MrSifter
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I cannot recall one statement from him in the last fifteen years praising or supporting the fans. Of course, google is your friend and no doubt you'll be able to provide links to copious amounts of quotes to the contrary.
Google is my friend but seemingly not yours, from a few months ago....
Interpretation clearly isn't a strong point of yours. Perhaps that's why you constantly supported David Murray to the hilt, up to and including liquidation. It wasn't so much your fault, you just never understood what was going on.
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You seem to have the memory of a goldfish that can't remember Walter Smith ever defending Rangers, quite amazing....must be old age....or stupidity...one of the two...probably both.
You are the man who backed (and still does) David Murray to the hilt, up to and including liquidation. You have a credibility gap that no-one on here will ever forget.
Walter Smith, fine manager that he was, seldom spoke out in defence of the Club and I cannot recall one statement from him in the last fifteen years praising or supporting the fans. Of course, google is your friend and no doubt you'll be able to provide links to copious amounts of quotes to the contrary.
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Fair enough, hate to disrupt such a well thought out piece of debate.....
You've made a messageboard "career" out of defending David Murray to the hilt, up to and including liquidation. Thankfully not many people present such "well thought out" points of view.
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not under smith. But the rest we likely would have.
Smith would have ripped hampden park apart brick by brick to get to them
Tell me what makes you think that, what's the evidence from his two previous tenures to come to that conclusion?
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A tad confused by what you are saying bud........can you explain a bit more
Would you agree for at least the last fifteen years those in charge at the Club allowed the Club's name and the reputation of the fans to be spat on, shat on and dragged through the mud by anyone who wanted a pop?
Indeed, it could be argued that the single biggest asset (the support) was actually looked on with disdain by Club officials all the while appeasing those that absolutely hate us.
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not sure, we could invent scenarios where Walter Smith bought the club and didn't defend us if that makes you happy....
Just you get back to wishing it was the year 2000 and sniffing a pair of David Murray's jockeys.
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Been thinking a bit about Green and his various statements.
Does anyone think we'd still be putting up with "dignified silence" and allowing the Club and fans to be shat on like it has been in the last fifteen years if one of the old hands had bought the Club?
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Campbell Ogilvie is a 100% Rangers man.
You are correct - he's been out of the loop due to his previous links with the club whilst this EBT investigation is ongoing.
That may well be true. When is he going to start acting like one?
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Has anyone in the Jock hack pack praised the support for being the most loyal in the country?
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So we are banned from Europe for 3 years which means if we win the league/runner up in league/win Scottish Cup etc, some other SPL diddy team takes our place, while at the same time takes the money that Rangers and our fans bring to save these fucking clubs going to the wall? PLUS we can't sign any players to boost the squad
If Charles Green accepts that set-up next season, Ibrox will be fucking near empty because the fans will never stand for that shit.
Which part of FUCK OFF doesn't the SPL and their bum boys understand?
All those points are spot on. The European ban comes from UEFA and I don't know if they'd shift on it.
If they do look to restructure and they want us in the top flight we need to negotiate away the signing embargo.
If they do not, then we should not accept what is on offer. There is no advantage to us of being in there. I'm not at all convinced we should consider it anyway and we can claim sporting integrity as our reason for working our way up through the divisions.
I honestly think they'll try and struggle on for the next twelve months and hope to have us back in there next season. Do not forget the press and other SPL clubs were trying to push the idea that the Division 1 option was to help us out. What is no surprise but has become absolutely clear is we do not need or want any help from them and in fact they are absolutely reliant on Rangers for long term survival.
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How exactly could restructuring lead to a Division 3 club being in the top flight?
Where would the sporting integrity be in that?
Assuming we go up, there are still nine other clubs in Division 2 and the ten in Division 1 certainly have more moral rights to be in the top flight than we do.
For the SFL clubs to accept this now would be bizarre. It is also unfair on the Clubs in Division 1 and 2 who should be rewarded by trips to Ibrox and from the bears. These clubs were quite magnificent in accepting us into the SFL on true sporting integrity.
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They say the agreement was with the oldco, I think.
Which would mean the 2.55M is the oldcos and therefor the oldcos creditors should be entitled to it.
BUT the SPL are clearly skint they have either:
A) Spent the money already so cant pay it to member clubs.
B) Have not spent it, but they know they are strugging for cash so are looking for a way out.
Either way, the SFA are fucked.
Proper fucked?
Proper fucked.
By "they" I assume you mean the radio "pundits". They are not in anyway more knowledgable about this than you or I.
This all hinges on the five party agreement. If it is not specifically stipulated in that agreement that the new holding company is to pay Dundee Hibs then I don't see why we would given the letter of 18th May. It will be interesting to know why the SPL thinks they have not to honour that letter when the SFA did.
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Duff & Phelps have backed off and it's Charles Green who acts on their behalf since he took over, so I suppose it's possible the SFA got him to waive the winnings on behalf of Rangers both oldco and newco to get the SFA membership.
I don't understand why the SPL agreed to pay the money to Dundee in the first place, isn't the cup run by the SFA?
D&P never backed off. BDO were appointed as liquidators.
Charles Green has never had any rights to sign away money owed to the old holding company. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him.
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Now, they claim that that letter is not valid...
Who is claiming the letter is not valid mate? Also on what basis has it been invalidated according to this party?
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If the SPL don't have a spare, trifling sum like £30/k or so in the bank then they really are in the shitter.
And why is the BBC listing a payment of £83k as due to Dunfermline when the RFFF paid this long ago?
Good to have you back Mo, not seen you about in ages.
£30k is trifling to the majestic Rangers but to the SPL it is a decent sum of money.
The BBC reporting in this case just proves how poor their journalism is.
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why the fek does regan have HIS solicitor with him
does it not mean the SFA solicitor?
Probably because they've made an arse of every procedure to date. It'll be for his own protection I think. I'm maybe being too optimistic but I think they might be worried now someone at the Club has said we're not eating shit anymore.
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The deal wasn't even done with Rangers. Dundee Utd asked the SPL to pay them the money, off set against money the SPL would be due to Rangers. The SPL agreed to do so.
To me that means the SPL now owe Dundee Utd the money. Dundee Utd must know that's the case because they asked for it to happen ! Why they've even asked Rangers for the money is beyond me.
Excellent point.
It makes you wonder if the SPL have handled any of this saga competently at all.
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It was included as part of the deal to get our licence though so the SPL must recognise it as ours.
Surely it's their problem now.
We don't actually know what that agreement says.
They may have asked Green to waive a claim on that money but that in no way detracts from the fact the money is due to the old holding company. Green does not own the old holding company so he cannot have signed away their claim on the money.
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But they're quick to imply that Rangers are in the wrong.
True but two factors come into play:
Thomson hates us.
They are members of the SPL which is financially struggling.
It is in both Dundee Hibs and the SPL's mindset to try and screw us over at every turn. It will be interesting to see the five party agreement. If it lists out all the football debt we agreed to pay and Dundee Hibs are on there then the SPL will have a case. If however it does not list out all football debts then we will have the stronger case. Given Green's robust response I suspect it is the latter.
I also suspect this is nothing more than the SPL trying to deflect from the fact they don't have the cash flow to pay it.
Fun and games ahead, what price the SFL having to sue the SPL in order to get the monies contractually due to it?
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So we've got to pay the footballing debts of the oldco but don't get its footballing prize money
I agree it's a nonsense and Green made the point the new holding company had no legal obligation to do so.
The new holding company has no rights over money due to the old holding company, I don't actually see anything controversial in that.
The real issue is why either D&P or BDO are not or have not demanded payment for monies due so it can be passed onto the old holding company's creditors.
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So if we, or DH wanted, we could challenge the SPL in court over non-payment of debts?
I would believe that to be the case.
Dundee Hibs have been very quiet on this and I suspect they have in their possession a letter from the SPL dating back to May confirming the SPL would be paying them the money directly from the prize money due to the old holding company of Rangers.
This sort of thing would come out in the discovery process if it went to trial.
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I've no idea as I said, but this is excellent news. Let's see if BDO do what they should.
Also of note is that fact the SPL confirmed on 18th May they would pay the money to Dundee Hibs. This money would therefore be struck off our creditors list. That letter would be deemed to be legally binding under Scots Law.
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I do hope not, but some of D&Ps decisions were a touch odd, but that might just be me.
If the admins/liquidators could sink the SPL, I think I'd just about die laughing.
What incentive would there be for D&P to sign away a claim on that money? They would be in breach of their legal duty.
D&P with Green attempted a CVA, it failed. As a result the old holding company's assets were sold to Green's consortium and liquidators were appointed. Their duty is to recover all monies owed to the old holding company to be distributed to creditors before winding up the old holding company.
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I'm quite sure the Liquidators will be interested in these letters.
D&P will have the letters as they were running the club at the time. They will have provided them to BDO.
The new holding company may have waived a right to the prize money but they were not entitled to it anyway. Does anyone actually believe D&P or BDO will have waived rights to that money for creditors?
Great Sandy Jardine quote
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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Minutes round of applause for Sandy.
And another when he asks to be removed from the SFA Hall of Fame as he said he would.