott feel we've achieved our aims at building the trust into what it has become, and think it would be in the interest of everyone to allow new fresh ideas to come in and take us forward bla bla bla" or some other positive spin. We can assume a message like this wasn't circulated because Malcolm and Scott took the decision NOT to release a statement. The RST's hands are tied because they cant release a statement in case its completely contradicted and now after all the discussion no one would believe them.
Whatever reason they resigned, they've personally left a gaping vacuum that was ALWAYS going to be immediately flooded with negative rumours and gossip. What did they reasonably expect?
Even a dummy like myself can see one fact in the whole mess, Malcolm McNiven and Scott McMillan value their own ego/crusade higher than the Rangers Supporters Trust. This could/should all have been avoided,
What about Mr Franklin?
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Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.
You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.
Ive never known a forum to ban so many Rangers genuine fans but they keep returning to it
I pay for the internet and I expect an explanation from them or I will take legal action
There are good Rangers fans who have been banned out of the blue, asking what they have done wrong on the backup board day after day. Instead of an answer, their thread is deleted once spotted and they are banned again for a second time.
Follow Follow has treated good fans abysmally for too long, it's an embarrassment. There are a lot of good guys on there, and I hope they are now starting to see through it all and walk away. When you look at how this place is run and treats it's members, it's night and day.
I'd always urge decent minded Rangers fans to use this place. But still, if good Rangers guys choose to use Follow Follow regularly, I still find it out of order that they should be treated in such a way by 'fellow fans'.
Follow Follow is not a forum for debate mate.
It's a cult.
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Maurice Johnston is a scummy bastard.
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Just listening there to the summary of the Rochdale game there on Talk Sport and hear the tannoy in the background and the fans singing along to The Sash...
Well... prolly not the Sash but the same tune...
Anyone know which set of fans this was and the words they were singing?
RST info...
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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What?
This has nothing to to with me you sanctimonious prat.
And I'm willing to prove it.
Now either put or shut up.