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Paolo nutini there's yer itallian connection
That was a good film the Italian connection.
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I see what you did there
The Spanish economy is fucked with the Italian and Paisley economy rapidly heading that way.
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ST MIRREN fans are being urged to contribute to two separate supporter-backed fighting funds which the Paisley club will be able to dip into if the SPL cash crisis deepens.
Both the 10000Hours group and the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association (SMISA) hope to set up emergency cash reserves which will be donated to the Buddies.
The money will be used to keep the club afloat should the Rangers newco crisis drive away big-money SPL sponsors and leave Saints chiefs with a potential £1.1million black hole in their budget.
Bosses at 10000Hours, who are hoping to buy control of the Paisley club, have dubbed their fund Nero Blanco – with nero being the Italian word for black and blanco being the Spanish translation for white.
Originally, bid architect Richard Atkinson had planned to prop up Saints with cash pledged from his group’s 1,000-plus list of supporters in the event of backers such as Sky pulling the plug on the SPL.
But he has now decided not to divert away money that was specifically offered for the purpose of helping to buy control of Saints – and has instead set up a separate fund which fans will be able to donate to.
Atkinson also hopes that St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour and his fellow directors who are selling a controlling stake in the club will take that offer of help into account before finalising a deal which currently stands at £1.5million.
He said: “We expect future negotiations to acknowledge any money which may have been put into the club by the fans during a potentially uncertain period.”
SMISA, meanwhile, have launched their own fund called Support Our Saints and hope to arrange a series of fundraising events.
The newco saga should become clearer tomorrow when SFL clubs vote on whether to banish Rangers to the Third Division or allow them to drop just one tier to the First Division.
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Dumbarton FC meeting results in vote in favour of newco Rangers in First Division
Jul 13 2012 by Andy Galloway, Lennox Herald (main ed)
DUMBARTON fans gave the nod to a newco Rangers side being voted into next season’s First Division at a meeting on Saturday.
Nearly 100 season ticket holders, Sons Supporters Trust members and club shareholders attended the specially-organised gathering at Dumbarton Football Stadium.
And despite opposition being fiercely voiced on the internet to a newco Rangers being parachuted into the First Division, a vote at the meeting revealed a 55-28 result in favour.
The fans in attendance were briefed by directors on the two main options facing Scottish Football League clubs when they vote on the issue on Friday.
Many clubs have already stated that they will vote against a new version of the Ibrox club being given direct admission to next season’s second tier.
A club statement, placed on its official website after the meeting, said: “The stadium meeting on Saturday, July 7 featured an impassioned but level-headed debate and a detailed presentation of the ramifications of the two main options facing SFL owners next week.
“After hearing arguments on both sides, a clear majority of those voting (55 to 28) reluctantly felt that admitting the newco into the First Division would be the better option for Scottish football and smaller clubs as a whole – though no-one was happy with the situation other clubs have been put in.
“There was shared anger at the situation that has been created by the Rangers debacle and a commitment to future reform to put the game in Scotland on a more equitable and sustainable footing in future.
“Despite differences in the public debate, the DFC board believes that there is a determination to hold together for the good of the game and for the benefit of small clubs like Dumbarton.” Supporters had taken to websites like the popular ‘Pie and Bovril’ forum in recent weeks to register their anger at the possibility of newco Rangers entering the First Division.
The trust’s own website had also been deluged with messages from supporters who disapproved of the idea.
Some fans had threatened not to return to games at the Rock if newco Rangers are voted in, while away supporters are also considering boycotting their teams’ games at Dumbarton.
Stenhousemuir have also delivered a statement arguing that the best option is to start newco Rangers in the First Division.
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But the only piece of advice that he’s giving cash-strapped Scottish football is: Don’t throw Rangers in the dungeon.
Ex-Millwall supremo Paphitis has watched our game descend into a spiral of chaos, back-biting and uncertainty. The man who rescued the Football League after the ITV Digital meltdown has seen it all before.
He believes Scottish football can be saved and allowed to look towards a more prosperous future.
Tycoon Paphitis reckons Gers deserve to be punished. He reckons they should do “community service” in Division One in order to repay debt to the game.
But ahead of tomorrow’s vote by SFL clubs at Hampden, he says banishing them to Division Three would be catastrophic.
“They have been naughty. They have done things that have given them sporting advantages.
“Quite rightly they will have to pay a price. But there has to be a balance with the punishment.
“You can take away their position but you can’t take away their dignity. They must give something back again which benefits Scottish football. You can’t throw them in a dungeon, shut the door and throw away the key. No-one benefits.
“To allow them to pay back, you need them to be part of Scottish football at a decent level.
“You have to keep the interest and keep the finance in the game.
“If you don’t, you won’t have any decent players left.
“Rangers should be made to work for Scottish football. They should be made to work for the other clubs. They should be made to give back something.
“At the same time, you should allow them to get back their dignity by working it off.
“It is a kind of footballing community service. But not a namby pamby community service — serious community service.
“I don’t want them to go out and sweep the streets. There is no way I’d put them in the Third Division.
“That would be so negative for Scottish football. You’d lose the Sky contract, you’d lose interest and the dangers are just huge.”
Paphitis, who led Millwall to the FA Cup Final against Manchester United, watched the crisis unfold.
He has several business interests in Scotland and a love of football.
Theo Paphitis
Star of show ... Paphitis has lots of experience in business world
He has worked with both SFA chief executive Stewart Regan and SPL supremo Neil Doncaster down south. The Cypriot-born tycoon knows all the arguments over sporting integrity — and agrees with them.
But he added: “The clubs who are taking the decisions have got to be careful. The SPL clubs took their decision correctly in my view. They did so for sporting reasons.
“But what no-one must forget is how important Rangers is to them and to football as a whole.
“They need to find a way in which to help Rangers rehabilitate themselves in a way which helps the game so whatever damage has been caused is made up for.
“Otherwise they are in danger of killing the golden goose.
“Celtic need Rangers. We all need foes and need people we want to beat. As a Celtic fan, I would be disappointed not to get the chance to beat Rangers.
“The worldwide interest — and no disrespect to the others — is about Celtic and Rangers.
“If that goes, people won’t bother any more and you’re in danger of losing them forever.”
Paphitis played a leading role in hauling clubs back from the brink when ITV Digital folded.
And he reckons terrified Scots chairmen could breathe easier if they made the right call tomorrow.
He said: “Don’t let Rangers get away with it. No supporter with integrity wants them to get away Scot-free. But make them work for you and see it as an opportunity.
“You’re a million miles from being a busted flush. Football is such an important part of so many people’s lives in Scotland.
“You need it but you’re in danger of killing it. It’s part and parcel of the value of Scottish football.
“It might be tarnished but it needs to resurrected — and resurrected in a way where it adds value to the game.
“If you put them in the Third Division then I really fear for Scottish football. There can be a bright future as opposed to a negative future. But it’s all in your hands.
“There’s an opportunity to go forwards or backwards. It’s about where you want to go.”
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Why would u go on one of their forums? I feel sick.
fOLLOWED A LINK LOOKING FOR ANY SHIT ON ANYBODY IN THIS MESS.
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Came across this on a tim forum:
Turnbull Hutton formerly a senior executive with Diageo (one of their top 3 senior people in Scotland)
David Longmuir also formerly of Diageo,maybes a kinda mid-level manager.
In that former life,Longmuir would be looking at a P45 for the drivel he is now associated with.
Turnbull Hutton might not know the words to BOTOB but he has the reputation of being a heavy hitting,straight shooter (as his interview shows)
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Video here :http://www.<No links to this website>/football/spl/rangers/2012/07/11/rangers-in-crisis-sfl-chief-to-reveal-details-of-reform-plans-ahead-of-vote-on-newco-86908-23907113/
David Longmuir: ‘Clubs can vote whatever way they like’ over Rangers newco
STV 11 July 2012 15:54 BST
David Longmuir has reassured Scottish Football league clubs that they can vote ‘whatever way they like’ at Friday’s meeting over where a Rangers newco will play next season.
A large section of the Ibrox side’s supporters wish to enter the third division and work their way through the league structure.
However others such as SFA chief executive Stewart Regan have warned that would have far reaching consequences for the teams across the country.
Officials at Clyde and Raith Rovers have spoken of feeling bullied during the saga with Longmuir aiming to alleviate any fears after Wednesday’s SFL board meeting.
He said: “The one thing that is hugely important and that I’ve stressed to our clubs this morning is they have the freedom to vote whichever way they think is in the best interests of the game in Scotland.
“They can vote whatever way they like. The Scottish Football League will support whatever vote the SFL clubs make and we will deliver against the consequences of that vote.”
One proposal being examined is the expansion of the SPL to 14 teams for the 2013/14 season.
Longmuir added: “There are a number of options being looked at which involve the restructuring of the league. It’s part of a mix, there are others as well that we are looking at.
“Let’s be under no illusions. What we are trying to do here is to take Scottish football forward, and to take it forward in a way that excites fans, interests fans, keep clubs viable and doesn’t lose fans to the game.
“That’s our important mission and that involves a number of scenarios regarding bigger leagues, play-offs, better governance, better distribution of finance throughout the game and that is something worth going for.”
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Goian vows to see out Rangers contract
By IAN BLACK
DORIN GOIAN will return to Rangers this weekend and claims he is '99% certain' to see out the remaining two years of his contract.
Dorin Goian
Dorin Goian
The Romanian stopper has been training at his old club in Romania, Sporting Suceava, before he heads back to Glasgow on Friday.
Goian's willingness to see out his time at Ibrox comes as keeper Allan McGregor is reportedly set to pen a three-year deal with Turkish side Besiktas.
And the former Palermo ace has says he won't follow the path of the Scotland stopper away from Glasgow.
He said: "I will return to Scotland to clarify the situation with the club. I am 99% certain to go back and play for Rangers.
"Rangers are too big a name in world football and they can't just disappear overnight. I adapted very well there, I feel very appreciated and I want to see out the two years left of my contract."
However, Goian's agent, Florin Manea, has warned that his client will be a free agent if Rangers are demoted to the bottom tier.
He said: "I do not think Dorin wants to return home. He has a two-year contract with Rangers. If they remain in the second league, Goian will still be there.
"If they get sent to the fourth league, Dorin is a free agent and will look at his options."
With regards to his old team-mate McGregor, the 30-year-old stopper is believed to have agreed terms with the Turkish giants last night.
The Istanbul club had originally shown interest in the Scotland keeper as well as Steven Davis, and despite the Northern Irishman choosing to continue his career with Southampton, McGregor is poised to join Besiktas if he passes a medical later on today.
If the deal is sealed and clearance is granted for the switch, McGregor will then travel to Austria to meet up with his new team-mates at their training camp.
Meanwhile, Rhys McCabe could be set to move to Everton as flop winger Juanma Ortiz last night signed for La Liga club Granada.
McCabe is expected to open talks with Goodison gaffer David Moyes tomorrow which would see him follow in the footsteps of Steven Naismith, who also swapped the crisis at Ibrox for the English Premier League club.
And Ortiz, who had a disastrous season in Glasgow after being one of Ally McCoist's first signings, is now preparing for life back in Spain.
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Hard fucking lines.
The Turkeys voted for Christmas so suffer the consequences
Sage and onion anyone??
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for video
Turnbull Hutton sees opportunity for other clubs in Rangers 'pantomime'
STV 11 July 2012 12:37 BST
Raith Rovers director Turnbull Hutton believes the Rangers situation should be used as an opportunity to “rebalance” Scottish football and bridge the gap between the SPL and the SFL.
Hutton, who described plans to parachute the newco Rangers into the First Division last week as a move to “bully and railroad” SFL clubs, says he doesn’t buy into claims by those at the top of the game that £15.7m a year could be instantly lost if the Ibrox side are instead placed into the Third Division.
Raith will vote against any move to allow Rangers into the second tier and Hutton sees something positive out of the current crisis for other clubs in the Scottish game.
“I can understand the argument but I am not convinced at the figures which have been produced and distributed,” Hutton said of the SPL's claims of financial meltdown. “They are a worst case scenario and I don't believe it's that bad.
“There are two ways to look at this. One that says it is a tragedy, doomsday, Armageddon and all those things.
“The other is to say it is an opportunity. Maybe the game needs rebalanced. There is a massive difference between the SPL and SFL1. The SFL1 clubs are the one who would aspire to be in the top division.
“But if the whole financial structure is against that, what chance do you have? It seems over the years, since the SPL was set up, the gulf has got wider and wider and wider.
“It probably takes something like this to give you the chance to start again. It should be an opportunity I think.”
Hutton also questioned the positions of Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan and his SPL counterpart Neil Doncaster, saying he isn’t convinced they have the greater interests of the Scottish game at heart.
“I wonder if they really understand Scottish football. I think they understand the money making concept and look at the English Premier League as a role model.
“But I don't think either of them have been to a game at Annan, Brechin, Peterhead or whatever else. They don't understand what goes on in the lower leagues.
“If you don't understand that, then your job in the SFA especially is to have an overall brief watching Scottish football. If we are focusing on Premier League and cutting deals to protect the Premier League, I think that is wrong.”
Asked if he felt their positions were untenable, Hutton replied: “I think it is difficult. I think there is a feeling that they've lost the plot in one or two ways. It is going to be difficult for them to regain the trust I think they have lost.”
SFL clubs will decide on Friday whether to allow Charles Green’s newco Rangers into the league, before then voting whether to give the league board a mandate to put the club into the First Division if a deal can be struck with the SPL and SFA for sporting and financial concessions.
“I am not all that convinced Friday is the important day,” said Hutton. “I think Friday will be indicative of what's happened with clubs being lobbied and promises made.
“There are two issues. There is the Rangers issue and there is the need to reorganise Scottish football. They are two separate issues but they are being thrown together to come up with a quick, magic solution.
“I am not sure that's the right way to go. I think a bit of time is needed. Whatever way the vote goes, it won't be the end of it. It will continue after Friday.
“There will be more pain, more revelations, more new stories that come along and we will have to take it from there.
“The best suggestion I had was that all the SFL clubs should send their mascots. Our Roary Rover and Sammy the Tammy from Dunfermline should go up arm in arm up the stairs at Hampden.
“It would be a fine pantomime finale for what has turned out to be a pantomime all through.”
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“On Thursday, the club received a £335 cheque from the account, making a total of £563. Many thanks to all who are contributing and keep up the good work.”
Inundated with cash.
It's inundated for someone who has fuck all!!
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This from Gersnet
Insolvency of the Rangers - a status quo.
In the German press reported that the Rangers have gone into bankruptcy disbanded, and were re-established, and because of over € 160m debt in the fourth League must.
In fact, because many things are wrong:
In GB, there is a duality between football club and operated company. The club Rangers FC was founded in 1872 and 1899 due to economic necessity operator Company The Rangers Football Club plc launched. That was last year by then-owner Craig Whyte (he bought the club until the spring of 2011) driven to the wall.
The official report is either insolvent or in the mail, you can download it here:
http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/fe/ ... 5 ~ 174,334.00. pdf
What did Craig Whyte?
Craig Whyte was the Rangers acquired in May 2011 for £ 1 from its predecessor, Sir David Murray and was therefore about 85% of the shares.
At the time, pushed the Rangers a bank debt of approximately £ 20m, which was at that time at the Lloyds Banking Group. Lloyds was the previous owner Sir David Murray, pressure, because its steel empire in the aftermath of the financial crisis slipped deep into the red. The Rangers were one of the few parts of this empire, which could be quickly converted into cash. The bank promised to pay off debt Whyte, so that the Rangers fans were actually very optimistic about the future. Sure, there were rumors even then the person Craig Whyte, but that is popular with business people on this scale, too far from unusual. After it is always wiser.
Craig Whyte also obliterated the bank debt, but not with his own money. He came from proceeds from ticket sales for the next 4 years in the finance company Ticketus that Whyte is a sum of around £ 26m project stretched. So Whyte paid the debt and made sure that the club was initially going. That this is not a legal procedure by Whyte as well as Ticketus was - that Whyte's financing plan was not aware at first to be seen. Ticketus' claims against the Rangers totaled £ 26m said that they require mitlerweile but Whyte and have taken legal steps.
But that's not enough, Whyte paid from the date of acquisition charges no tax (VAT / PAYE), the Rangers more. By the time all these things came to light more and more, and so came in February 2012 the inevitable happened. The UK tax authority, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) demanded a sum of the outstanding and as Whyte (Rangers) could not pay / would, he filed the bankruptcy papers.
During the bankruptcy, it was all about the accrued during his term tax liabilities of £ 9-15m. Nothing more. All other liabilities are long-or medium term, as they are very common in clubs and on the normal flow belong.
It is clear from the insolvency official report (list of creditors) is the total debt at the date of insolvency to around £ 55m.
Whence then comes the popular press in the € 160m to € 170m?
From the imagination. They are not simple. Pessimists would say that they do not exist yet.
From the year 2000 around, have the Rangers (then no less dangerous owner Sir David Murray), like many other British companies also known as Employee Benefit Trusts (EBT) is used to provide power for at that time legally, the players with bonus payments . 2010/11 around the UK tax authority, this has it declared illegal and immediately began to check through companies that have used these EBTs as a kind of content options, which were then smuggled over to speak to the British income tax. They chose the Rangers as a prominent victim and there was just such payments between 2001 and 2006 about the legality of which is now in doubt. The horror figures bandied always like to relate the absolute worst case scenario that could occur if the tax authority and get away with everything, really everything but turn out to our disadvantage. That would be about £ 75m. And the word "could", which was set in the British press often before these high numbers is always even just "forget" happy times. Since this is also renowned by such institutions as the BBC is being done, it has taken over the German press, understandably, without further research. For this purpose there is but, still no final judgments, since it is not so easy, too, is something afterwards to explain completely illegal, which at that time it was not definitive.
There are already numerous other studies of HMRC in GB, because hundreds of companies, banks, football clubs (many clubs in the English Premier League) have used the same EBTs. Then, as stated a clear conscience.
A very complicated argument, but that has to do with the insolvency of the Rangers to anything! Here are the above £ 55m, as can be seen very well the bankruptcy report.
This interim statement only as to the numbers of such widely bandied.
What happened next?
The liquidator Duff and Phelps took over in June and failed a creditor negotiation. The UK tax authority (HMRC) does categorically against such methods. Then the liquidation of the operating company has decided after all of the shares, the ownership, employees, etc. transferred to the new operating company were Sevco Scotland. The football club itself remains unaffected thereof. Say, the Rangers Football Club, as we all know him and his 140-year history in Germany, remains untouched!
Membership in the Scottish top league (Scottish Premier League - SPL) and the Association (Scottish Football Association - SFA) has held that the operating company. Since the old one is broken, the new file an application for membership. This application was rejected on 04:07:12 10 clubs. Kilmarnock abstained, voted for the Rangers.
Now ask yourself, of course, how can it happen that decide such things, the competitors? Yes, that's just Scotland. A beautiful country, but in football over many decades of deep hatred coined that goes far beyond the rivalry between Rangers and Celtic. And as for the associations, so that Italian units appear in a worse light.
In Germany, most rules and regulations would clarify such a situation by yourself. As it should be. And then you have to live with what to give up the statutes. Finally we have the first so at some point once accepted. Not so in Scotland. Because it is such a thing is not easy. The associations were literally removed their pants and pinched fully before making a decision, which would easily have been their responsibility. What initially sounded like a joke, quickly became a harsh reality.
How to vote so should the incumbent board members of the SPL on the membership of the Rangers, but quickly gave that vote on the grounds that the decision taken by them alone (6 members of the 12 SPL clubs) could be taken. Agreement was reached quickly on it, all the 12 clubs have agreed.
A chase is a joke, against which followed, what then. The club suddenly saw the opportunity to get a bigger slice of the pie can be. A rank closer to a possible starting point for a European competition, more TV money, more sponsorship money, more money, etc., by a higher court for final season. Full of joy and of course, sure to vote as they would let the club do vote their own fans. This would be fun to clubs not to be missed. The fans went there not so much about money, rather than the bare glee and frustration pent up for decades. The results were clear, urged all fans to their respective clubs to vote "No" - under the threat that the clubs should vote against it, they would be boycotting their club. Sell could not of course with "greed" and "pure hatred", but hid behind the new favorite phrase "for the sake of sporting integrity".
Imagine only time that Bayern would be in a similar situation and DFB / DFL would ask in an attack on democracy, the clubs, which would in turn allow their fans to vote. The result should be known. Such a decision is an outrage! Such a thing is governed by statutes and decided not to sympathy and personal interests.
What in Scotland SFA, SPL, clubs etc. remove, is something like this, so they punish the Costa Concordia (ie the ship!), Their cooks, stewards, hostesses and passengers that the ship was aground. Who's to blame and who is drawn mainly responsible, is not matter where. The captains of other ships (ie, the chairmen of all other clubs), Costa and foremost, it's all about the Costa Concordia is pretty basic and does not depend on again preferably runs. Because they get all the passengers, revenue and media attention. And that is understood then as honest and objective decision. Then you have to come first.
This becomes clear when one sees how the penalties have been unequally distributed.
Rangers:
- Deducted 10 points (normal is insolvent).
- £ 160,000 - a fine (normal is insolvent).
-. Loss for the current CL-space and 3-year exclusion for European competitions (A UEFA rule, there must be any "club" at least 3 years as a member of the Association of the duality between the club and operated company has here a negative impact on a rule that primarily to oil tycoons and those of freshly launched clubs aiming to the appeal of the Champions League as not to undermine.)
- Liquidation of the operating company.
- Relegation to the 2nd, 3rd or 4 (There are member clubs of the SPL so the "no" vote.) League
- 1 year transfer embargo (A map of the SFA, which is not consistent with the statutes and judicial already been rejected, though was still not off the table).
- Loss of almost the entire professional squad (according to coach McCoist about 20 players - there are no more professional 8 full). The players were able to dissolve the company will prepay, some did so (not least on the advice of their agents - better deals on contract-free player).
- Missed transfer fees by the departures of players around £ 25m to £ 30m.
- Hardly abzusehender's image.
The real cause Craig Whyte:
£ 200,000, - fine, he will not pay anyway, and he may never again perform a job in Scottish football. That will make him tremble in Monaco is not really safe.
The association has to be described as neither had knowledge of Whyte's activities, nor could anyone from club side to do something against it. However, it is the club to be held accountable for misdeeds Whyte accountable. Mind you, for reasons of "sporting integrity".
Meanwhile, the club but at least something came to my senses and employed more and more with the reality. So what would it mean really, the Rangers would resign from the SPL? And suddenly everything appeared in a different light. The SPL clubs had their noise that is completely forgotten that the cake that it is important to distribute the future, much smaller. The TV deal is renegotiated, sponsors reduce their payments or get out completely, the Rangers are a magnet for the viewer's home games away as much as 5 to 15,000 fans who follow them always. And then also no major pieces of cake help if the cake is from a cookie. They did, however, until the last day understood, but because it was too late. In Germany, one would proceed according to statutes. Just as it should be. The same for everyone. In Scotland, you can vote for the opponents of sympathy. And that means hatred and envy. Called "sporting integrity".
One day before the vote went to the club managers literally colloquial to the ground ice, and they met again at a meeting. They had even realized what it would really mean. Only eight clubs had already announced in public statements, as their fans had decided and that we would of course be voting "no". The fans threatened to boycott the games should own, the club managers still decide differently. So it was a "no".
The next step:
The Rangers then membership in the next instance requested, the Scottish Football League (SFL), which the League 2-4 (Division 1-3) managed.
It has now long been the desire of the Rangers Appendix (!), Volunteered in the 4th Scottish League (Division 3) to restart, not least in order to bring their disapproval of the SFA and SPL expression, which have helped the club at any time, and cried constantly looking for new penalties and sanctions. Not to mention the decision by voting altogether. For ultimately, was the victim of an elitist club swindler and allowed himself to be athletic nothing to be guilty, which is completely ignored in the Scottish press. The SFA and the SPL is likely to fall into severe financial difficulties, because it will miss them (according to own data) about £ 16m in TV money from the revenues of the clubs, which the Rangers had a guest, not to mention. Already, they put pressure on the SFL, so this is not the Rangers in the 4th, but "only" in the 2nd League use, so that "no football in Scotland goes to the dogs." It's almost embarrassing, because while it is noted that the grant major television sponsor of the SPL is a grace period for a year without the Rangers would. So you have decided on the part of the grand SPL and SFA to move down the Rangers, but it delivered the same as the SFL pushed the buck, and predicts the consequences if you look at the specifications of the SPL / SFA does not fit. It should be noted that the SPL was of the "bigger" clubs in Scotland called for purely commercial reasons, to life and estimated such a large part of the sponsorship money for themselves, while the remaining 30 clubs in the SFL with an annual sum to be fobbed off by £ 2m. The joy about such behavior of the 'big' clubs and the association is behaving accordingly.
The Rangers fans (large-scale surveys of season tickets holders and members with an award of 80%), as well as coaches McCoist yourself, so in the fourth League. What do you want to also do well if the club does not have any more players. And apparently it is still in the interest of - Attention, here we have it again - his sporting integrity.
But neither of them now want to SFA and SPL, the SPL clubs still know little more. They want the Rangers in the second League and get back as quickly as possible in the SPL, but with penalties such as point deductions, transfer embargo, etc. for more years to it as harmless, toothless because of bears, but it is the buyer of sponsorship and TV money to use, can. Of course, everything in the name of - note - sporting integrity. Understood yet. But who would want to doubt in the slightest.
The SFL from right:
On Friday, 13:07:12 is now the Scottish Football League (SFL) to decide whether the Rangers in the 2nd, 3rd or 4 League will continue. And they guessed it, the SFL's decision also leaves the club. Or their fans? We will see.
Almost perversely, however, is how the small clubs in the 2nd, 3rd and 4 League (all vote together on) but are now set by the major organizations under pressure, but the Rangers but please only in the second Stick to league. And where the SPL clubs, all of which could not be fast enough to be at hand, the Rangers for the sake of sporting integrity in the 4th League to send this wish now that it's suddenly only to their own money, avoid at all costs, even while the Rangers certainly prefer. Inverted world? No, just football in Scotland today. And to achieve this, the small clubs are also placed under severe pressure, as this latest statement shows the Cowdenbeath FC. http://www.cowdenbeathfc.com/index.php?act=viewNews&id=1075
Who is culprit, who is the victim?
Perpetrator is definitely Craig Whyte. Are the Rangers because of a pure offering? No, not that. Of course, they have been cheated of ice-cold, but you have to simply put the blame for having it recognized of late. Fact this is common in the majority, not easy, but are still the club must also be his responsibility. Whether the distribution of punishments is so just, anyone interested should decide for themselves.
As for the associations, so it's really just a scandal. An example is as well as the transfer embargo imposed by the SFA year. Also, this penalty was not provided in the statutes. The Rangers were trimmed by the insolvency of the violation of a rule, be held responsible, however careful with a punishment that it was not easy, according to association statutes. But who helps? A protest march of more than 10,000 Rangers fans was the beginning and the end, the Rangers went to an ordinary court. This required only a few minutes to declare the punishment illegal. A cold shower! But now the UEFA came around the corner, it does not like when clubs go against the national associations before the ordinary courts. I wonder why not ...?
It will be built at this point, however, please no false picture. The Rangers, who are sure victims are punished! No ifs or buts! But the hardness and the decision-making and practice is no less reprehensible than what a Craig Whyte has done. Ultimately, it all goes just about money.
The position and power of the Scottish press in this tragedy, we can at this point just once on the sidelines. One must not forget the local reporting that Scotland is a small country and the limited number of reporters have been waiting for some decades to such a case. Quite often came to light a local bigotry that has no equal. A reporter legend like Jim Spence hawked the case of the Rangers, for example, diametrically opposed to his club, the Queen of the South, which suffered a similar fate a few years ago. Be taken of their reports by the BBC, which in turn serves as a respectable Infomartionquelle - - even the BBC Scotland has since taking office Whyte with the club on a war footing and has a lie again and again their independent reporting left behind to be in quality with the Tabloids on an equal footing. Alone any mention of the Rangers in the Scottish press as "Newco Rangers" or "Rangers Newco" shows how to deal with the situation of the association studied.
Conclusion?
It's too early. But it is certain that will end up losing all. The Rangers and the whole of Scottish football. The now even have known it, which saw itself as the big winner. For the fans of Celtic FC is still not quite arrived, but since it is well known, always takes a little longer. Your gloating will probably take the longest and most beautiful to be, but they look almost already the winner of the next 3 to 4 championship. Whether it be still a championship, which will be worth its name is, is, on another matter.
At 13:07:12 it goes into the next round.
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Raith Rovers reveal fans’ support over newco stance
Published on Wednesday 11 July 2012 02:28
Raith Rovers have revealed the club have been inundated with messages of support following the Fifers’ hardline stance towards newco Rangers.
Stark’s Park director Turnbull Hutton has been vociferous in his insistence that the Glasgow outfit should not be allowed to resume life in Division One after they were dumped out of the top flight last week.
He also accused the SFA and SPL of “blackmail” following the financial doomsday scenarios presented by respective chief executive’s Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster if Rangers are demoted to the bottom rung of the SFL.
The uncompromising position adopted by Hutton and Rovers has been hailed by supporters of other clubs, with Aberdeen fans even chipping in to sponsor players at the cash-strapped Kirkcaldy club.
A statement read: “Raith Rovers would like to take the opportunity to thank fans who’ve taken the time to contact us regarding the recent developments within Scottish football.
“Whilst we may not have had time to respond to every message, they are all being read by the directors.
“We’ve also been monitoring Facebook, Twitter and other social media. The response has been overwhelming and unexpected.
“A few Aberdeen fans have grouped together to sponsor players for next season. One group, Aberdeen Fans For Sporting Integrity, are sponsoring Roary Rover and will donate the shirt to a local charity at the end of the season.”
Raith supporters have been equally swift to show their appreciation for the clubs stance, with the amount of money raised by the “Support Rovers” campaign more than doubling in recent days.
With the club more than £1 million in debt, the funds will aid running costs and help pay for the arduous 500-mile round trip to Wick in the Ramsdens Cup later this month.
The statement added: “This account was set up last year and initially the amount was quite modest, but in the last few days the flow of donations has increased.
“On Thursday, the club received a £335 cheque from the account, making a total of £563. Many thanks to all who are contributing and keep up the good work.”
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Don't understand why Dufermline get a vote if Dundee have to abstain.
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Rangers
Clyde want change to SFL resolutions on Rangers' First Division vote
STV 10 July 2012 16:07 BST
Clyde want the Scottish Football League to be clearer on what clubs will be voting on.SNS Group
Clyde want the Scottish Football League to change the wording of the first resolution at Friday's vote on allowing newco Rangers into the league.
STV understands the failure of the SFL to include "Third Division” in the resolution is central to Clyde's concerns, with directors fearing that even if they say no in the second vote, the league will bow to the wishes of the SPL and Scottish FA and include Rangers in the First Division regardless.
Following a board meeting on Monday night, the Cumbernauld side want the wording of the matters being voted on this Friday to be amended, following confusion over who will have the ultimate power to decide which division the Ibrox club would be entered into.
At present, the first resolution to be voted on allows clubs the chance to vote on whether to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an associate member to the league. It fails, however, to state which division Rangers would be entered into.
Resolution two asks for clubs to vote on whether to allow the team to be admitted into the Third Division, but also asks for permission to instead move them to the First Division if a compromise deal can be reached with the SPL and Scottish FA over financial and sporting concessions.
Clyde will ask the SFL to make the matters being voted on this Friday clearer, in order to avoid any confusion and incorrect interpretation going into the ballot.
Gary Ballantyne, Clyde's commercial director, told STV: "The resolutions are fundamentally flawed. What we need is to remove ambiguity and get clarity.
"We have e-mailed all SFL member clubs. I think we will get a number of clubs backing us calling for a change."
Clubs must, by league rules, submit written notice of any proposed amendment not less than 48 hours before the meeting is due to take place.
The club are expected to put out a statement later on Tuesday outlining their position. It is understood every other SFL club will receive correspondence from the Bully Wee outlining their position.
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Rangers
FIFA: 'Sporting merit' should come first in Rangers' First Division vote
By Grant Russell 10 July 2012 14:44 BST
FIFA say they will not intervene in the matter of which league Rangers play in.Christian Hartmann / Reuters
"Sporting merit" should come first when it comes to deciding which league Rangers play in next season, according to FIFA.
The world football governing body say they will not intervene on the matter if Charles Green’s new company gain immediate access to the First Division and bypass two tiers of the Scottish Football League, saying the final decision is for the Scottish FA to make.
FIFA’s Statutes state the “entitlement” of a club to take part in a league should “depend principally on sporting merit” and not depend on other factors, a point which has been emphasised by a spokesman for the organisation.
SFL clubs will vote on Friday whether to forego “sporting merit” in return for financial gain and a change to the league structure, although 13 of the 29 sides eligible to vote have already stated they would oppose such a move.
The Scottish FA’s chief executive, Stewart Regan, has already spoken out over the need for Rangers to be allowed to bypass the bottom two divisions in order to protect the financial future of the game.
He warned of the “slow, lingering death” of football in the nation if the club were not voted in to the second tier with immediate effect.
The Scottish Premier League has warned it stands to lose £15.7m per annum in commercial revenue if clubs decide instead to allow Rangers to enter at Third Division level.
The SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, reportedly told SFL sides last week that a number of clubs in his league stand to go into administration if a deal cannot be struck.
Despite any move to allow Rangers to compete in the First Division being stated publicly by those in power as a necessary financial decision, going against FIFA’s Statutes, the governing body say they will not intervene. They did, however, reiterate their standpoint as outlined in their rule book.
In a statement to STV, they said: “FIFA is not in a position to comment on the matter as this is a domestic issue which falls under the remit of the SFA and should be dealt with in accordance with the laws and regulations applicable on national level.
“However, and generally speaking, we can point you to Art. 9.2 of the Regulations Governing the Application of the FIFA Statutes under ‘Principle of promotion and relegation’.
“[it] states that “in addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participation in a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteria within the scope of licensing procedure, whereby the emphasis is on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financial considerations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examined by the Member [scottish FA]’s body of appeal.”
A spokesperson for FIFA also made clear that "sporting merit" should be the main factor in all cases where it is under consideration which league a club should participate in, regardless of any other circumstances.
The Scottish FA is obliged to abide by FIFA’s Statutes, as per its own Articles of Association, but is devolved the power by FIFA, and at confederation level by UEFA, to run the game nationally.
The Scottish FA were unavailable for comment at the time of publication.
Rangers manager Ally McCoist has stated his desire for the newco to start life in the Third Division, with the Rangers Supporters Trust also expressing the wishes of fans for the team to play in Scottish football's fourth tier.
One SFL chairman has told STV that if the governing body try to go against the decision of the clubs and insist Rangers are installed in the second tier, they would revolt.
Another stated on Tuesday that any talk of creating a breakaway SPL2, which was threatened to clubs if they did not vote Rangers into the First Division, was unrealistic.
FIFA’S STATUTES ON “PRINCIPLE OF PROMOTION AND RELEGATION” IN FULL
A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit. A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.
In addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participation in a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteria within the scope of the licensing procedure, whereby the emphasis is on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financial considerations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence for a domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrity of a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example, changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must be able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
Each Member is responsible for deciding national issues, which may not be delegated to the Leagues. Each Confederation is responsible for deciding issues involving more than one Association concerning its own territory. FIFA is responsible for deciding international issues involving more than one Confederation.
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Translation :
Thank you for your letter. But who the fuck are you. I've heard of Sean Connery, he is brilliant and The Proclaimers "If I could walk 500 miles" is absolutely brilliant. Hibernian but I've never heard of them? JK Rowling is beautiful, we love the little fellow with Harry Potter glasses.
PS How are the Rangers. We wish them luck
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Anyone who quotes The Sun should be ridiculed profusely
As should anyone who admits to reading it!!
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You'll notice just after the start that the commentator mentions the sheep shaggers have brought a small support -nothing has changed in the intervening years then.
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He must not have heard about the desperate plight for 'sporting integrity' just yet
Probably got lost in the translation lol
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.Rainer Bonhof blasts SPL over Rangers vote KO
FORMER Scotland Under-21 manager Rainer Bonhof has taken a swipe at the SPL clubs who would not allow Rangers to remain in the top flight.
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By ALISON McCONNELL
And the former German international has insisted that the decision spells the end for Scottish football.
Newco owner Charles Green had launched an 11th-hour plea to try and keep the Ibrox side in the SPL, but his words fell on deaf ears. It now remains to be seen what comes next.
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"The only certainty is that the whole of Scottish football is in the grip of a crisis that will affect all clubs. To me, deducting points and allowing Rangers to stay in the SPL was the most sensible option," said Bonhof. "This is a decision that could have big consequences for everyone – including the national teams.
"The big pull for players who are not Scottish going to play in the SPL is the Old Firm. I can only see that the league will suffer badly if Rangers are not in it.
"For the good of Scottish football, a sanction should have been worked out that would still have kept them in the SPL.
"Lots of people have asked me about it in the past few months. To many people, it is an incredible story and one that is quite unimaginable.
"Rangers – and Celtic too – are famous throughout the football world. They carry a lot of weight and it is extraordinary that this can happen."
Bonhof believes that the events of the past four months will handicap Scottish football in all shape and form for the forseeable future.
"I think that you need to have a strong Celtic and Rangers," he said. "You want them to be playing in the Champions league or the Europa League because that grooms players for the demands of international football.
"Now you have the prospect that Rangers won't play in Europe for at least three years and they are probably going to play at the lowest level in Scotland.
"It has big repercussions for everyone. Like many teams they spent money that they did not have and now it has all caught up with them.
"They have to be seen to be punished but I don't know how sensible it is for the whole of the country to be penalised."
St Mirren fans forced to dig deep to save club=first to go
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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Get the turkey baster ready .